22:00 #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting 22:00 Meeting started Wed May 31 22:00:04 2017 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 22:00 22:00 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 22:00 #chair bluesabre 22:00 Current chairs: bluesabre knome 22:00 who's here for the meeting? 22:00 o/ for a few minutes 22:00 not me - I'm after popcorn 22:00 o/ 22:00 0/ 22:01 provided the hotel wifi keeps working :P 22:01 slickymasterWork: nothing we've not noticed before then :D 22:01 lol 22:01 true 22:01 we don't seem to have a long agenda, so this is likely quick... but let's go anyway 22:01 #topic Open action items 22:02 bluesabre, the thunar SRU? 22:02 You betcha 22:02 is done? :) 22:02 Nope 22:02 hah. 22:02 #action bluesabre to get the Thunar SRU out 22:02 * meetingology bluesabre to get the Thunar SRU out 22:02 everything else is done 22:02 #info thunar SRU, still in progress, hasn't been released into proposed yet, will be nudging, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1679488 22:02 Launchpad bug 1679488 in thunar (Ubuntu Zesty) "Thunar freezes when left inactive for a while" [Undecided,In progress] 22:03 ta 22:03 #topic Updates and Announcements 22:03 well - the sru in action items was done :p 22:03 flocculant, oh well... :) 22:03 i don't have anything for announcements 22:03 I do 22:03 well, xfce infrastructure has been getting better ;) 22:04 #info xfce4-weather-plugin SRU, also not yet released to -proposed, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-weather-plugin/+bug/1688056 22:04 Launchpad bug 1688056 in xfce4-weather-plugin (Ubuntu Xenial) "Package outdated" [Undecided,In progress] 22:04 Xfce apps too 22:04 what's our milestone participation status? 22:04 beta(s) 22:05 oki, not around the corner yet 22:05 nah 22:05 anything else from people? 22:05 Nope, but hopefully we'll have some interesting things in artful soon 22:05 new parole this week 22:05 I got confused with May and June when I mentioned milestones ... 22:05 :) 22:05 Lots of GTK3 porting progress in Xfce land, will be trying to get some of that in Artful 22:06 So, Xfce testing would be a huge boost right now :) 22:06 bluesabre: cool - I'm bored :) 22:06 :D 22:06 lol 22:06 Unit193 added a new tumbler package, should support wine thumbnails 22:06 If I am not mistaken 22:07 The indicator stack has landed in Debian, so there might be some news there in the near future 22:07 bluesabre: s/should/does/, been using it since yesterday. Found a problem with that too. :P 22:08 :D 22:08 welcome Unit193 22:08 I don't think there's any other announcements from me right now 22:08 oki, others? 22:09 nada 22:09 checking the release schedule for important dates 22:09 nothing here 22:09 well, that kind of reminds me 22:09 Feature Definition Freeze was the 25th :D 22:09 we need to get the slideshow stuff going earlier this cycle 22:09 bluesabre: dates are on burndown btw 22:09 slickymasterWork, ^ 22:09 indeed 22:10 ack knome 22:10 #topic Discussion 22:10 now would be as good a time as any 22:10 nothing on the agenda 22:10 does anybody want to bring up something on the spot? 22:10 #action knome to figure out some marketing stuff for getting ideas for the slideshow 22:10 * meetingology knome to figure out some marketing stuff for getting ideas for the slideshow 22:11 what about other artwork stuffs 22:11 like what? 22:12 I don't know - just everything artwork always lands really really late 22:12 There's some chatter on the mailing lists regarding slideshow deadlines and i386 to keep an eye on 22:12 i'm trying to get it out sooner, but it's what it is :| 22:12 bluesabre, yeah, thus the slideshow discussion above ;) 22:12 which is why we ended up with a default wallpaper you couldn't see fsck notice on 22:12 xfce4-terminal, xfce4-dict, xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin, xubuntu-artwork all sawuploads. 22:13 Yeah, wanted to clarify 22:13 flocculant, acknowledged 22:13 knome: ack - and I'm not blaming you - as I;ve said before maybe try and get community involved more 22:13 and not right at the last minute ;) 22:13 does anybody wnat to talk about 32-bit and/or have an opinion about it? 22:13 other flavours and Ubuntu all manage to do that 22:14 obviously you don't want to talk about art then 22:14 We have at least one 32bit team member 22:14 Makes more sense to keep wallpaper contests at LTS releases tome. 22:14 Unit193: why? 22:15 I agree with that 22:15 bluesabre: why? 22:15 flocculant, i don't have a problem talking about art, but i've acknowledged your worry that stuff lands (too) late but at the same time, real life is what real life is 22:15 flocculant: Well, that's a looot of effort to put into voting, selecting, etc for every cycle. 22:15 Mainly because it's the "stable" milestone 22:15 and something additional to hype the release 22:15 i agree with Unit193 and bluesabre too, mostly because we haven't got too many submissions even on the contests we've done this far - we don't want to make it happen more often 22:15 and what Unit193 says 22:15 And a decent point in time to put the marker. 22:16 ok - so I see no reason why we can't start planning for that now - because in less than 6 months it will be the lts cycle 22:16 the contest website is ready for submissions, it'll take 5 mins to set it up 22:16 Definitely a good idea to plan and schedule, though we have the infra for it now 22:16 knome beat me to that 22:16 because if we don't - then it will be March and still we#ll be thinking about doing something 22:17 but I'll shutup and wait for when it's too late for that cycle 22:17 it even has ssl now! 22:17 I have no opinion on 32bit 22:18 architectures is a boring topic :D 22:18 when there is something concrete to discuss then I'll make my mind up 22:19 bluesabre: damn right - I had to do Gothic :( 22:19 There was a suggestion in the ML to include gnome-font-viewer... I'm in favor of this suggestion 22:19 flocculant: haha 22:20 bluesabre: so was I once I woke up to the right package :p 22:20 oooh - also what about the core iso - are we going to try again? 