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18:00 <flocculant> #chair akxwi-dave
18:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: akxwi-dave flocculant
18:01 <flocculant> Evening all - so we're going to now run the planned How to test session
18:01 <flocculant> We're not sure what people need
18:01 <flocculant> We're sure we need you
18:02 <flocculant> What we want to do in this session is just run through what we're trying to get during this cycle
18:02 <flocculant> So - what we first would love to know is who's turned up for the session :)
18:03 <mcs_> 0/
18:03 <flocculant> If you're here to learn something from us - then please do as mcs_ did :)
18:03 <flocculant> hi mexchip
18:03 <flocculant> you here for the testing session?
18:03 <mexchip> hi flocculant, yes
18:03 <flocculant> \o/
18:04 <flocculant> just starting up now
18:04 <mexchip> yes, sorry for being a bit late
18:04 <mexchip> but I'm ready :)
18:04 <flocculant> now worries :)
18:04 <flocculant> I saw you pitch up earlier
18:05 <mexchip> yes, testing the IRC software I just installed
18:05 <flocculant> anyway - lets get a start, akxwi-dave has been pretty active testing for us when we shout out during the last few cycles
18:06 <akxwi-dave> Afternoon All
18:06 <flocculant> he recently got approved into the main QA team and this was his first *job* from me
18:06 <flocculant> so be nice ;)
18:06 <mcs_> \o/ akxwi-dave
18:06 <flocculant> akxwi-dave: - the channel is yours :)
18:07 <akxwi-dave> Cheers flocculant , As you have just been told, I've been test testing for a few cycles now
18:07 <akxwi-dave> I started testing to give something back to the community, but it was scary at first
18:08 <akxwi-dave> not sure if i was doing things right or if it actually helped
18:08 <akxwi-dave> so hopefully what I'm about the pass on will help you get started in testing Xubuntu
18:09 <akxwi-dave> feel free to ask anything as I'm doing this
18:10 <akxwi-dave> to me there's three parts to the testing, ISO's, Packages and Bugs
18:10 <akxwi-dave> so I'll go thru them one at a time
18:10 <akxwi-dave> #subtopic iso testing
18:11 <akxwi-dave> Iso testing is probably the easiest one to get involved with, either by using a spare PC or using a virtual machine
18:11 <flocculant> oh meh - do we need to #topic first :(
18:11 <flocculant> #topic testing
18:11 <akxwi-dave> oops   :
18:12 <akxwi-dave> lets try again
18:12 <flocculant> #subtopic iso testing
18:12 <akxwi-dave> Iso testing is probably the easiest one to get involved with, either by using a spare PC or using a virtual machine
18:12 <flocculant> could be wrong :)
18:13 * flocculant - you carry on akxwi-dave - sorry :p
18:13 <akxwi-dave> When I first started I was lucky enough to have spare PC, but now I test using Virtual Machines (32bit) and real hardware (64 bit)
18:14 <akxwi-dave> by downloading either the latest Daily build or even if its just beta version you can help
18:14 <akxwi-dave> you can access these from here  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
18:15 <mcs_> Can i ask a question ?
18:15 <akxwi-dave> of course
18:15 <flocculant> o/
18:16 <mcs_> Can we download the isos (the alpha and betas)  from here as well ? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
18:16 <flocculant> yes
18:16 <mcs_> sorry  gtypo => http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
18:17 <mcs_> OK
18:17 <flocculant> still yes :)
18:17 <akxwi-dave> :-)
18:17 <mcs_> ty
18:17 <flocculant> akxwi-dave: excuse me for a moment while I make a point
18:17 <akxwi-dave> off course
18:18 <NoklaM> Got to ask, how silly of me is to run the developmenet version on my only machine?
