== Meeting information ==
 * #xubuntu-devel Meeting, 04 Jun at 22:00 — 22:47 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2018/xubuntu-devel.2018-06-04-22.00.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== Open action items ===
The discussion about "Open action items" started at 22:01.

  * ''DONE:'' knome to send another call for council membership nominations
  * ''DONE:'' knome to set up the umbrella blueprint for CC
  * ''DONE:'' knome to deal with dev.x.o for CC

=== Updates and Announcements ===
The discussion about "Updates and Announcements" started at 22:02.

  * Release Schedule for Cosmic not set up
  * New Council set up
  * Thanks to the 2 outgoing council chappies knome and ochosi
  * xubuntu code branches moved to git (more on this later)

=== Discussion ===
The discussion about "Discussion" started at 22:05.

 * '''Blueprints''' (22:06)
 * '''Git''' (22:26)
  * We've moved all of our branches (except test cases) to git!
  * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.xubuntu.org/devel/git for more information
 * '''Core''' (22:32)
  * ''LINK:'' https://code.launchpad.net/debian-cd last modified 2013-05-06
  * ''LINK:'' https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu/files ?
  * ''ACTION:'' bluesabre to continue getting Xubuntu Core patches merged

=== AOB ===
The discussion about "AOB" started at 22:41.

  * Checking of package testcases is well in hand - thanks to willem

=== Schedule next meeting ===
The discussion about "Schedule next meeting" started at 22:47.

  * ''ACTION:'' slickymaster to set next meeting



== Vote results ==




== Action items, by person ==

 * bluesabre
  * bluesabre to continue getting Xubuntu Core patches merged



== Done items ==

 * knome to send another call for council membership nominations
 * knome to set up the umbrella blueprint for CC
 * knome to deal with dev.x.o for CC



== People present (lines said) ==

 * flocculant (81)
 * bluesabre (52)
 * ochosi (38)
 * Unit193 (13)
 * meetingology (6)
 * knome (3)
 * Spass (1)
 * ubottu (1)
 * albinard (1)



== Full Log ==


 22:00 <flocculant> #startmeeting

 22:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jun  4 22:00:10 2018 UTC.  The chair is flocculant. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 22:00 <meetingology> 

 22:00 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 22:00 <flocculant> #chair bluesabre Unit193

 22:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre flocculant

 22:00 <bluesabre> evening all

 22:00 <flocculant> who's here tonight then :)

 22:00 <knome> o/

 22:01 <albinard> one interloper - me

 22:01 <Spass> \o

 22:01 <flocculant> anyway lets get going and wait for Unit193 to say he's here :p

 22:01 <flocculant> #topic Open action items

 22:01 <flocculant> looks like all are done

 22:01 <flocculant> #done knome to send another call for council membership nominations

 22:01 <flocculant> #done knome to set up the umbrella blueprint for CC

 22:01 <flocculant> #done knome to deal with dev.x.o for CC

 22:02 <bluesabre> nice

 22:02 <flocculant> #topic Updates and Announcements

 22:02 <flocculant> yup

 22:02 <flocculant> :)

 22:02 <flocculant> #info Release Schedule for Cosmic not set up

 22:02 <flocculant> should do council I suppose

 22:02 <flocculant> #info New Council set up

 22:03 <ochosi> evening all

 22:03 <flocculant> #info Thanks to the 2 outgoing council chappies knome and ochosi

 22:03 <flocculant> hi ochosi :)

 22:03 <flocculant> anyone else have anything for this?

 22:03 <knome> you're all welcome and congrats again for the new council :)

 22:03 <ochosi> +1

 22:04 <bluesabre> #info xubuntu code branches moved to git (more on this later)

 22:04 <bluesabre> (no more updates from me, I think)

 22:04 <flocculant> :)

 22:05 <flocculant> #topic Discussion

 22:05 <flocculant> then :)

 22:06 <flocculant> #subtopic Blueprints

 22:06 <flocculant> can team leads get their blueprints up together so we've got an idea what to expect

 22:06 <bluesabre> Umbrella blueprint available at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-c-roadmap

 22:06 <flocculant> not that any but the dev one changes much from cycle to cycle :D

 22:07 <flocculant> I know my one doesn't ...

 22:07 <bluesabre> time to break something

 22:07 <flocculant> :)

 22:07 <ochosi> already updated the artwork stuff, but tbh it's mostly maintenance at this point

 22:07 <flocculant> ack

 22:07 <ochosi> unless someone wants to step up in that area, it's going to stay at this level

 22:07 <bluesabre> ochosi is waiting for gtk4

 22:08 <flocculant> I had a question about arty stuff - but bluesabre answered that

 22:08 <flocculant> ha ha

 22:08 <ochosi> you mean as in "waiting for gtk4 to finally give up artwork completely"?

