20:00 #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting 20:00 Meeting started Tue Oct 14 20:00:58 2014 UTC. The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 20:00 20:00 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 20:01 #chair knome elfy 20:01 Current chairs: elfy knome pleia2 20:01 o/ 20:01 who else is here? :) 20:01 (promised to help if needed) 20:01 who knows ... 20:01 o/ ish 20:01 o/ 20:02 #chair slickymasterWork 20:02 Current chairs: elfy knome pleia2 slickymasterWork 20:02 w00t 20:02 lol 20:02 ok 20:02 #topic Open action items 20:02 #chair skellat 20:02 Current chairs: elfy knome pleia2 skellat slickymasterWork 20:02 #done pleia2 to contact unixstickers 20:03 ooh, what's their reply? 20:03 I emailed them this morning, so we'll get a response someday :) 20:03 okay 20:03 :) 20:05 knome: re: translations list email, is that https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-October/010427.html ? 20:05 that's the last action item from last meeting 20:05 * knome checks 20:05 yes, that's the thread 20:05 yeaps 20:05 the pad is over at http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-apps-translations 20:06 and the pad is linked in the mail too 20:06 maybe it could be moved to the process page now 20:06 yep, we have an agenda item for that 20:06 okie dokie 20:06 so maybe you both should read the meetings page ;) 20:06 will you do it knome? 20:06 i will 20:06 lol 20:06 * slickymasterWork has been having a hell of a day 20:07 still working :P 20:07 heh 20:07 alright, that's all the action items 20:07 #topic Team updates 20:07 I don't think I've done anything 20:07 #done knome has worked on improving the process documentation 20:08 #info skellat has continued AskUbuntu patrol and the question mis-tagging where xubuntu is tagged instead of something else remains fairly high 20:08 #info Testing is still in the doldrums 20:09 #info RC testing isn't likely to be around till the weekend earliest 20:09 #info skellat and brainwash have been doing bug sorting/reassignments 20:09 #done knome has been working with elfy et al. planning the QA processes and improvements for the V cycle and beyond 20:10 Victorious Velociraptor! 20:12 so, any other updates? 20:12 hmm 20:13 #done bluesabre has uploaded some translation updates and bugfixes for packages 20:13 i think that's it 20:13 we're past pretty much all freezes, so quiet 20:13 ok, let's have some discussion! 20:13 #topic Translations important for Xubuntu 20:13 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-October/010427.html 20:13 #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-October/010427.html 20:13 this is the discussion 20:14 has anybody anything else to add, or should we move the list to the processes page as is (remember, it's easy enough to update) 20:15 IMO it should be moved as is 20:16 #action knome to move the "translations important for xubuntu" list to the processes page, discussion can continue when needed 20:16 * meetingology knome to move the "translations important for xubuntu" list to the processes page, discussion can continue when needed 20:16 let's move on :) 20:17 #topic Testing processes change proposal 20:17 #link http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-cycle 20:17 i think that at this point, it would be great if all team members could go through the pad, and comment where appropriate 20:18 draft it is - would be good to see responses and discussions about that on the mailing list from the rest of team if not the pad 20:18 where do I put "making a usb image is hard"? 20:18 it's important to me to get this sorted - while no-one should be expected to test all cycle long - apart from perhaps me 20:18 pleia2, add it somewhere 20:19 but if next cycle I get the same apathy then I'll be done and someone else can do it 20:19 blunt perhaps - but that's how team has made me feel about it 20:20 what's even worse is people in team talking about installing this version and not showing up on the tracker 20:20 elfy, i was thinking that after N days of commenting time, we could put up a more formalized proposal up on the list, and then run that through the minimal bureaucracy we have, then start working with the work items that pop up from that 20:20 there 20:21 pleia2, thanks ;) 20:22 Do we need to have new/improved tutorial(s) on creating USB boot devices? 