18:00 #startmeeting 18:00 Meeting started Tue May 12 18:00:31 2015 UTC. The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 18:00 18:00 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 18:00 hello! who all is here for the xubuntu community meeting? 18:00 piskie is 18:01 o/ elfy 18:01 I guess we'll wait a couple minutes for the crowds to gather 18:01 yep 18:02 !team | meeting time! 18:02 meeting time!: bluesabre, elfy, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit193 18:03 Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings#Agenda 18:03 lots about ... 18:04 #topic Open action items 18:04 elfy to draft an EOL announcement (with other flavors) 18:04 that was done :) 18:04 yea 18:04 xubuntu-docs to throw the ball around about the FAQ articles 18:05 dunno about that one 18:05 (which is also our first agenda item) 18:05 there was a mail to the list 18:05 yeah, last month 18:05 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-April/010697.html 18:05 bluesabre replied - no-one else did 18:05 * pleia2 nods 18:06 can't remember positively - but think there was some discussion in channel and a sort of acceptance it might be a good thing 18:06 wfm 18:06 but - given it was a knome - might be better to just move on today 18:06 * pleia2 nods 18:06 *thinh 18:06 that was it for open action items 18:06 #topic Team updates 18:06 lol 18:06 I don't have anything 18:07 #info QA started to plan Wily 18:07 yay 18:07 that's it :p 18:07 :) 18:07 alright, on to agenda items 18:08 Rebooting the FAQ articles is on the list, but no knome or docs people, so maybe we bump until next meeting 18:08 wfm 18:08 Package testing, anyone? 18:08 well yes :D 18:08 #topic Package testing 18:08 so - this is bluesabre and my position 18:08 http://pastebin.com/Q4KEDumc 18:09 which boils down to lets not bother this cycle 18:09 http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/327/builds/82959/testcases 18:09 is what got tested and reported to the tracker last cycle 18:09 I will move forward assuming that we are NOT going to bother with packages.qa.ubuntu.com 18:10 makes sense 18:10 unless someone pipes up with a reasonable reason as to why we should 18:10 but - kind of plan in the paste referenced above = mail list and ping social media if and when we've got a specific testing need 18:11 * pleia2 nods 18:11 done on that 18:11 people seem more excited when we do it that way anyway, wall-of-package-tests is less fun 18:11 indeed 18:11 alright 18:11 #topic Milestones to take part in 18:11 :) 18:12 so the simple question is do we start at Beta again - or earlier - or play it by ear and see what happens pre Alpha 18:12 yeah 18:12 #action elfy to mail -dev list re Milestone participation during Wily cycle 18:12 * meetingology elfy to mail -dev list re Milestone participation during Wily cycle 18:13 ++ 18:13 pleia2: you can move on then if you like now :) 18:13 #topic QA Incentive 18:13 so, last cycle we tried plying people with stickers to do QA 18:13 ooh look - another one I need to be about for :p 18:13 it failed 18:13 and you :D 18:13 yep 18:14 I've been reading this book recently and I think I know why http://www.danpink.com/drive/ 18:14 and given the time involved - not particularly interested in investing those hours and hours once more 18:14 people don't do this kind of thing to be awarded $15 in stickers 18:14 and offering it kind of devalues the whole process 18:15 most of the people who "won" stickers each time were surprised, one only accepted so he could give to his students/colleagues 18:15 so, oops :) 18:15 maybe so - but on the other hand - asking people to do it - failed too 18:15 indeed 18:15 perhaps the best thing would be for me to actually follow through on last cycles threat 18:16 so in learning more about motivation, I learned that the best thing we can do is give incentives that improve their rank in our dev community 18:16 stickers meh, noting & thanking people who are doing well in QA on social media and stuff has social capital that is valuable to these kinds of contributors 18:16 elfy: stepping down? 18:17 don't do that :) 18:17 that implies getting people involved - which is just aas much an uphill struggle 18:17 pleia2: lol - no - I told ochosi I would be here for Wily - and by extension X too - wouldn't drop anyone in that 18:17 it is, but we don't have a choice really, it needs to be done, QA test won't do themselves! 18:17 oh ok :) <3 18:18 not mark things ready if not tested enough- even if it is Release Candidate 18:18 ah, yes 18:18 that would probably encourage more testing from the team, I hope 18:18 which needs to happen, I didn't do any tests last cycle :( 18:18 well - you know my position on that 18:19 if I can't expect the people putting their name on the release - how am I supposed to expect anyone else to do so 18:19 indeed 18:19 anyway - wording change from drc off channel re previous statement 18:20 s/rank/standing/ sounds better, more "comunity" than "team" 18:20 I don't have permission to paste it in a logged meeting 18:20 oh ok :) 18:20 and yeah, words 18:20 he can slap me if he wants to 18:20 anyway - yes - in theory that's great 18:21 but what do we do to move from theory to reality 18:21 ultimately, my goal with this agenda item was to review what we did, why it went bad and see if we can come up with better ideas moving forward 18:21 frankly - the QA team is probably the easiest one to move into - and thence TEAM 18:21 yeah 18:21 well that's fine in and of itself as a goal 18:22 but MY problem is *now* not in 3 months :) 18:22 and if iirc - one of the reasons in that 'team' 18:22 (the QA team) 18:22 * pleia2 nods 18:23 alright, well I think it's decided that we won't do a formalized sticker thing again 18:23 I'd say that this topic is probably best dealt with in m/l 18:23 yea - I'm rather implacably -1 on doing that again 18:24 want me to write an email re: incentives to the list? 18:24 I think so - perhaps get the discussion moving at least - follow up with a more detailed review - if that's even possible - later 18:24 wfm 18:25 #action pleia2 to email list re: QA and incentives 18:25 * meetingology pleia2 to email list re: QA and incentives 18:25 we can start from the Marketing won't send them, QA won't give Marketing the data anyway stance :p 18:25 hehe 18:25 it was a fun experiment, but I don't think there will be any complaints about ending it 18:26 nope 18:26 #topic Announcements & Discussion 18:26 anything else? 18:26 not from me 18:26 yeah, I'm all set 18:26 ok 18:26 #action Unit193 to schedule next meeting 18:26 * meetingology Unit193 to schedule next meeting 18:27 have a nice week :) 18:27 #endmeeting