22:00 #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting 22:00 Meeting started Fri Aug 28 22:00:26 2020 UTC. The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 22:00 22:00 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 22:00 !team | Meeting time! 22:00 Meeting time!: bluesabre, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2 and Unit193 22:00 o/ 22:00 Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings 22:00 Who's here? 22:01 o/ 22:01 hi pleia2 jphilips krytarik :) 22:01 #chair pleia2 krytarik 22:01 Current chairs: bluesabre krytarik pleia2 22:03 hoping knome shows up since he had some ideas for this meeting 22:05 o/ 22:05 #chair ochosi 22:05 Current chairs: bluesabre krytarik ochosi pleia2 22:05 We can go ahead and get started 22:06 #topic Open Action Items 22:06 #done bluesabre to move code hosting and translations to GitHub and Transifex 22:06 #done bluesabre to notify the ML of Xubuntu Council nominations 22:06 Not sure: bluesabre and jphilips to send follow-up vote for desktop changes to the ML 22:06 Not sure: bluesabre to send vote to ML for Xubuntu Telegram bridge 22:06 I think I dropped the ball on those last two 22:07 #topic Updates and Announcements 22:07 Xfce 4.16pre1 is out :) 22:07 \o/ 22:07 Way to go ochosi 22:08 Xubuntu Docs have been getting refreshed weekly, with some updates coming to Transifex soon, feel free to join us! (thanks jphilips for leading the charge here) 22:08 nice 22:08 Feature Freeze was yesterday... we'll come back to this later :D 22:08 :) 22:09 will 4.16pre1 come to the PPA? 22:09 I think... probably 22:10 I have an experimental PPA here, in case you want to experiment: https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/xfce-4.16 22:10 sweet 22:10 It's not fully up-to-date as of this week's updates 22:10 But close 22:11 20.10 won't include any 4.15 components, to be clear 22:11 yeah 22:11 wouldn't have made sense 22:11 too early 22:12 On to the discussion-y bits 22:12 #topic Discussion 22:12 #subtopic Xubuntu Council (bluesabre / knome) 22:12 So, I put out a call for Xubuntu Council nominations a couple weeks ago. 22:12 (i'm happy knome brought up that story, i would have forgotten about it already) 22:12 The ML, as well as my DMs, was silent :D 22:13 now is a bad time for me, as you might "expect" ;D 22:13 :'D 22:13 Definitely :D 22:14 I would like to hear knome's thoughts too, but maybe a time to consider switching back to the XPL model? 22:15 though I'm not sure anyone wants that either ;) 22:15 the question is if the project at this point *needs* an XPL 22:15 yeah 22:15 after all, we all have been around very long (with some exceptions) and "know what we're doing" 22:16 although as knome pointed out correctly, I've mostly moved upstream 22:16 plus all the components that "made xubuntu special" are now on gitlab.xfce 22:16 (in a good way) 22:16 Yay us for upstreaming our skills :D 22:18 Maybe we should table/ML this for now, and knome can possibly appear later in the meeting to continue the discussion? 22:18 i'm wondering - what has the council ever done for us? 22:18 things do tend to chug along with people just doing their thing 22:18 (i'm sad knome isn't here to pick up the "what have the romans ever done for us" monty python ring...) 22:18 Yeah, the Council has been hands-off since the beginning, which is A-OK 22:19 roamin' roman knome'n 22:19 :] 22:22 Alrighty, going to move on to the next thing, and jump around a bit since we have several team folks here. 22:22 #subtopic Team Membership 22:22 Generally speaking, I'd like to expand this... 22:22 And jphilips applied a couple months ago, with little response 22:22 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-May/011972.html 22:23 Since he's been actively contributing and is on some of the subteams: on docs, bugs, social media, website (and probably more), I'd like to get him on the team. 22:23 yeah, sorry about not saying anything 22:24 the work has been really good :) 22:25 Since we don't add people frequently, and I don't think we have the process really defined, what's the next step? 22:26 I think a meeting vote is fine, we have quorum today 22:26 Sounds good to me. 22:26 #vote Add jphilips to xubuntu-team? 22:26 Please vote on: Add jphilips to xubuntu-team? 22:26 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 22:27 +1 22:27 +1 received from pleia2 22:27 +1 22:27 +1 received from bluesabre 22:27 !team 22:27 bluesabre, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2 and Unit193 22:29 well we DID have quorum 22:29 wakey wakey :) 22:30 +1 22:30 +1 received from ochosi 22:31 The 4th vote is always the hardest to pry out of our team :D 22:31 hehe 22:32 Suppose I'll have to nudge people on the ML 22:33 #endvote 22:33 Voting ended on: Add jphilips to xubuntu-team? 22:33 Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 22:33 Motion carried 22:33 Shoulda added voters to that 22:34 #action bluesabre to mail the ML about adding jphilips to team (3/6 voted in favor) 22:34 * meetingology bluesabre to mail the ML about adding jphilips to team (3/6 voted in favor) 22:34 #subtopic Feature Freeze / Feature Requests 22:35 So, Feature Freeze was yesterday 22:35 We noticed as we received the mail :D 22:35 There's a few feature requests floating around 22:35 Enable folder thumbnailing (LP: #1873268) 22:35 Log notifications by default (LP: #1874496) 