== Meeting information == * #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu Community Meeting, 19 May at 21:02 — 22:37 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2020/xubuntu-devel.2020-05-19-21.02.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Open action items === The discussion about "Open action items" started at 21:10. * bluesabre and jphilips to send follow-up email/vote to the list * ''ACTION:'' bluesabre and jphilips to send follow-up vote for desktop changes to the ML === Updates and announcements === The discussion about "Updates and announcements" started at 21:12. * akxwi-dave and slickymaster have been deactivated from the team since they've been inactive for a while. Thanks for all the support you've given us over the years! * jphilips put together a nice release video for 20.04, check it out if you haven't seen it (link below) * ''LINK:'' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a_uVSNnIGY === Discussion === The discussion about "Discussion" started at 21:23. * '''GitHub Proposal''' (21:23) * ''Vote:'' Move code hosting and translations to GitHub and Transifex? (Carried) * ''ACTION:'' bluesabre to move code hosting and translations to GitHub and Transifex * '''Telegram Groups and IRC Bridge''' (21:55) * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.xubuntu.org/proposals/telegram-bridge * ''Vote:'' Connect Telegram with #xubuntu? (Deadlock) * ''ACTION:'' bluesabre to send vote to ML for Xubuntu Telegram bridge * '''Xubuntu Council Nominations for the 22.04 Cycle''' (22:24) * ''ACTION:'' bluesabre to notify the ML of Xubuntu Council nominations === AOB === The discussion about "AOB" started at 22:29. === Schedule next meeting === The discussion about "Schedule next meeting" started at 22:37. * ''ACTION:'' knome to schedule next meeting == Vote results == * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2020/xubuntu-devel.2020-05-19-21.02.log.html#120 Move code hosting and translations to GitHub and Transifex?]] * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 4/0/0) * Voters Unit193, pleia2, bluesabre, ochosi * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2020/xubuntu-devel.2020-05-19-21.02.log.html#226 Connect Telegram with #xubuntu?]] * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 2/2/0) * Voters Unit193, pleia2, bluesabre, ochosi == Action items, by person == * bluesabre * bluesabre and jphilips to send follow-up vote for desktop changes to the ML * bluesabre to move code hosting and translations to GitHub and Transifex * bluesabre to send vote to ML for Xubuntu Telegram bridge * bluesabre to notify the ML of Xubuntu Council nominations * jphilips * bluesabre and jphilips to send follow-up vote for desktop changes to the ML * knome * knome to schedule next meeting == Done items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * bluesabre (122) * pleia2 (49) * jphilips (39) * meetingology (31) * Unit193 (29) * ochosi (28) * ubottu (1) * knome (0) * krytarik (0) == Full Log == 21:02 #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting 21:02 Meeting started Tue May 19 21:02:32 2020 UTC. The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 21:02 21:02 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 21:02 !team | Meeting time! 21:02 Meeting time!: bluesabre, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2 and Unit193 21:02 o/ 21:02 #chair pleia2 21:02 Current chairs: bluesabre pleia2 21:03 :) 21:03 Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings 21:04 We'll wait a short few for everybody to show up. (and for me to close a bunch of tabs) 21:05 pleia2: glad to hear you're getting there and that you enjoyed the release video. it got featured on OMG Ubuntu :D 21:05 yes, I saw! 21:07 stumbled on your episode on linux spotlight, which i hope to watch soon 21:08 Noticed the meeting minutes weren't added from the last meeting, so adding those right quick 21:08 I wish I had done it from my home office in california, I was sitting in my kitchen in pennsylvania and the backdrop is boring :) 21:09 jphilips: just now finally got to reviewing the video text for what is Xubuntu 21:10 pleia2: thanks 21:10 Last meeting minutes added, so let's go ahead and start the meeting :) 21:10 thanks, bluesabre! 