10:00 #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting 10:00 Meeting started Mon Jun 22 10:00:28 2015 UTC. The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 10:00 10:00 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 10:00 !team | time to go :) 10:00 time to go :): bluesabre, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit193 10:00 who's here? 10:00 #chair ochosi 10:00 Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi 10:00 o/ 10:02 I'll give folks a few minutes to roll out of bed 10:02 :) 10:02 Taze 'em. 10:03 i thought tazing makes people faint? 10:03 i am here 10:03 #chair Unit193 10:03 Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi 10:04 :> 10:04 hey dkessel, Unit193, glad you guys could make it 10:05 alrighty, suppose we can get started 10:05 sounds good to me 10:05 #topic Open Action Items 10:05 not too many i guess 10:05 - knome to follow-up on the FAQ reboot on ML 10:05 - ochosi to follow up with team leads re blueprints as needed 10:06 news? 10:06 i'll keep on following up with team leads, no news from me on this though 10:06 (i actually wanted to follow up on -dev a bit, but we can do that in the discussion part) 10:06 cool 10:06 not sure we're making much headway with the FAQ reboot 10:06 yeah 10:06 I'm happy to write articles! 10:07 :D 10:07 welcome slickymasterWork 10:07 hey slickymasterWork and welcome to the meeting ;) 10:07 #chair slickymasterWork 10:07 Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi slickymasterWork 10:07 morning everyone 10:07 good timing too 10:07 sorru for being late 10:08 np 10:08 * sorry 10:08 had a flat tyre on the way to work :P 10:08 I schedule the worst times in the team 10:08 :D 10:08 lol 10:08 bluesabre: actually we're quite many, so i'm not sure that's true 10:08 let's move on? 10:08 o/ 10:08 #topic Team Updates 10:08 hey Noskcaj 10:08 heya Noskcaj 10:09 #chair Noskcaj 10:09 Current chairs: Noskcaj Unit193 bluesabre ochosi slickymasterWork 10:09 hey Noskcaj 10:09 welcome to the party 10:09 Development progress is going slowly 10:09 #info feh added to live session to draw the installer desktop, still waiting on branch merge for ubiquity https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubiquity/lp1437180_feh 10:09 #info work started on next version of Catfish (more UI goodies, plugin manager) 10:09 #info xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin has been added to pkg-xfce, and will make it to debian sometime soonish 10:09 #info The libreoffice icon-set is closing in on its first release, we'll then try to get it into ubuntu as a separate package 10:10 #info test libreofice-style-elementary at https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ubuntu/daily 10:10 #info xfpm 1.5.2 in xubuntu-staging ppa, "launch xfpm" bug fixed 10:10 ooh nice 10:11 yup, eric release .2 on the weekend (as planned) 10:11 thanks for the quick packaging work Noskcaj 10:11 any other team updates? 10:12 always hard to get good representation from each team 10:12 agreed 10:13 slickymasterWork: any docs news? :) 10:13 #info knome added some nice graphics to http://xubuntu.org/ 10:14 damn connection 10:14 it happens 10:14 my internet is garbage where I live now 10:14 any news for documentation qwebirc855185 ? 10:14 like I was trying to say I'll start the calls for package translations this week, in the m/l 10:14 qwebirc855185: please #info it though ;) 10:15 #info slickymaster will start the calls for package translations this week, in the m/l 10:15 good good 10:15 next up 10:16 #topic Announcements 10:16 #info The first milestone we're participating in this cycle is Beta 1 (August 27) 10:16 but... please be sure to be testing the daily images and reporting on any issues found 10:17 #info While it has been announced already, let me formally repeat it here: elfy has retired from his QA team lead position and from the Xubuntu team as a whole. 10:17 are we planning on running any testing calls on the m/l, bluesabre? 10:17 ochosi ^^ 10:17 i guess we should do that at least for the milestones we're participating in 10:17 slickymasterWork: we had one shortly before elfy's retirement, that's the current call for testing 10:17 lemme dig up that mail 10:18 #info current testing status and information https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-June/010798.html 10:18 yeah, but I was referring to reminder calls, as we're moving along the release cycle 10:19 nothing new at this time, but something closer to the milestones 10:19 let's discuss that in the "discussion" part ;) 10:19 yes 10:19 oki doke~ 10:20 #info some (maybe) flavors will be doing the Alpha 1 milestone this week, just as a heads up 10:20 I think that might be it for current announcements 10:21 and nobody is stopping me 10:21 :D 10:21 #topic Discussion 10:21 #subtopic Core as an image 10:21 http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/05/29/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t20:39 10:22 i read the log 10:22 i personally would prefer a separate iso over offering minimal as an option in ubiquity 10:22 or: offering -desktop in ubiquity 10:22 cause it defeats the benefit of having a smaller download 10:23 and downloading all the things for -desktop only when installing makes the installer very slow 10:23 yuuuuup 10:23 also, downloading an iso can happen through torrents 10:23 I'd imagine Unit193 and others would agree in this instance 10:24 I do agree 10:24 so "patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd" 10:24 Unit193: can you work on that ^ ? 