20:22 knome: perhaps 20:22 skellat, i just wrote that in the pad 20:22 also I would love for team to fill in the gaps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/TeamHardware 20:22 just improve this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick 20:22 #action knome to write a more formalized proposal about the QA process improvements with elfy after N days of comments/feedback for the pad 20:22 * meetingology knome to write a more formalized proposal about the QA process improvements with elfy after N days of comments/feedback for the pad 20:23 Hmmm. So at this point not fully sure what's wanted and useful. It was almost asked, but not quite. 20:23 #action xubuntu-quality to look how they can help the ubuntu QA team to update/improve the wiki 20:23 * meetingology xubuntu-quality to look how they can help the ubuntu QA team to update/improve the wiki 20:23 #nick xubuntu-quality 20:24 please don't action me for things knome 20:24 without asking 20:24 that is :) 20:24 elfy, well i'm sorry... i was the main actioner anyway; if you don't want to do that, i'll just do it myself :P 20:24 elfy: Hate to be a pain, but that testing page, is that installs/upgrades or do live count too? 20:25 Unit193: I don't understand the question 20:25 elfy, what i mean is... i don't consider you responsible for that item :) 20:25 (even if the bot picks you up for that, so you can just ignore) 20:25 (i'll be in touch with you) 20:25 knome: well for the most part I am xubuntu-quality as most of the rest is just people's names it seems 20:25 elfy, ah... 20:26 elfy, i consider all team-items to be loose-ended and not assigned to anybody either. 20:26 #nick xubuntu-bugs 20:26 elfy, i'll probably take the first part and talk with balloons on what he thinks we (the ubuntu qa team) should improve in the wiki 20:26 #action xubuntu-bugs to collaborate more with QA and other teams during 15.04 cycle 20:26 * meetingology xubuntu-bugs to collaborate more with QA and other teams during 15.04 cycle 20:27 skellat, if you add action items, add something actionable :) 20:27 #undo 20:27 Removing item from minutes: ACTION 20:27 Unit193: livesessions are part of the iso testing if that's what you mean 20:27 but i agree that what you wrote is needed 20:27 #action xubuntu-bugs to create triage plan with QA 20:27 * meetingology xubuntu-bugs to create triage plan with QA 20:28 elfy: I can list 'hardware' if I don't have to install or otherwise touch the installation. I do of course have 2 I can (and do) run upgrade tests on. 20:29 oic sorry - that page 20:29 if you don't want me to assume you can do something don't tick it :) 20:29 pleia2, gosh, that page is like wall of text 20:29 knome: sure is 20:30 instead of million different ways to do it, i think we need one that works 20:30 they're all broken sometimes 20:30 pleia2: you'll not see me telling people to testdrive - you'll see me telling people to not do that :) 20:30 exactly knome 20:30 i would advise against testdrive as well. 20:30 elfy: yeah, but looking at the Ubuntu QA docs, they all talk about testdrive 20:31 knome: so last cycle - unetbootin was \o/ and the buntu tool was /o\ 20:31 other way round this cycle 20:31 I was looking the other day after I submitted that bug about how I was using unetbootin and a response was like "you're supposed to just use dd to copy them" 20:31 testdrive is not well maintained, and adds just another layer of possible places for bugs to hide 20:31 really? I've been doing ISO testing for 2 years and I didn't "know" you are "supposed to use dd"? 20:31 pleia2: I think the best thing is to write our own page - certainly more likely to be maintained 20:32 elfy: that would be a good start 20:32 or something under the QA team 20:32 we can push on QA team to fix their docs once we have something better 20:32 I'm kind of sick of working with the Ubuntu QA team tbh, like talking to a wall 20:32 knome: I'd certainly be making it a https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/foo page 20:32 i go to the QA team wiki, and i don't even know where i can get instructions to start helping out. 20:32 I shouldn't say that, where's the #undo for meeting logs? :) 20:32 pleia2, no, that's your official statement now :P 20:33 hehe 20:33 At least it isn't "ex cathedra" 20:33 pleia2, just threatening balloons directly usually works :P 20:33 ha ha ha 20:33 * pleia2 too polite 20:33 I thought I was the one called fairly hostile in a separate thread elsewhere. Am I the designated attack dog or something? 