17:00 <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
17:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Feb 25 17:00:59 2015 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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17:01 <knome> who's here for the meeting?
17:01 * GridCube is here as a listener today
17:02 <elfy> be about make a cup of tea time - just got in
17:02 <knome> GridCube, non-team members can talk just as well :P
17:02 <GridCube> i know :P but i'll probably have nothing to say
17:02 <GridCube> this is the first meeting i can join in years
17:02 <knome> #topic Open action items
17:02 <knome> Unit193 to tie up with elfy for xubuntu-core upgrade testing needs
17:02 <knome> did that happen?
17:03 <elfy> no
17:03 <knome> #action Unit193 to tie up with elfy for xubuntu-core upgrade testing needs
17:03 * meetingology Unit193 to tie up with elfy for xubuntu-core upgrade testing needs
17:03 <knome> rests seems done
17:03 <knome> #topic Team updates
17:03 <knome> #info The new website theme (with fixes) is live!!!
17:04 <elfy> I have loads
17:04 <knome> just pour them in :)
17:05 <elfy> right - I'm here now
17:05 <elfy> though loads is probably 3 or 4 :p
17:06 <knome> haha
17:06 <elfy> #info Trusty testing - once we had a testable image - went well - 94 reported results for that
17:06 <knome> \o/
17:07 <PaulW2U> knome: Colour scheme of website is good but not sure about the shade of green
17:07 <elfy> #info First count for QA incentive will be done by Sunday for ochosi to approve
17:07 <knome> PaulW2U, we're in the middle of a meeting, can you give the feedback after this, thanks
17:07 <elfy> #info vivid beta testing is not going too well with the known issue, release team need to make a decision
17:08 <knome> elfy, can you summarize where it happens?
17:08 <elfy> #action xubuntu-release to discuss state of vivid beta and release position
17:08 * meetingology xubuntu-release to discuss state of vivid beta and release position
17:08 <elfy> knome: yes - any of the install options appear to cause various issues
17:09 <knome> ouch..
17:09 <knome> xubuntu-specific only or general?
17:09 <elfy> I need to check the live session install options - they *appear* ok
17:09 <elfy> xubuntu-specific it seems
17:09 <knome> hmpf
17:10 <knome> my opinion, not that i'm in the release team or the team lead, is that it would be important to get beta out for exploratory testing (people are interested in betas)
17:10 <elfy> of course while that specific info is just one line - it's a big one :p
17:10 <knome> if we can only make the system to install more or less cleanly..
17:10 <slickymasterWork> ftr, ^^^ that's bug 1425047
17:10 <ubottu> bug 1425047 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Install (manual partitioning) in Xubuntu Desktop i386 for Vivid Daily doesn't finish installation" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1425047
17:11 <elfy> slickymasterWork: it's not just that I'm afraid :)
17:11 <slickymasterWork> great, here I was thinking it was just sinply that :P
17:11 <elfy> kvm - don't even see the screen to install from :)
17:11 <knome> apparently there could be a trivial fix to that
17:11 <knome> but not landing before the beta
17:12 <knome> elfy, or did you test that already?
17:12 <elfy> not seen anything about fix
17:12 <elfy> test what?
17:12 <knome> aha
17:12 <knome> bluesabre sent you a line to turn off tiling
17:12 <elfy> oh if you mean bluesabre's xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/tile_on_move -s false
17:12 <knome> he also said something about running with utopic ubiquity to debug it
17:12 <knome> yes
17:12 <knome> that
17:13 <elfy> my result of that is [13:21] <elfy> bluesabre: ok - made no difference
17:13 <knome> right :(
17:13 <knome> well, let's hope we can fix it ASAP
17:13 <knome> anything else for the team updates?
17:13 <elfy> but all is not lost - it IS installable
17:13 <knome> yep :)
17:13 <elfy> just not from all options easily
17:14 <knome> yeah..
17:14 <dkessel> maybe we should send a mail to the ML informing about known working installation options
17:14 <elfy> hardware testing for all install options from livesession is not something that I can do
17:14 <elfy> dkessel: they'd be on the release note
17:14 <knome> elfy, what can't you?
17:15 <elfy> all that I CAN do is manual
17:15 <knome> oh ok
17:16 <knome> well i don't think that makes much difference if the problems are related to window positioning though
17:16 <knome> but what do i know... :)
17:16 <elfy> basically all of the dialogues are off screen
17:16 <knome> yep
17:16 <knome> since it's likely that's an xfwm bug, it shouldn't stop one from installing
17:16 <elfy> you can grab them - make sure has focus then alt+space+m then you can select move and grab it
17:16 <knome> if you can get the windows to be visible, that is
17:17 <knome> yep
17:17 <elfy> yep - I just need time to work through all the options I can do - vm's and hardware
17:17 <knome> let's follow up on this when bluesabre gets back :)
17:17 <knome> any other team updates?
