== Meeting information == * #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu Community Meeting, 05 Apr at 22:02 — 22:56 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2018/xubuntu-devel.2018-04-05-22.02.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Open action items === The discussion about "Open action items" started at 22:04. === Updates and Announcements === The discussion about "Updates and Announcements" started at 22:13. * '''Wallpaper contest results''' (22:13) * We have 6 winning wallpapers from 6 different contestants! * We're still working with the contestants, but at least 5 of the winning submissions will be included in 4k resolution (woot!) * Blog will be updated soon with winners' names and winning submissions :) * A huge thank you everybody for submitting! We had a total of 162 submissions compared to less than 100 last time. We have an awesome (and I hope a growing) community! * '''Release Schedule''' (22:22) * Bionic Final Beta should be landing soon, today/tomorrow * Translations are due next week * Final Freeze is the 23rd * Final Release is the 26th * Release Candidate on the 19th === Discussion === The discussion about "Discussion" started at 22:31. * '''Icon changes after UIF (ochosi)''' (22:31) * ''LINK:'' http://i.imgur.com/ppHvVhK.png * ''ACTION:'' bluesabre will push beaaf3f6f47fb1e80fb7821fe69b3513a707cfbe and 28120d05e011ec89412d33d7dc5897d7f6bcf8ee from elementary-xfce to xubuntu-artwork as bugfix * ''ACTION:'' ochosi and ali1234 will try to script the gradient swap-out for most icons that need updating * ''ACTION:'' ochosi will manually update whatever icons are left over from the script approach * ''ACTION:'' knome will file the UIFe paperwork once the branch is ready * ''ACTION:'' bluesabre will again be doing the uploading honours === Discussion === The discussion about "Discussion" started at 22:51. * '''18.04 Community Wallpaper Contest Winners''' (22:51) * ''LINK:'' https://xubuntu.org/news/18-04-community-wallpaper-contest-winners/ === Schedule next meeting === The discussion about "Schedule next meeting" started at 22:55. * ''ACTION:'' Unit193 to schedule the next meeting == Vote results == == Action items, by person == * ali1234 * ochosi and ali1234 will try to script the gradient swap-out for most icons that need updating * bluesabre * bluesabre will push beaaf3f6f47fb1e80fb7821fe69b3513a707cfbe and 28120d05e011ec89412d33d7dc5897d7f6bcf8ee from elementary-xfce to xubuntu-artwork as bugfix * bluesabre will again be doing the uploading honours * knome * knome will file the UIFe paperwork once the branch is ready * ochosi * ochosi and ali1234 will try to script the gradient swap-out for most icons that need updating * ochosi will manually update whatever icons are left over from the script approach * Unit193 * Unit193 to schedule the next meeting == Done items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * ochosi (131) * knome (82) * bluesabre (57) * jd109 (28) * pleia2 (14) * meetingology (12) * Unit193 (5) * knome_web (4) * ali1234 (4) == Full Log == 22:02 #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting 22:02 Meeting started Thu Apr 5 22:02:39 2018 UTC. The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 22:02 22:02 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 22:02 hullo 22:02 hiiii 22:02 hello 22:03 #chair ochosi knome bluesabre 22:03 Current chairs: bluesabre knome ochosi 22:03 hi everyone :) 22:03 * bluesabre is wired in at a coffee shop 22:03 hi ochosi 22:03 noice 22:03 enjoy that coffee! 22:03 bluesabre, a coffee IV? 22:04 Something like that 22:04 #topic Open action items 22:04 are there any..? 22:04 (there aren't on the agenda, but then again) 22:04 not from meetings 22:04 some coordination regarding social-media-ing of final beta testing..? 22:04 but i presume that has been done 22:05 i noticed at least on the things i use 22:05 it's past that time, yes 22:05 and this has been a fairly awesome cycle wrt new testers anyway 22:05 i'm pretty sure pleia2 worked hard to get it done because this time i didn't do anything :) 22:05 hehe 22:05 well done pleia2 22:05 :) 22:05 not that i do anything else than twitter anyway... :P 22:06 and thanks to flocculant for reminding me to do the things ;) 22:06 good teamwork then (knome doing nothing, flocculant doing the reminding and pleia2 doing all the work) 22:06 lol 22:06 lol 22:06 well i didn't step on anybody's toes or tell them they did it wrong...! 