21:10 #topic Open action items 21:11 #info bluesabre and jphilips to send follow-up email/vote to the list 21:11 That was in regard to the desktop changes. Now that 20.10 has started, I say lets get that vote out this week (along with the other votes we're going to have) 21:12 #action bluesabre and jphilips to send follow-up vote for desktop changes to the ML 21:12 * meetingology bluesabre and jphilips to send follow-up vote for desktop changes to the ML 21:12 #topic Updates and announcements 21:13 curious how to have people vote on every item suggested in the google doc? 21:13 #info akxwi-dave and slickymaster have been deactivated from the team since they've been inactive for a while. Thanks for all the support you've given us over the years! 21:14 jphilips: we'll need to consolidate some of those suggestions. I think we discussed how we were going to combine them in this meeting: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2020/xubuntu-devel.2020-03-19-21.00.moin.txt 21:15 #info jphilips put together a nice release video for 20.04, check it out if you haven't seen it (link below) 21:15 #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a_uVSNnIGY 21:16 it's so good! 21:16 Any other updates or announcements? 21:16 do we want to mention about the work going on with the documentation? 21:17 Definitely 21:17 okay 21:17 Maybe get some more contributors in the process :) 21:18 every week we are going through a single page of the documentation in google docs 21:18 announcing the editing of the google doc on social media and in the ML 21:18 we had a new contributor today for this week's 'What is Xubuntu?' page 21:19 Oh nice 21:19 great :) 21:19 we have weekly meetings on Saturday at 3pm UTC for the finalization of the edits make on the google doc worked on each week 21:19 the weekly meeting happens on Zoom 21:20 its in audio 21:21 i think that's it for documentation 21:22 Cool, thanks :) 21:22 pleia2: anything else to add for U&A? 21:22 I don't think so 21:22 Alrighty 21:23 On to the next section :) 21:23 #topic Discussion 21:23 #subtopic GitHub Proposal 21:23 I've been working on this one for a bit. 21:23 Here's the proposal: https://wiki.xubuntu.org/proposals/github 21:24 A demo Xubuntu-Team organization so we can see it in practice: https://github.com/Xubuntu-Team 21:24 does this cause any problems with iso building or any of the stuff Canonical does for us? (didn't see it in the Cons) 21:25 It shouldn't affect anything of that nature. 21:25 I also spoke with Wimpress of Ubuntu Mate (and Desktop) and he says everything works well for them there. 21:26 philosophically I'm sad to see us move from an open source platform for development and translations to proprietary ones (both github and transifex) but I do understand the practical considerations 21:26 it's probably worth moving just so it's easier on new developers we always need 21:26 The one codebase we'd keep hosted on Launchpad is the seed, since AAs contribute directly to it. 21:26 gotcha 21:27 I'd imagine the seed has to remain on launchpad though. I think turning off 'issues' on Github and leaving those on Launchpad (package bugs) makes sense though, since it's linked and more findable. 21:27 Yeah, and that's definitely an option. 21:27 Unit193: good point re: bugs 21:28 Also: `ubuntu-bug` will work. :P 21:28 :) 21:28 yeah, and all the related testing documentation 21:29 hi all 21:29 weird, i didn't see the ping for the meeting 21:29 sry to be late 21:30 hey ochosi, glad you could make it 21:31 Disabled issues and added a note on the readme @ https://github.com/Xubuntu-Team/xubuntu-default-settings/blob/master/README.md for that example 21:31 would moving to gitlab rather than github make it more acceptable to contributors who oppose github? 