22:21 We'd like to, but it's really hard to get the folks that can do anything about it to do anything about it 22:21 bluesabre, want to follow up on that thread and potentially set up a team vote? 22:22 flocculant: We provide the patches, they don't get reviewed :\ 22:22 yes, my take on core is that it's always been the plan to make it official 22:22 bluesabre: has it been discussed recently? 22:22 flocculant: Haven't checked in a while 22:22 mmk 22:22 knome: sure, I'll do that 22:23 #action bluesabre to follow up on gnome-font-viewer inclusion and set up team vote 22:23 * meetingology bluesabre to follow up on gnome-font-viewer inclusion and set up team vote 22:23 I know I've not seen anything where I lurk - didn't know about elsewhere 22:23 bluesabre, thanks 22:23 #action knome to poke infinity about xubuntu core/base again 22:23 * meetingology knome to poke infinity about xubuntu core/base again 22:24 #action knome to update the contest website plugin from staging 22:24 * meetingology knome to update the contest website plugin from staging 22:24 Are there any other development related things folks want to discuss? 22:24 or any other xubuntu-related things? 22:25 bluesabre: I'm a tad confused about what gtk3 xfce we have/expecting tbh 22:26 not even sure what's on iso currently - if at all 22:26 'the problem with using our ppa's' :) 22:26 bluesabre: but don't need to know here and now ... 22:27 flocculant: Not sure for what we expect to have, depends on what gets done early this cycle... but we have xfce4-terminal, parole, mousepad, exo, several plugins already in 22:27 bluesabre, Unit193 (and ochosi): i think i've asked this before, but could you put up some kind of summary about this? 22:27 bluesabre: will we see panel? 22:27 i know it's a moving target and a lot depends on what happens on the xfce side, but maybe some sketch 22:27 knome: yea :) 22:28 I think I'll set up a wiki page where we can track this with some accuracy 22:28 ty 22:28 well we have the first GTK3 release of panel out, so in terms of schedule, yes, it should probably be landing 22:28 bluesabre, ta, that'd be helpful 22:28 I use the panel 22:29 There's some fixes coming along for the panel, but it might be good enough for release, nudge ochosi for specifics 22:29 considering we're releasing on october and it's barely june here, i think we should be safe to say enough fixes have landed before freezes 22:29 but again... who knows what happens :) 22:29 Yeah 22:30 I'll be doubling down on the settings manager again after this parole release, so that might even be release worthy this cycle 22:30 Definitely lots of fun things to play with 22:31 bluesabre: if there's a more or less working git one of those I can install it 22:31 flocculant: I'll look into that... I think we have something somewhere, or we can 22:31 I think I did some checking and bug reporting last cycle for that on bugzilla 22:31 #action bluesabre to put up a wikipage for traking GTK3-enabled components of Xfce in Xubuntu 22:31 * meetingology bluesabre to put up a wikipage for traking GTK3-enabled components of Xfce in Xubuntu 22:32 thanks knome 22:32 np 22:33 Nothing more from me atm 22:33 so... any other discussions or action items that should be added to make sure the discussions here are continued as needed? 22:34 oh 22:34 :) 22:34 Do we want to have some sort of flexible schedule for these meetings going forward, like a monthly checkin? 22:34 The Council just decided to get this one rolling late last week 22:35 based on flocculant's suggestion 22:35 anyway, i was about to suggest that we try to schedule the next meeting between 1-3 weeks from the last one 22:35 so ideally every 2 weeks 22:35 but give some wiggle room because life 22:35 didn't we do that before? 22:36 i think yes at least when i was chairing each meeting :P 22:36 :D 22:36 i mean, i don't mind chairing now and then 22:36 even on others' turns if they suddenly can't come 22:36 well - on the other hand - milestones come regularly - why not just do one week prior? 22:36 that's all perfectly fine 22:37 i just hope that nobody has to be the person that is expected to chair every time :) 22:37 I'm also not opposed to chairing more frequently, but my schedule usually misses everyone elses 22:37 nothing to stop having more than then 22:37 flocculant, definitely more coordination around milestones is needed 22:37 mmm 22:37 might be useful to have one meeting 2 weeks before and one meeting 1 week before each milestone 22:38 Sounds reasonable to me 22:39 i think we can agree with bluesabre that the council can take the chairing for at least some of those meetings if it looks like the next-up-chair can't 22:39 or even: 22:39 schedule the meeting dates now, and the next-up-chair at that point chairs at a time that works for them - if the date isn't suitable for them at all, council takes the chair 22:40 with two betas that makes up to 4 "extra" meetings for council and i have no problem doing half of them if time permits 22:41 #nick council 22:41 knome: right - well I kind of meant use the 'milestones' not necessarily the ones we participate in 22:41 #action council to have a talk about meetings before milestones 22:41 * meetingology council to have a talk about meetings before milestones 22:41 flocculant, aha... ack :) 22:42 anyway, from my POV it's better if the schedule can be organic 22:42 heh 22:42 unless there are milestones we participate in etc 22:43 +1 22:43 so... anything else? 22:43 nope 22:43 nada 22:44 niente 22:44 ok 22:44 #topic Schedule next meeting 22:44 #action slickymasterWork to schedule next meeting 22:44 * meetingology slickymasterWork to schedule next meeting 22:44 slickymasterWork, in the next 1-3 weeks please :P 22:44 #endmeeting