20:33 anyway, yes, better docs for usb sticks 20:34 skellat: I'm happy enough to work towards some sort of triage plan - but it will have to come after planning the test cycle 20:34 elfy: Agreed 20:34 I'm generally the blunt one - good to not be the only one :p 20:34 i guess i'm considered blunt as well 20:35 but at least i'm not the one spamming contributor lists full of borderline (and way out) discussions 20:35 #action QA (in conjunction with others) to sort usb docs 20:35 * meetingology QA (in conjunction with others) to sort usb docs 20:36 #undo 20:36 Removing item from minutes: ACTION 20:36 #action xubuntu-quality (in conjunction with others) to sort USB docs 20:36 * meetingology xubuntu-quality (in conjunction with others) to sort USB docs 20:36 #undo 20:36 Removing item from minutes: ACTION 20:36 :D 20:36 #action xubuntu-quality (in conjunction with others) to sort USB docs by beginning of V cycle 20:36 * meetingology xubuntu-quality (in conjunction with others) to sort USB docs by beginning of V cycle 20:36 great 20:36 lol 20:37 there - no need to go on about that next meeting :) 20:37 thank you :) 20:37 Victorious Velociraptor! 20:37 I sidetracked with my usb rant, was there other stuff on this topic? 20:37 mmm 20:37 just that everybody in team should read it 20:37 and comment if they feel like it 20:37 * pleia2 nods 20:37 i mean, 20:38 pleia2: If we can't get USB booting to work, that damages testing greatly. That's not a sidetrack at all. 20:38 if they have anything to comment 20:38 #action xubuntu-team to read http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-cycle and comment 20:38 * meetingology xubuntu-team to read http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-cycle and comment 20:38 #nick xubuntu-team 20:38 skellat: could be I'm just stupid :) 20:38 pleia2: No, I've seen those issues too 20:39 good 20:39 And I use dd 20:39 so has more or less everyone this cycle 20:39 maybe you're both just stupid 20:39 ugh, can i take that off from the logs? ;P 20:39 and then you get vbox issues if you're using that 20:39 I have real hardware, I feel my testing time is most valuable there, vbox is when I'm lazy 20:40 talking of which ... 20:40 if nothing happens between now and the 23rd we'll be stuck with 2 issues I know of 20:40 Which are? 20:40 the black background - which is us specific 20:41 and the tty1/tty7 issue in vbox which I think is *buntu wide 20:41 Do we have bug numbers? 20:42 bug 1378423 for the vbox one 20:42 no 20:42 :P 20:42 bug 1378423 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Virtualbox boots to black screen with daily" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1378423 20:42 bug 1375893 for the background 20:42 bug 1375893 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Black background to Try/Install Dialogue" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1375893 20:45 And neither with much traction in the bug reports 20:46 elfy: Has there been anything from balloons level on those? 20:46 skellat: balloons is more than aware of the vbox issue 20:46 * elfy has done nothing BUT find vbox issues this cycle ... 20:47 and ochosi has been trying to catch up with xnox re the other - if anyone else sees xnox try and grab him about it 20:47 we've had the same thing before 20:47 * pleia2 nods 20:48 Have we had any lateral interaction with other flavors on the vbox bug? 20:48 next meeting? 20:48 I'm ready to move on if elfy is 20:48 it's up to elfy the next one 20:48 skellat: I tried some of that in other cycles 20:48 and I shall test lots if I can get my usb sticks to behave! 20:48 pleia2: yep - move on - it's just morped now 20:48 #topic Schedule next meeting 20:49 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Xubuntu+Team+Meeting&iso=20141021T20&ah=1 20:49 elfy is up next too 20:49 then 20:49 in a week? 20:49 ok 20:49 next Tuesday same time - 2 days before release 20:49 ACK 20:49 dito 20:49 meeting agenda: TEST ISOS YOU LAZY GITS 20:49 knome: so if it's not next week - it's in VV ;) 20:49 :D 20:50 elfy, yep 20:50 thanks elfy :) 20:50 why can't i sync my calendar.. 20:50 #action elfy to announce next meeting 20:50 * meetingology elfy to announce next meeting 20:50 #endmeeting