22:35 Launchpad bug 1873268 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Enable Xfce 4.14 folder thumbnailing" [Wishlist, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1873268 22:35 Launchpad bug 1874496 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "xfce4-notifyd doesn't log notifications by default" [Wishlist, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1874496 22:36 And a whole slew of app suggestions 22:36 well everything in this doc really :D - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hzvQURi8l--GrfqsxP9c0tWNUzrkbZjZTiVxGUegALg/edit# 22:36 the notifyd thing is feasible now 22:36 i added some settings to it so the log doesn't overflow by default anymore 22:36 Nice 22:36 ochosi: whats the minimum release we need for that? 22:36 before that used to be a bit of a problem, users would have had to clean up manually.. 22:36 bluesabre: hmm, lemme check... 22:38 oh dear, it's not yet released 22:38 i wanted to test and merge one final MR 22:38 but then focused on 4.16pre1 22:38 so i guess that's too late for 20.10 22:38 :) 22:39 I've been thinking about how to best test/vote on the changes and additions outlined in https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hzvQURi8l--GrfqsxP9c0tWNUzrkbZjZTiVxGUegALg/edit#heading=h.vc9bmc9pgxg8 22:39 I wonder if we should package up these changes in a PPA or re-spun ISO so they can more easily be taken for a spin 22:40 Is there a good platform (besides maybe a Google form) where we can vote on a pile of different things? 22:41 Or should we just blow up the mailing list with individual proposals 22:41 google forms are very easy ;) 22:42 but people do like chiming in when they really care about something on the mailing list 22:43 google doc was shared with the ML over 6 months ago 22:43 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011876.html 22:44 yeah, it's just a lot to consume at once 22:46 Unit193: welcome 22:47 So yeah, I think sending the proposals individually to the ML will help with the consumption problem 22:47 Lot of work upfront, but hopefully will lead to an actionable response 22:47 Howdy. 22:48 sry folks, i need to get some rest... 22:48 i have a working day ahead tomorrow 22:48 night 22:48 -> 22:48 ochosi: have a great night/weekend! 22:48 thanks, u2 22:49 #action bluesabre/jphilips to send individual proposals to the ML 22:49 * meetingology bluesabre/jphilips to send individual proposals to the ML 22:49 thanks bluesabre 22:50 #topic AOB 22:50 Anything else to discuss today? 22:50 Unit193: would you like to add a vote? :) 22:51 people can give their opinion to these menu changes - https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/issues/6 22:51 I've been informed there's something that was voted on, everyone seems in favor so I guess +1 22:51 Issue 6 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings "Menu Updates" [Open] 22:51 patch is provided 22:51 Oh hey, quorum 22:53 jphilips: with 4/6 in favor, welcome to the team! 22:53 thanks 22:53 :D 22:54 #action bluesabre to add jphilips to the application Launchpad and GitHub groups 22:54 * meetingology bluesabre to add jphilips to the application Launchpad and GitHub groups 22:54 *applicable 22:54 but we :D 22:54 Anything else? 22:54 also opinions on adding a 'Sound' entry to the settings manager - https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/9 22:54 Pull 9 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings "Setting Manager: Add Sound entry to Hardware section" [Open] 22:56 there was the question about including qt5 libs in the default install 22:56 Oh right 22:56 I left a comment about one of the items in Issue 6 (but that should also be part of the mailing list emails that will be sent out) 22:56 Bug 6 in Launchpad itself "'next 10 entries' at bottom of page" [Medium, Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6 22:56 * pleia2 pat pat ubot93 22:56 Some background, qt5-style-plugins: Makes QT apps look like GTK apps in Xubuntu, but brings in some QT dependencies 22:57 Better default support, larger install size 22:58 We don't ship any Qt5 applications, seems rather silly... Also, that's rather deprecated, so wouldn't be the best idea. 22:59 deprecated is good to know 23:00 as part of my recommendations of new apps/packages to add is keepassxc, which does include the same qt5 libs used in qt5-style-plugins 23:01 the full list can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/145vm29WnxgYm4Y_8guaGDAblZT5sRjZ3jhKRktgX1No/edit#gid=0 23:02 this is its github issue - https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/issues/5 23:02 Issue 5 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings "New seed software" [Open] 23:02 That's an instance where we should probably review and comment on the bug report to filter the list down a bit. We can indicate as much in the ML 23:04 So yeah, let's take the software discussions to the ML so we're not swamping everybody with a sudden list of decisions :) 23:04 Anything else to discuss for the meeting? 23:06 Alrighty! 23:06 #topic Schedule Next Meeting 23:07 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/groovy-gorilla-release-schedule/15531 23:07 How about sometime around 9/10? 23:08 #action Team to schedule meeting the week of September 10 23:08 * meetingology Team to schedule meeting the week of September 10 23:08 #endmeeting