 22:08 <ochosi> :)

 22:08 <bluesabre> lol

 22:08 <flocculant> lol

 22:08 <bluesabre> for the visitors, blueprint progress can be tracked at https://dev.xubuntu.org/

 22:09 <ochosi> the dev blueprint looks good to me

 22:09 <ochosi> quite a bit of interesting stuff there too

 22:09 <flocculant> yea - to me as well

 22:10 <ochosi> wondering whether we should at some point drop certain work items from the blueprint, as we have dragged them with us for at least 1 LTS cycle

 22:10 <bluesabre> might add some more stuff to it soon after I experiment a bit

 22:10 <ochosi> (e.g. parole)

 22:10 <bluesabre> ochosi: I wouldn't be opposed to dropping that

 22:10 <ochosi> then let's just do that

 22:10 <bluesabre> not going to be learning polkit unless I have to

 22:10 <ochosi> we can still keep it as a bugreport in bugzilla

 22:11 <ochosi> polkit or packagekit?

 22:11 <bluesabre> er, packagekit

 22:11 <bluesabre> p*kit

 22:11 <ochosi> (dropped it)

 22:11 <bluesabre> thanks

 22:11 <Unit193> > elementary-xfce: Split packaging for distribution improvements   This is in progress.

 22:11 <ochosi> the pidgin stuff i also have an unrealistic feeling about

 22:12 <ochosi> Unit193: marked as such now

 22:12 <ochosi> bluesabre: originally you signed up for patching pidgin, do you still feel you wanna do that?

 22:12 <Unit193> It's basically done, just have to update some copyright crap and resubmit..

 22:12 <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, still might poke it

 22:12 <ochosi> personally i'd love to get it done, but i know *i* won't have the energy

 22:12 <ochosi> too much xfce stuff that needs attention

 22:12 <bluesabre> trying to do a lot early in the cycle so I have more energy to do investigative patchy stuff

 22:13 <ochosi> (at least one less thunar plugin now that blocks shipping 1.7)

 22:13 <bluesabre> nice

 22:14 <ochosi> Unit193, bluesabre: have your feelings wrt xfconf changed? do you still wanna go forward with it this cycle?

 22:14 <Unit193> We'll see.

 22:14 <ochosi> i'd rather get rid of the maybes as soon as possible so i know what to focus on upstream

 22:14 <ochosi> that's my background

 22:14 <Unit193> Not at this current stage, but things might start looking better.

 22:15 <ochosi> what's the current stage?

 22:15 <ochosi> what would have to change for things to look better?

 22:17 <flocculant> no-one knows :p

 22:18 <ochosi> seemingly...

 22:18 <ochosi> Unit193?

 22:19 <Unit193> Oh, hi.  Yes, not everything is ready yet.  Don't remember if it goes further than thunar plugins not being ported yet.  Might be just that.  I'll look soon.

 22:19 <ochosi> i meant wrt xfconf specifically

 22:20 <ochosi> the thunar stuff is sorta in progress i'd say, and do-able mostly

 22:20 <flocculant> most of this 4.13 stuff is all in ppa's currently is it not?

 22:20 <flocculant> if not all

 22:20 <ochosi> not sure tbh

 22:20 <ochosi> the panel didn't use to be

 22:20 <Unit193> Not quite everything, no.

 22:20 <Unit193> flocculant: Daily builds will start spitting out for Cosmic.

 22:21 <ochosi> would definitely be helpful to get everything PPA'd so ppl can start taking things for a spin

 22:21 <bluesabre> +1

 22:21 <Unit193> I'll see what I'm missing once I get Cosmic up for floc.

 22:22 <flocculant> ok - well currently obviously set to bionic here - if I can be told when the ppa actually gets cosmic I can see what I find here

 22:22 <flocculant> ack

 22:22 <bluesabre> yay coordination :D

 22:22 <flocculant> that'll at least see a start to it

 22:23 <Unit193> I said I would when he asked, I was just in Indiana at the time.  Anyway, anything else here?

 22:23 <Unit193> Also, xfce4-settings needs to be fixed first.

 22:23 <flocculant> not from me on bp's or this

 22:23 <bluesabre> yeah, remind me what needs done there

 22:23 <Unit193> (Xfce 14381)

 22:23 <ubottu> bugzilla.xfce.org bug 14381 in Xfsettingsd "xfsettingsd --replace does not replace old daemon" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14381

 22:23 <bluesabre> perfect

 22:24 <ochosi> i wonder if this is fixed by the gdbus transition in git master

 22:24 <bluesabre> will get that on my list for this week

 22:25 <bluesabre> so I'm no longer a blocker

 22:25 <flocculant> anything else?

 22:25 <bluesabre> nothing more bp-related from me

 22:26 <flocculant> #subtopic Git

 22:26 <flocculant> what an awesome subtopic for this old git :D

 22:26 <bluesabre> :D

 22:26 <flocculant> so bluesabre :)

 22:27 <bluesabre> #info We've moved all of our branches (except test cases) to git!