10:24 #nick xubuntu-dev 10:25 if so, i think we could split up that xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint in multiple ones 10:25 #action xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd 10:25 * meetingology xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd 10:25 Unit193 can claim that when he's around again 10:25 from my pov we can reconsider the name, as infinity implied, but keeping it as ok as well 10:26 but that way we keep it on the radar 10:26 since we've already announced it as -core i think it 10:26 's okayish 10:26 yeah 10:26 we existed before snappy :D 10:26 yeah, that doesn't really help our case though 10:26 or at least before it was announced 10:26 xubuntu-mini might still be less confusing 10:26 yeah 10:27 besides, -core is way more self-explanatory 10:27 but mini iso already is a thing too 10:28 these are probably minor details though, with the larger task being the patches above 10:28 so, ready to move on to the next discussion? 10:28 yup 10:28 yeaps 10:28 #subtopic Status and plans for the QA subteam 10:28 i put this item in the agenda because i was worried that except for the testing calls, nothing much might happen without elfy, because other team members have enough work for themselves already 10:29 dkessel: thanks, it needed to be in the discussion for sure 10:29 well, one aspect that might actually help is that we switched away from following test-cases 10:29 that took a lot of discipline and was an extra effort for team members 10:30 i'll likely be using wily soon on a sort of daily basis, so there'll be no problem with doing the drive-by testing 10:30 but yeah, having a leader for the QA subteam is important 10:30 personally i'd appreciate it if we could find an interim lead for the rest of the cycle 10:30 i think doing the item for getting results for the automated image testing will be a good preparation for the next lts 10:31 yes 10:31 or automated package testing even... 10:31 you were working on that item dkessel, if memory serves me correctly 10:31 no 10:31 hmm 10:32 dkessel: are there any work items you would want to take on? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-w-qa 10:32 i think elfy talked to some canonical infrastructure stuff about the image testing 10:32 sorry then, I was under the impression that you were 10:33 this sounds like a good effort, especially now 10:34 * ochosi quickly has to run out 10:34 ochosi: coming back? 10:34 or how soon do you need to run? 10:34 i can be around a bit more 10:34 cool 10:34 just announcing that 10:35 so 5-10mins for me 10:35 I think we should take a look at the automated testing again 10:35 arhg connection probs 10:35 and it sounds like we want to improve our automating reporting? 10:35 [knome] Work with the tracker developers to get out more meaningful data: TODO 10:35 bluesabre: yeah, agreed, the question is who has time to do that? 10:37 ochosi: well, with no current qa lead, I think -dev probably needs to step in to some degree to leverage, and it might be a good idea to take this time prior to LTS to get automation off the ground 10:37 i can try to contact somebody. not sure how this works then. there was talk about RT ickets or something, which i dont know about 10:37 dkessel: would be great if you could start that! 10:37 +1 10:38 you can always ask bluesabre or me for help/advice 10:38 okay 10:38 awesome 10:38 great dkessel, thanks for stepping up 10:39 #action dkessel to investigate automated image testing 10:39 * meetingology dkessel to investigate automated image testing 10:39 :) 10:39 perfect, that way we can follow up at the next meeting 10:39 vague, but good 10:39 :) 10:39 yeah, it's a start ;) 10:40 ochosi: we should probably schedule qa things for dev to announce in the meantime, but we can discuss this outside of the meeting later 10:40 yeah 10:41 #action xubuntu-dev to help maintain xubuntu-qa in the meantime 10:41 * meetingology xubuntu-dev to help maintain xubuntu-qa in the meantime 10:41 er 10:41 #undo 10:41 Removing item from minutes: ACTION 10:42 #info xubuntu-dev to help maintain xubuntu-qa in the meantime 10:42 thats more of an info 10:42 :D 10:42 indeed 10:42 k, anything else, or can i run? :) 10:42 thats probably enough for that topic 10:42 #topic Schedule next meeting 10:42 #info knome to schedule next meeting 10:42 #endmeeting