18:18 <flocculant> akxwi-dave is running the session, I'm reading - if people have questions just chuck a o/ into the channel and I will make sure you get chance
18:19 <flocculant> then we can run the session as akxwi-dave want's and we can ask questions at each topic end, thanks :)
18:19 <flocculant> akxwi-dave: your channel again :)
18:19 <akxwi-dave> if you want to be 100 % safe do it as a VM, however my Laptop which i use daily has the latest 16 build on it.04
18:19 <akxwi-dave> ta
18:21 <akxwi-dave> once you have the ISo of you choice take a look at the testcases for that build
18:21 <akxwi-dave> luckily each test case has  a number of things that we would like to be tested for
18:22 <akxwi-dave> I personally do them in this order, As I find that I can get a number of things tested in a good run
18:23 <akxwi-dave> start with the Live Session - and work down the test options
18:23 <akxwi-dave> basically that it boots to desktop and you can start all the usually applications
18:24 <akxwi-dave> for me thats the main programs that i would use on a day to day basis
18:25 <akxwi-dave> if I  get any wierd things happen or programs fail i would write down what I was doing and what went wrong.
18:26 <akxwi-dave> when I happy I have done that I go back to the  test cases and see if any bugs had been reported for the live session.
18:26 <akxwi-dave> If there have i check against what I may have found..
18:27 <akxwi-dave> I ususally check after the first run, as I don want to infulence my usuage.. but for all the rest of the testing I check the bugs reported first
18:28 <akxwi-dave> No one fallen asleep yet?  :-)
18:28 <NoklaM> o/
18:28 <NoklaM> keep going :P
18:28 <NoklaM> It's good
18:28 <akxwi-dave> :-)
18:29 <mexchip> go on
18:29 <flocculant> I'm here too :)
18:29 <mcs_> o/
18:29 <MrTulias> \o
18:29 <flocculant> :)
18:30 <flocculant> o/
18:30 <akxwi-dave> I then Move to one of the install options - I usually try to alternate which one I go for first..( and choose a different one for the VM testing)
18:31 <mcs_> o/
18:31 <akxwi-dave> as you will see here  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds/107745/testcases/1300/results  there tends to be more to do..
18:31 <akxwi-dave> mcs a question?
18:32 <mcs_> yes
18:32 <akxwi-dave> fire away
18:33 <mcs_> If i find a bug that is not part of a test case should i be raising to launchpad or xubuntus qa ?
18:33 <mcs_> ie. against ubuntu or xubuntu ?
18:33 <flocculant> against the package
18:33 <flocculant> example
18:34 <akxwi-dave> I personally raise it on launchpad ( Which I will come to later) against the package
18:34 <flocculant> find an issue with mousepad
18:34 <flocculant> report it there, you can THEN list that number in the tracker
18:35 <mcs_> ahh. ty
18:35 <flocculant> this means that both QA following tracker and dev following package see it :)
18:35 <mcs_> right. ic
18:35 <flocculant> akxwi-dave: unless that was what you intended to say :)
18:36 <akxwi-dave> word for word flocculant   :-)
18:36 <akxwi-dave> back to the installation testcase
18:37 <akxwi-dave> as you may see there is usually more to check, so before I do I tend to see if any other bugs have been reported so I can check for them While installing
18:37 <akxwi-dave> again writing anything  i find down for later
18:38 <akxwi-dave> and finally after the install I do the post install test, following the testcase along with using all the programs I use in  a day to day basis..
18:39 <akxwi-dave> on a side note I also tend to install any restricted drivers available and steam, along with a game
18:40 <akxwi-dave> just to test it as I would truly use it..
18:40 <flocculant> \o/
18:40 <flocculant> important point ;)
18:40 <akxwi-dave> once all the testcases have been done I then file the reports
18:40 <akxwi-dave> :-)
18:42 <akxwi-dave> if you do get any of the bugs that have been recorded before PLEASE make sure you report them as well, just because some one has already reported it, its still important that you do
18:42 <akxwi-dave> the more people that report a bug, shows that its not an isolated case
18:42 <flocculant> yep
18:43 <akxwi-dave> as a caveat to that. there will be obvious ones that will not need to be reported  i.e. the Gmusic Browser bug
18:43 <akxwi-dave> but if in Doubt please please report it
18:44 <flocculant> akxwi-dave: that has gone from the testcase now
18:44 <akxwi-dave> thats the end of this subtopic any questions before we move on to testing packages
18:45 <flocculant> I had one :)
18:45 <akxwi-dave> pls ask..