22:06 anyway, if there are no open action items i'll move along 22:07 ack from me 22:07 carry on 22:07 #topic Updates and Announcements 22:07 btw, i forgot... 22:07 #undo 22:07 Removing item from minutes: TOPIC 22:07 there you go ;) 22:07 who's all here? 22:08 jd109: wanna introduce yourself? 22:08 or any other new faces? 22:08 Hi 22:08 what to say 22:08 (those who haven't typed anything, just make any noise now) 22:08 How is everyone doing 22:08 I am one of the wallpaper submitters 22:08 ah cool 22:08 Fantastic 22:08 submitters or also winners? 22:09 (great in any case!) 22:09 have the winners been announced? 22:09 i think so - knome ? 22:09 no, but we've reached out to them 22:09 right 22:09 that's what i meant 22:09 I have been keeping an eye out 22:09 alas, if you haven't heard from us, you are not one of the finalists 22:09 WHich one(s) did you submit? 22:09 lol 22:09 but the competition this time was fierce, we've never had so many high quality submissions 22:10 it was hard deciding 22:10 Yeah, it was pretty great 22:10 um quite a few 22:10 the arch 22:10 the opera house 22:10 the flowers in the tea house 22:10 Pilatus 22:10 i hit some lag that might mean i need to use this webclient... 22:10 and sesto 22:11 just those 5 22:11 alrighty 22:12 yeah there were lots of good submissions 22:12 anyway, thanks for showing up and we're glad if you wanna stick around! 22:12 thanks 22:12 did i miss the #subtopic? 22:12 there are lots of ways to contribute - not just wallpapers ;) 22:12 I agree I have been testing the latest iso too 22:12 knome_web: not really, i didn't want to discuss the walls really, just have jd109 introduce himself 22:12 aha, goodie :) 22:13 that's great 22:13 testing helps a lot too 22:13 (there i go!) 22:13 anyway, let's move the meetnig along a bit 22:13 jd109: the perspective on the arch one is really awesome btw :) 22:13 #topic Updates and Announcements 22:13 &n 22:13 not that. 22:13 thanks! 22:13 but hello from here again... 22:13 hello again knome 22:13 #subtopic Wallpaper contest results 22:14 knome: you're on 22:14 great! 22:14 so 22:14 since i'm going to post to our blog soon, no spoiling here, but: 22:14 #info We have 6 winning wallpapers from 6 different contestants! 22:15 \o/ 22:15 #info We're still working with the contestants, but at least 5 of the winning submissions will be included in 4k resolution (woot!) 22:15 * pleia2 has envelopes queued up to send them all stickers 22:15 #info Blog will be updated soon with winners' names and winning submissions :) 22:16 yes, we also have the addresses for all winners so we're good to with our prizes as well! 22:16 do we want to make all contributions available somewhere on the website? 22:16 they are already available on the contests website :) 22:16 oh crap :D 22:16 :D 22:16 and yes, we will link to that page and for now it shouldn't disappear 22:17 * ochosi should better shut up 22:17 disclaimer: the 4k versions aren't available on the contests page 22:17 yeah, that's fine though 22:17 as long as they are included in the release 22:17 we'll have to figure out if we want to make them available somewhere apart from the package and its bzr branch 22:18 mostly a question of bandwidth usage i guess 22:18 and finally 22:18 #info A huge thank you everybody for submitting! We had a total of 162 submissions compared to less than 100 last time. We have an awesome (and I hope a growing) community! 22:19 <3 22:19 +1000 22:19 Thanks for running the contest! 22:19 yeah, it was really great 22:19 no problem! 22:20 that's all from me :) 22:20 (thanks to the team for getting your votes in a timely manner too) 22:21 yes 22:21 next time we will make voting easier... 22:21 (even easier than it was now) 22:21 :) 22:21 alrighty, perfect 22:21 any other topics for updates and announcements..? 22:21 Sure 22:22 f-f-f-freezes 22:22 #subtopic Release Schedule 22:22 knome: I kept having to refresh the page for the indicator on each image to refresh after voting yay/nay. 22:22 #info Bionic Final Beta should be landing soon, today/tomorrow 22:22 hooray 22:22 #info Translations are due next week 22:23 #info Final Freeze is the 23rd 22:23 there shouldn't be much changed apart from the slideshow? 22:23 #info Final Freeze is the 26th 22:23 i mean at least that will have time to land? 22:23 knome: yeah, will be doing a batch of translation updates this weekend probably 22:23 And bug fixes 22:23 ahha 22:23 #undo 22:23 Removing item from minutes: INFO 22:23 #info Final Release is the 26th 22:24 :) 22:24 Contributors, come and get it :) 22:24 That's it for dates 22:24 pleia2, maybe a social media run for making people translate the slideshow? 