21:31 Easier to see at https://github.com/Xubuntu-Team/xubuntu-default-settings 21:31 bluesabre: So if it's code and translations only, yeah that makes sense I guess. I'm not exactly keen on it either, but it is what it is. 21:33 jphilips: I think Gitlab keeps the benefit of the more advanced platform, but loses out on the wider userbase. It also creates an issue of where and how to host. 21:33 Whereas Ubuntu, derivatives, and other projects are already on GitHub. 21:33 I think he means gitlab.com. 21:34 i remember ubuntu mate used to host on gitlab.com and then moved to github.com 21:34 bluesabre: gitlab.xfce.org! :> 21:34 haha 21:34 well we're still working on gitlab.xfce ;) 21:34 i would also go for github 21:34 because of the rest of *buntu also being there 21:35 oh okay. i prefer it as well. 21:35 :) 21:36 how does ubuntu handle LP bugs vs. GH issues? 21:36 plus do we still run package builds through LP? 21:36 We'd keep package builds running with mirrored LP repos 21:37 As for the bugs, we're considering now: disable GH issues, and point visitors to report issues for the packages on Ubuntu. Not sure if that interferes with merge requests. 21:38 Otherwise, LP has upstream bug linking options, like we currently do for Xfce bugs 21:38 depends on whether you want to be able to automatically close issues with MRs 21:39 Even now, our bugs are only closed by package uploads (or somebody reviewing them later after upload) 21:39 Which to me, makes more sense. 21:40 sure 21:40 what i meant: i wouldnt expect many troubles with MRs and issues 21:40 I think LP has support for watching for fix committed, but think that only works with bzr. :P 21:40 but the whole mix may end up being a little confusing 21:40 because the code will be mirrored on LP 21:40 but then again, i don#t remember people flocking into LP to contribute... 21:41 (in the last years at least, in the early years yes) 21:41 mirroring of git repos is pretty common practice across open source these days 21:41 Yeah, I get lots of pastes and random emails with patches. 21:41 usually it's the other way around (so it's discoverable on github, but you contribute elsewhere), but it's still a thing 21:43 ubuntu mate has a page showing where to file bugs and patches for different parts of the development - https://ubuntu-mate.org/get-involved/development/ 21:44 if I'm honest, launchpad is already so confusing to navigate, we don't lose much by having people do different things in different places :\ 21:44 jphilips: that's a pretty cool resource 21:45 yep there new website is quite nicely organized 21:45 their* 21:46 With all the xubuntu things being fairly easy to find from the GH homepage, it might actually make things easier https://github.com/Xubuntu-Team :D 21:46 indeed :) 21:46 yup 21:46 So yeah, any other concerns or talking points? Should we open up team voting here and resume it in the ML, or just do all in the ML? 21:47 Or should we just roll with it? 21:48 Moving all code hosting seems like something we might want to vote on. :> 21:48 Figured as much :D 21:49 #vote Move code hosting and translations to GitHub and Transifex? 21:49 Please vote on: Move code hosting and translations to GitHub and Transifex? 21:49 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 21:49 #chair ochosi 21:49 Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi pleia2 21:49 #chair Unit193 21:49 Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi pleia2 21:50 #voters Unit193 bluesabre ochosi pleia2 21:50 Current voters: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi pleia2 21:50 #voters knome krytarik 21:50 Current voters: Unit193 bluesabre knome krytarik ochosi pleia2 21:50 +1 21:50 +1 received from bluesabre 21:51 +1 21:51 +1 received from pleia2 21:51 +1 21:51 +1 received from Unit193 21:52 ochosi knome krytarik? 21:53 +1 21:53 +1 received from ochosi 21:53 Neat, 4/6 21:54 #endvote 21:54 Voting ended on: Move code hosting and translations to GitHub and Transifex? 21:54 Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 21:54 Motion carried 21:54 #action bluesabre to move code hosting and translations to GitHub and Transifex 21:54 * meetingology bluesabre to move code hosting and translations to GitHub and Transifex 21:55 Thanks for voting! 