18:45 <flocculant> if I start an iso test - is there a way that I can say I am testing it?
18:46 <akxwi-dave> yes you can
18:46 <flocculant> ok thanks - how?
18:47 <akxwi-dave> logging into the tracker where you report the test results, you can set the result to "Testing"
18:47 <akxwi-dave> rather than passed or failed
18:47 <akxwi-dave> and go back and edit it once you are finished
18:47 <flocculant> ok thanks akxwi-dave
18:48 <akxwi-dave> That also go for if you reported one as passed you can then go back and change it to failed and vice versa
18:48 <flocculant> did mcs_ get syncing info earlier?
18:48 <flocculant> akxwi-dave: good good point :)
18:49 <mcs_> flocculant: ? i don't think so
18:49 <flocculant> ok
18:50 <akxwi-dave> #subtopic Package testing and PPA's
18:50 <flocculant> just to tie this section up - there are ways to just grab the differenc
18:50 <NoklaM> o/
18:50 <mcs_> o/
18:50 <flocculant> I'll touch on those at the end though
18:51 <akxwi-dave> before i continue any other questions?
18:51 <flocculant> as akxwi-dave is now on what we REALLY want :)
18:51 <mcs_> i was going to enquire about zsync but i suspect that'll come later
18:52 <akxwi-dave> mcs_, yes it will do flocculant is going to do that at the end
18:52 <flocculant> akxwi-dave: get on with packages where  I willl be noisy :D
18:52 <mcs_> ty
18:52 <akxwi-dave> right packages.. this is the bit that is really fun...
18:52 <flocculant> ***PACKAGE TESTING ****
18:52 <flocculant> :D
18:53 <akxwi-dave> lol
18:53 <akxwi-dave> if you read the get involved section of the website it mentions there are 3  testing PPA's that are used.
18:54 <akxwi-dave> and these need to be installed
18:54 <akxwi-dave> http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa
18:54 <akxwi-dave> to make it easier for people I will list the terminal commands to install these
18:54 <akxwi-dave> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:shimmerproject/daily
18:54 <akxwi-dave> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-staging
18:54 <akxwi-dave> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xubuntu-dev/ppa
18:55 <akxwi-dave> sudo apt-get update
18:55 <akxwi-dave> sudo apt-get upgrade
18:55 <akxwi-dave> I do this because people may be great at testing, but not necessarilty great at the terminal ( looks both ways and hides)
18:56 <akxwi-dave> first thing i do before any package testing is to check there are no updates
18:56 <akxwi-dave> and manually do and update and upgrade
18:57 <akxwi-dave> i then go to the package tracker http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/
18:57 <flocculant> o/
18:57 <akxwi-dave> here for the latest ones
18:57 <akxwi-dave> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/350/builds/105268/testcases
18:57 <akxwi-dave> yes flocculant ?
18:58 <flocculant> can I just jump in quickly
18:58 <akxwi-dave> of course
18:58 <flocculant> re those PPAs
18:58 <flocculant> anyone can add those when supported
18:59 <flocculant> but - we would urge people using them to also have ppa-purge installed so you can test *new* for a while
19:00 <flocculant> then purge the ppa and go back to default
19:00 <flocculant> akxwi-dave: sorry - carry on :)
19:00 <akxwi-dave> no probs flocculant
19:02 <akxwi-dave> the good thing about package testing is that as there a large number of test cases, and it may look daunting, you can choose which one to do at any time
19:02 <akxwi-dave> and like the ISO testing, the test cases have very good instructions of what to test..
19:03 <akxwi-dave> first time i looked at them, I will admit I was scared, and thought omg.. but after 10 mins of reading them.. it was more the case ok lets do this
19:04 <flocculant> :)
19:04 <akxwi-dave> using the same methods as for the ISO's I look at the bugs that may have been recorded for the testcase i'm about to do
19:05 <akxwi-dave> for example the XFCE appearance settings one   http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/350/builds/105268/testcases/1575/results
19:06 <akxwi-dave> and work thru the instructions.