22:24 oh 22:24 one more 22:24 :) 22:25 #info Release Candidate on the 19th 22:25 knome: if we have some very clear instructions as to how to do this, we absolutely should 22:25 bluesabre: so i presume we can still get today's thunar release in? 22:25 pleia2, we should be able to make it relatively brief... 22:26 ochosi: pretty sure, yeah 22:26 bluesabre: plus i pushed two small icon fixes today that should also go in 22:26 (small but not irrelevant) 22:26 ochosi: will take a look and upload sometime in the next 36 hours 22:26 awesome, thanks a bunch 22:27 anything else regarding the release schedule? 22:27 Nope 22:28 k, any other subtopics for "updates and announcements"? 22:28 None from me 22:28 i don't think - yet 22:28 either on the last meeting of the cycle or first after 22:28 :) 22:28 Unit193, pleia2 ? 22:29 ochosi: Hi! 22:29 nothing from me 22:29 :] 22:29 or the hiding krytarik 22:29 :D 22:29 Well, there's the new thunar we should try and "slip" in. 22:29 Oh, numlockx is fixed. 22:29 hooray! 22:29 @lurkers: rise from ye dwellings! 22:30 noice 22:30 alright then 22:31 #topic Discussion 22:31 #subtopic Icon changes after UIF (ochosi) 22:31 so i just briefly wanted to run something by you 22:31 there have been a few changes in our icon theme's upstream (elementary) 22:31 they have started to rework the palette 22:32 and you can see this already in bionic because i pulled in quite a few reworked icons 22:32 now we have e.g. some inconsistent greens 22:33 http://i.imgur.com/ppHvVhK.png 22:33 left is new, right is old 22:33 i could spend some more time updating these icons to the new green 22:33 but we're past UIF 22:33 so the main question is: does this qualify as bugfix? 22:33 meh 22:33 or: would you even care enough for me to do the work and for us to push this? 22:34 I'd say... not really a bugfix. But the purpose of the freezes is to make sure we're not crunched for time with replacing screenshots and the like 22:34 i don't think it's a bugfix, but i don't think the UIFe paperwork or getting the ack is too much work if we want this in 22:34 on another note: will this rework finish before the release? 22:35 well we're already in this semi-consistent state 22:35 or in other words, will we release with all-consistent icons even with the UIFe paperwork and uploading thingy? 22:35 so there's really not much to lose 22:35 hard to say, it's a lot of icons 22:35 and to go even further: do we want to release an SRU? 22:35 even if the work is repetitious and anyone could help, i doubt anybody apart from me will contribute 22:36 That's the nature of these things :) 22:36 as we dont use the icons in screenshots in our docs i consider an SRU absolutely doable 22:36 bluesabre: the nature of icon updates is that i have to work on them alone..? :D 22:36 What sort of work load is involved? Surely it's more than search & replace? 22:37 well i have to open every icon and add a new gradient, replacing the old one 22:37 i doubt the svgs are consistent enough to be able to script this 22:37 i didn't mean the SRU would be not doable even if we had screenshots or that 22:37 most of them are in the actions/ subfolders though 22:37 i would be willing to have a go at scripting if you can explain what needs to be done 22:37 the question is if we think that getting this consistency is important enough for an SRU on itself 22:38 (and i already fixed a lot of icons already) 22:38 ali1234: that'd be awesome! 22:38 because the SRU process is a different beast than an UIFe 22:38 Yeah 22:38 and that said... 22:38 knome: i know, my main target would be UIFe 22:38 if we think we will be doing an SRU, then don't sweat on the UIFe's now 22:38 but if we think we can get it all in by release, then for sure i vote for some more sweat for ochosi - and can do the UIFe paperwork 22:40 I think it'd be a nice to have. 22:40 right 22:40 The difference isn't drastic, but any additional polish we can have is welcome 22:41 definitely - we're kind of in a state where i'd rather go all way than leave the inconsistency there 22:41 If we enter SRU territory, it gets painful 22:41 (so the two current commits are in fact fixes of icons that were broken - we should get those in anyway) 22:41 bluesabre, i vote for more polish only for the polish speaking users! 22:41 ok, so then i propose the following: 22:41 1) bluesabre uploads the two commits that are bugfix as bugfix 22:41 2) ochosi tries the scripted approach with ali1234 22:41 3) if 2) fails ochosi tries to update the icons manually (as many as possible) 22:41 4) knome does the paperwork for UIFe 22:41 can I make a suggestion 22:41 sure 22:41 if It is not stepping on toes 22:41 :) 22:41 how many icons are we talking about, approximately? 