21:55 #subtopic Telegram Groups and IRC Bridge 21:55 Now, does everyone have an account? I know krytarik doesn't. 21:55 That's fun 21:55 i have an account 21:56 RE: Github, we'll still be able to accept MRs from remote repos 21:56 #link https://wiki.xubuntu.org/proposals/telegram-bridge 21:56 jphilips: want to lead on this? 21:57 not sure how to :D 21:57 can answer any questions people have after they've read the proposal 21:58 There's a in-testing Telegram bridge at https://t.me/XubuntuSupport and #xubuntu-support (I think that's right) 21:58 but the basic idea is to create telegram groups for xubuntu and xubuntu-devel and bridge them to the irc channels to make it easier for people to get involved and get help 21:59 yes we've setup a group for support and bridged it with #xubuntu-support while we await approval 21:59 While I'm fully against the idea, I understand the reasoning, but I don't see the point in linking the support medium. 21:59 aaditya is the one who has setup the bridge 21:59 Reasining for development* 22:00 i don't have a big opinion on this 22:00 i'm not active in the support channel for a while already, not enough time 22:00 and for development i read the backlog when i have time 22:00 on my phone i also read stuff when i *don't* have time 22:00 I #kubuntu, I see spam all the time come across, and general frustration among some of the common folks that help out. 22:02 Is it general spam, or is it just less-than-ideal visitors? 22:02 can't say that surprises me 22:03 I'm still pretty new to Telegram, but I have seen more open source projects seeming to embrace it recently. 22:03 who has access to bringing the bridge back up if it goes down? 22:04 bluesabre: Spam, it's getting to the point that when you see a female name join, you wonder if it's another drive-by. :/ 22:04 Ouch. 22:04 Unit193: yikes :( 22:04 pleia2: once its on xubuntu infra, bluesabre would have it 22:04 Once I have access to the infra 22:04 on dev.xubuntu.org or...? 22:04 I'd be willing to support if we went forward with the proposal. 22:04 ok, thanks bluesabre 22:05 unlike IRC, its easy to ban someone from the telegram group, unless they create another account with a new cell number 22:05 I'm wondering if we could do a trial, and if it doesn't work just split them off to entirely separate resources 22:05 Haven't done server-side stuff for Xubuntu to this point, but that's what I spend a lot of my time on in my IRL job 22:06 doesn't work == spam, unreliability, anything else that annoys people 22:07 I *really* don't like that it basically would change #xubuntu-offtopic into a logged channel. :/ 22:07 That seems like a reasonable way to go about it. If the bridges turn out to be bad, the Telegram support group could just be a separate supported. 22:07 I don't think we'd do it for offtopic 22:08 Unit193: oh, this is only considering #xubuntu and #xubuntu-devel 22:08 bluesabre: Aha! Thanks! 22:08 does anyone here have OP for #xubuntu, so we can do the trial? 22:09 jphilips: where is the current bridge currently hosted? Would we need to move infra first? 22:10 aaditya is hosting it now on his private server 22:10 Who is aaditya? 22:10 the sysadmin who volunteered to assist in setting up the bridge 22:10 ...Yes thanks I got that part... 22:10 hehe 22:10 lol 22:11 jphilips: aaditya is ok with us going "into production" with it still on his server, right? 22:12 aside from that, I suspect it's up to us whether we want to move it now or later 22:13 yes 22:15 so, do we want to move it first? :) 22:15 I'd be more comfortable that way, but it's signing up bluesabre for work :D 22:15 I'll be deep in Github for the next week 22:16 aaditya could do it to ease the burden 22:16 he's been a very helpful volunteer, but it probably requires giving root on our development server, and I'm not willing to do that :\ 22:16 we know bluesabre, but we don't know aaditya yet 22:16 But if we're fine with waiting a week, I'd happily help get it set up after that. 22:17 okay 22:17 seems fine to me 22:18 pleia2: do I need to talk to somebody in Canonical to get server access, or do you handle that within our team? 22:18 that's me 22:18 Neato. 