17:17 <knome> slickymasterWork?
17:18 <slickymasterWork> ups sorry
17:18 <slickymasterWork> no closed from my side
17:18 <slickymasterWork> s/no/nothing
17:18 <knome> #done pleia2 published a "Xubuntu at..." blog post
17:18 <knome> ok, moving on
17:18 <slickymasterWork> working on a bunch of things, still
17:18 <knome> #topic Announcements
17:18 <knome> #info Xfce 4.12 is to be released next weekend
17:19 <knome> #info Team has got an ACK for a FFe for 4.12 uploads, will be uploaded once everything has settled
17:19 <knome> any other announcements?
17:21 <knome> #info Next freezes: UIFreeze March 12, DocStringFreeze March 19
17:21 <elfy> not that I'm aware of
17:22 <knome> #topic Discussion
17:22 <knome> i believe the core upgrade issue should be solved now
17:22 <knome> #subtopic ISO target size
17:22 <knome> anybody have comments on this?
17:22 <elfy> yes
17:22 <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-February/010606.html
17:23 <knome> go ahead :)
17:23 <elfy> my position is (and isn't likely to change) that we shouldn't constrain ourselves by the 1Gb limit - however that doesn't equate to woohoo - we've got 2 Gb - fill that space up
17:24 <knome> yep
17:24 <elfy> we should bear in mind people that might have bandwidth issues
17:24 <knome> this is what i thought when i wrote:
17:24 <knome> My suggestion on the meeting was that if we go over 1GB, our new target
17:24 <knome> should be "below or as close to 1GB as possible, but 2GB at maximum".
17:24 <knome> i think we just need a team vote on this
17:24 <elfy> yep
17:24 <slickymasterWork> that's also my position, as I already said in the ML
17:25 <knome> #action knome to follow up with ochosi on setting up a team vote - or allowing more time for discussion
17:25 * meetingology knome to follow up with ochosi on setting up a team vote - or allowing more time for discussion
17:25 <GridCube> as i said in the ML i think we should not limit to a size, but neither go adding stuff for the sake of it, just try to remain the smaller posible without feeling constrained
17:25 <elfy> GridCube: that I think is more or less what everyone is saying
17:25 <GridCube> mmhm
17:25 <knome> the technical limitation is "required" in order to the trackers to be able to notice when we've gone over a specified limit
17:26 <knome> but yeah, i don't think 2GB is really a problem, even if we decided to go ahead with the office stack change
17:26 <knome> Unit193's figures for that were like 1.1GB...
17:26 <Akusari> hello, sorry for my delay :-/
17:26 <elfy> knome: yea
17:26 <knome> #nick Unit193
17:26 <knome> (needed that for the action item)
17:27 <elfy> and on THAT note we need to try tie those other discussion into agenda
17:27 <knome> but then again 1.2GB target makes no sense, there is no 1.2GB hardware :D
17:27 <elfy> you can action me to do both of those
17:27 <knome> elfy, the other things that are already on the agenda? :D
17:28 <knome> i think it's next to useless to try to discuss them today since we are few-numbered
17:28 <elfy> knome: yea - so limit should be 2 - that doesn't mean that [team] is going to +1 filling it up
17:28 <knome> yep
17:28 <elfy> knome: there is also the game issue
17:28 <knome> right
17:28 <knome> #action elfy to add the "game issue" into the meeting agenda
17:28 * meetingology elfy to add the "game issue" into the meeting agenda
17:28 <knome> happy?
17:28 <knome> :)
17:28 <elfy> I'd not say that :p
17:28 <knome> #undo
17:28 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
17:29 <knome> #chair elfy
17:29 <meetingology> Current chairs: elfy knome
17:29 <elfy> LOL
17:29 * elfy elfy to add the "game issue" into the meeting agenda
17:29 <elfy> I meant I'd not say I was happy :D
17:29 <knome> :D
17:29 <Akusari> lol
17:29 <knome> #action elfy to add the "game issue" into the meeting agenda
17:29 * meetingology elfy to add the "game issue" into the meeting agenda
17:29 <knome> #subtopic Any other discussion
17:29 <elfy> oh silly me - forgot the #
17:30 <knome> anything else?
17:30 <knome> too bad PaulW2U got scared and left...
17:30 <elfy> nothing from me
17:31 <knome> slickymasterWork, want to bring up something?
17:31 <slickymasterWork> nopes, nothing at the moment
17:31 <knome> #topic Schedule next meeting
17:31 <elfy> ochosi for that I think
17:31 <knome> #info ochosi schedules the next meeting (XPL duty)
17:32 <knome> yep
17:32 <knome> #endmeeting