 22:27 <bluesabre> #link https://wiki.xubuntu.org/devel/git for more information

 22:27 <bluesabre> We'll be working on writing some quality documentation so nobody is left in the dark

 22:27 <flocculant> :p

 22:28 <ochosi> bluesabre: actually what's there is a good start

 22:28 <flocculant> just for those not reading bp subscription mails :

 22:28 <ochosi> not sure you really wanna go into the details of how git works

 22:28 <ochosi> that'll soon start to be a copy-paste job from the git book

 22:28 <Unit193> ochosi: Perhaps a "git for bzr users" can either be written or linked.

 22:28 <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, don't want to do too much, don't want to do too little

 22:29 <flocculant> threw me completely

 22:29 <ochosi> yeah, sounds like a valid link

 22:29 * flocculant has enough trouble as it is

 22:30 <bluesabre> but yeah, if any git users want to drop by and write up some nice docs, feel free to

 22:31 <flocculant> it was the fails that completely did for me tbh

 22:31 <flocculant> if it had just worked I would likely have not had a paddy :p

 22:31 <bluesabre> :D

 22:31 <flocculant> anyway - anything else we need to say on this?

 22:32 <bluesabre> Hopefully we can smooth out the issues over this cycle so there's no more paddies

 22:32 <flocculant> other than thanks for doing it :)

 22:32 <flocculant> ha ha

 22:32 <bluesabre> flocculant: nothing more so far

 22:32 * flocculant grabs the rocket boots then

 22:32 <flocculant> #subtopic Core

 22:32 <flocculant> so

 22:32 <bluesabre> so

 22:32 <flocculant> this one

 22:32 <flocculant> again :p

 22:32 <bluesabre> This one might be a bit delayed

 22:32 <bluesabre> I refreshed all the patches

 22:32 <flocculant> I see we've got the files updated?

 22:33 <bluesabre> and seemingly years of history are now missing from lp:debian-cd

 22:33 <flocculant> oh right

 22:33 <bluesabre> https://code.launchpad.net/debian-cd last modified 2013-05-06

 22:33 <bluesabre> (wasn't like that before)

 22:34 <flocculant> well I guess that's not good then

 22:34 <bluesabre> no, probably not

 22:34 <bluesabre> need to ask around about that

 22:34 <bluesabre> But, the short of it is, patches are up-to-date, merges have been requested

 22:34 <flocculant> ok

 22:34 <bluesabre> and I'll be harrassing the ubuntu teams to get it in this cycle

 22:35 <flocculant> so generally what's our next step - get -release involved again?

 22:35 <Unit193> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu/files ?

 22:35 <flocculant> should look up when typing ...

 22:36 <flocculant> bluesabre: obviously there the sooner the better to get it testing

 22:36 <bluesabre> Unit193: seems like they moved trunk

 22:36 <bluesabre> breaking https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/debian-cd/xubuntu-base/+merge/347318 :D

 22:37 <bluesabre> flocculant: definitely

 22:38 <bluesabre> but yeah, progress on core is being made

 22:38 <flocculant> cool

 22:38 <flocculant> so at the moment - kind of up in the air till we find out some 'stuff' ?

 22:39 <bluesabre> yeah, will probably grab slangasek once I get the merge request sorted

 22:39 <flocculant> k - do you want to action you there?

 22:40 <bluesabre> #action bluesabre to continue getting Xubuntu Core patches merged

 22:40 * meetingology bluesabre to continue getting Xubuntu Core patches merged

 22:40 <flocculant> cos I'm too tired to word it sensibly

 22:40 <flocculant> there were 2 other items - but I tabled them as 1 we sort of discussed in bp's and the other depends on that :)

 22:41 <flocculant> #topic AOB

 22:41 <flocculant> anyone got anything they want to bring up?

 22:42 <bluesabre> Don't think I do

 22:42 <flocculant> oh

 22:42 <flocculant> I'll just mention this

 22:43 <flocculant> #info Checking of package testcases is well in hand - thanks to willem

 22:43 <flocculant> plan to get that moving this cycle some

 22:43 <bluesabre> awesome

 22:44 <flocculant> currently he's stuck on orage trying to work it out even though he never uses it - and it was written by someone who never uses it :p

 22:44 <flocculant> anyway - nothing else from me

 22:45 <flocculant> so if no-one else has anything ...

 22:45 * flocculant waits a short while to cool the boots a bit

 22:46 <ochosi> nothing else from me

 22:46 <knome> nope

 22:47 <flocculant> #topic Schedule next meeting

 22:47 <flocculant> #action slickymaster to set next meeting

 22:47 * meetingology slickymaster to set next meeting

 22:47 <flocculant> #endmeeting



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