19:06 <flocculant> oh pick one you can fail me on :p
19:06 <akxwi-dave> Oh yes..
19:06 <flocculant> even if it does prove a point :D
19:07 <akxwi-dave> if you have looked at this testcase you will see  found a bug and reported it via launchpad
19:08 <akxwi-dave> now,, i didnt just rush off and reported it , i retested that section a number of times before i did, just to make sure I hadn't done anything wrong
19:09 <akxwi-dave> if you do find a bug and report it it will get picked up and checked by the team..
19:09 <akxwi-dave> just like this one..   http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/350/builds/105268/testcases/1584/results
19:10 <akxwi-dave> this shows that even if you think you may find a bug and its checked it may not be one
19:10 <akxwi-dave> in this case I checked this one a number of times before reporting, and eventually as you will see it was my VM that was faulty
19:11 <flocculant> akxwi-dave: in one
19:11 <GridCube> MrTulias ping
19:11 <MrTulias> ?
19:12 <akxwi-dave> the message with this is you may not always get it right..  but if you have tested it and get the same result a number of times report it
19:12 <flocculant> the first appearsto be a real bug :
19:12 <GridCube> P: i think this is the meeting you wanted to be around
19:12 <MrTulias> :)
19:13 <akxwi-dave> dont let the ones I have linked put you off, off the package testcases, there a number that have only a few steps
19:14 <akxwi-dave> start with those to get the hang off it.. once you do you will find you are half way down the list before you know it
19:14 <akxwi-dave> obiously some of them are better tested with real hardware
19:15 <akxwi-dave> for example to bluetooth connectivity
19:15 <akxwi-dave> but real hardware or virtual machines.. any testing is helpfuul
19:16 <flocculant> ^^
19:16 <akxwi-dave> any questions?
19:16 <flocculant> loads :D
19:16 <mcs_> o/
19:17 <flocculant> bunch of statements too :_P
19:17 <akxwi-dave> fire away
19:17 <mcs_> who ?
19:17 <flocculant> perhaps if w #topic flocculant then let people ask stuff
19:18 <akxwi-dave> mcs first
19:18 <flocculant> #subtopic Xubuntu extras
19:18 <mcs_> just to be clear about testing the PPA, i could...
19:18 <flocculant> mcs_: the ?
19:19 <mcs_> flocculant: i was going to ask a question
19:19 <flocculant> yep - go ahead
19:19 <mcs_> ty
19:20 <mcs_> i could download a daily iso, update and upgrade it, add the PPAs using the commands above ^^^ update and upgrade again and then i'm good to go ?
19:20 <akxwi-dave> yes
19:20 <mcs_> ty
19:21 <akxwi-dave> Thats what I do on my laptop.. and test the individual iso's om a vm
19:21 <flocculant> mcs_: for people not understanding
19:23 <flocculant> grab the daily image http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current and you can zsync it
19:23 <flocculant> I alias image to zyncing the pair
19:24 <flocculant> anyone questions about testing apps?
19:24 <akxwi-dave> two links that can help to bookmark for reporting new bugs
19:24 <akxwi-dave> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
19:24 <akxwi-dave> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect
19:25 <akxwi-dave> these along with the full list of test cases are auto loaded for me when I start testing.. just in case
19:25 <flocculant> last call
19:26 <flocculant> closing at 7:30
19:26 <akxwi-dave> once of the hardest things when reporting bugs is the tags.. don't worry if you get them wrong first times around flocculant  can change them :-)
19:27 <akxwi-dave> if any one has any questions after this session feel free to grab me anytime
19:27 <mcs_> o/
19:27 <akxwi-dave> yes mcs
19:28 <mcs_> is it too early to start testing now ? i.e next week ?
19:28 <akxwi-dave> nope startwhen you are ready
19:28 <mcs_> ty
19:29 <flocculant> #endmeeting