22:42 how about switch the greens on the new icons 22:42 ochosi, ack from me on that proposal 22:42 back to be consistent with all the others 22:42 it would be much less work 22:42 jd109: not really, the new greens outnumber the old ones by far 22:42 oh okay 22:42 :-( 22:42 ali1234: hmm, maybe 50? 22:43 (and even if not, then we would be "outdated" for two years until the next LTS) 22:43 50 x 8 different sizes each or 50 total? 22:43 pretty sure × 22:43 50 total 22:43 oh wow 22:43 really? 22:43 x8 would include the symlinks 22:43 Seems obvious 22:43 Let's go for it :D 22:43 hey - i've done a lot of work already! 22:43 i guess svg doesn't have different sizes 22:43 :) 22:43 yes indeed, let's go for it 22:43 >900 icon updates in this cycle 22:44 with just one ochosi... we need more ochosis to be more productive 22:44 ochosi, now the proposal with #action and we're good to go ;) 22:44 just one more follow-up question 22:44 i can also clear out some other inconsistencies 22:44 like? 22:44 where icons look very different in different sizes 22:45 e.g. MS excel files look totally different in 128px 22:45 if the changes are trivial (eg. don't take a huge amount of time), go for it 22:45 we can bunch this all up as an "consistency" update 22:45 128px: http://i.imgur.com/a01oBEf.png 22:45 64px and below: http://i.imgur.com/gPuWqVn.png 22:46 hah, yes 22:46 that's really confusing and misleading 22:46 i just noticed it a short while ago 22:46 indeed 22:46 (i obviously don't work with office files "enough") 22:46 yes, i'm all for fixing this as well while we are at it 22:46 hence your sanity 22:46 lol 22:46 I agree 22:47 One nice UIFe bug to cover it all 22:47 yep 22:47 #action bluesabre will push beaaf3f6f47fb1e80fb7821fe69b3513a707cfbe and 28120d05e011ec89412d33d7dc5897d7f6bcf8ee from elementary-xfce to xubuntu-artwork as bugfix 22:47 * meetingology bluesabre will push beaaf3f6f47fb1e80fb7821fe69b3513a707cfbe and 28120d05e011ec89412d33d7dc5897d7f6bcf8ee from elementary-xfce to xubuntu-artwork as bugfix 22:47 and not even by a stretch, it really is one thing 22:47 * bluesabre is prepared 22:47 #action ochosi and ali1234 will try to script the gradient swap-out for most icons that need updating 22:47 * meetingology ochosi and ali1234 will try to script the gradient swap-out for most icons that need updating 22:48 #action ochosi will manually update whatever icons are left over from the script approach 22:48 * meetingology ochosi will manually update whatever icons are left over from the script approach 22:48 #action knome will file the UIFe paperwork once the branch is ready 22:48 * meetingology knome will file the UIFe paperwork once the branch is ready 22:48 #action bluesabre will again be doing the uploading honours 22:48 * meetingology bluesabre will again be doing the uploading honours 22:49 i'm filing the bug now that it's ready for subbing appropriate teams to it 22:49 what's the latest point in time for getting the UIFe approved? 22:49 Lots of xubuntu-artwork uploads in the next few days :) 22:49 ochosi, as long as it happens before the release... 22:49 yeah, but how many days before 22:49 i can't remember what was a realistic window 22:49 i think we don't want to go into the final freeze territory 22:50 ochosi: RC is the 19th, archive probably locked at that point 22:50 ok 22:50 so i have roughly 10 days 22:50 sounds do-able 22:50 thanks, we can move on to other discussion items (if there are any) 22:50 * bluesabre believes in ochosi 22:50 yes, i have one 22:50 k go ahead 22:51 I need to relocate, bbiab 22:51 #topic Discussion 22:51 #subtopic 18.04 Community Wallpaper Contest Winners 22:51 https://xubuntu.org/news/18-04-community-wallpaper-contest-winners/ 22:51 done :) 22:52 noice 22:52 well done 22:52 Nice! 22:52 any other discussion items? 22:52 not from me 22:52 (we're slowly but surely running out of meeting time) 22:55 ok, if not... 22:55 #topic Schedule next meeting 22:56 #action Unit193 to schedule the next meeting 22:56 * meetingology Unit193 to schedule the next meeting 22:56 iiiiit's Uniiiiiiiit193! 22:56 thanks for chairing, ochosi 22:56 weeeee 22:56 back 22:56 thanks everyone for participating 22:56 hah, right in time for the wrap-up, bluesabre 22:56 thank you ochosi 22:56 thanks! 22:56 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)