22:18 I just need a public ssh key and preferred username 22:18 Cool, I'll send those your way. 22:19 great 22:19 Once I finish the Github migration, we'll do the bridge. :) 22:19 oh, you already have an account 22:19 Unit193: And you're the one to talk to about OP on #xubuntu, I take it? 22:19 pleia2: oh 22:19 hah 22:19 so just lmk if you can't log in and we can update your key ;) 22:19 Would this be another thing we vote on? 22:20 Unit193: oh, probably 22:20 Yeah, that seems fair. 22:20 :D 22:20 presume OP isn't necessary, was only needed for a trial I was thinking about doing were the telegram bot would muted from the IRC side 22:20 #vote Connect Telegram with #xubuntu? 22:20 Please vote on: Connect Telegram with #xubuntu? 22:20 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 22:21 +1 22:21 +1 received from pleia2 22:21 -1 22:21 -1 received from Unit193 22:21 +1 22:21 +1 received from bluesabre 22:21 ochosi knome krytarik? 22:22 (this one will probably head to ML) 22:22 hm 22:22 -1 22:22 -1 received from ochosi 22:23 Alrighty, ML it is for this one :) 22:23 #endvote 22:23 Voting ended on: Connect Telegram with #xubuntu? 22:23 Votes for:2 Votes against:2 Abstentions:0 22:23 Deadlock, casting vote may be used 22:23 #action bluesabre to send vote to ML for Xubuntu Telegram bridge 22:23 * meetingology bluesabre to send vote to ML for Xubuntu Telegram bridge 22:24 #subtopic Xubuntu Council Nominations for the 22.04 Cycle 22:24 20.04 was great, and now its time for a 22.04 council 22:25 I don't remember what we did last time, tbh 22:25 So I'm gonna have to dig :D 22:25 [18:27:30] < Unit193> If we want to be lazy and use a template: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2018-April/011644.html 22:25 I love not digging 22:25 :D 22:26 So, you, Simon and Lyz this time? :> 22:26 lol 22:26 I'll do lots of begging 22:27 So yeah, I'll fire that announcement off to the ML too 22:27 i'm more than likely to stick around, just not sure how actively 22:27 #action bluesabre to notify the ML of Xubuntu Council nominations 22:27 * meetingology bluesabre to notify the ML of Xubuntu Council nominations 22:27 as you've noticed i've drifted more and more towards the various upstreams (be it shimmer or xfce) 22:28 as for me, being a new parent is hard 22:28 I'm just lazy most days 22:28 hehe 22:29 Let's get this wrapped up soon so everybody can have a nice evening :) 22:29 #topic AOB 22:29 We might need more ML list moderators. 22:29 Anybody, anything to discuss? 22:29 Yeah 22:29 I should do a better job of it 22:29 (or some job of it) 22:30 I do spam, but there's other stuff there now too. :P 22:30 I had another thing, but I can't remember. 22:31 oh yeah, I haven't been tending to the queue at all :\ 22:31 sometimes I look and let month+ old things through 22:31 "oops" 22:31 so if anyone wants to help with moderation, do let us know :) 22:31 "Those darn ubuntu mail servers, they hold email forever" 22:31 for -devel mostly it's letting legit things through and replying to support requests redirecting them to support 22:32 :) 22:33 Anything else? 22:33 (I smell dinner) 22:33 do we want to consider opening a forum or discourse for support? 22:33 Still can't remember it, so guess not. 22:33 ubuntuforums.org 22:34 ^ seems like the way to go 22:34 Pretty sure they have a flavors section already, so we're set. 22:34 Nifty. 22:34 yes a section for all flavors 22:34 each flavor has their own forum or discourse 22:35 Seems covered then. 22:35 maybe what i said wasn't clear enough. none of the flavors use ubuntuforums.org 22:36 I think we have an adequate number of support options for now in askubuntu, irc, xfce forums, and non-specialized ubuntu forums 22:37 okay 22:37 Wrapping up :) 22:37 #topic Schedule next meeting 22:37 #action knome to schedule next meeting 22:37 * meetingology knome to schedule next meeting 22:37 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)