== Meeting information ==
 * #xubuntu-devel Meeting, 03 Apr at 19:00 — 19:33 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-04-03-19.00.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== #Team Updates ===
The discussion about "#Team Updates" started at 19:01.


=== Team Updates ===
The discussion about "Team Updates" started at 19:01.

  * Wallpaper is still waiting for an upload
  * ochosi drafted post about screen locker
  * knome has worked on the website code a bit and planning to land a new revision to production before release
  * [xubuntu-qa] Image testing 64bit - 2
  * [xubuntu-qa] Upgrade testing 32bit - 5 total incl 3 LTS to LTS
  * [xubuntu-qa] Upgrade testing 64bit - 7 total incl 5 LTS to LTS
  * [xubuntu-qa] Repeating upgrade test call - including -users

=== IBus issue update ===
The discussion about "IBus issue update" started at 19:05.

  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1284635 

=== Other business ===
The discussion about "Other business" started at 19:16.




== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * pleia2 (41)
 * knome (16)
 * lenny (14)
 * elfy (14)
 * brainwash (13)
 * bluesabre (13)
 * jhenke (9)
 * Unit193 (5)
 * meetingology (3)
 * ubottu (2)



== Full Log ==


 19:00 <pleia2> #startmeeting

 19:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Apr  3 19:00:26 2014 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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 19:01 <pleia2> Our last meeting info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/Minutes/2014-03-27

 19:01 <knome> pleia2, <3

 19:01 <pleia2> #topic #Team Updates

 19:01 <pleia2> #topic Team Updates

 19:02 <pleia2> (we'll talk about the ibus thing later)

 19:02 <pleia2> any updates?

 19:02 <knome> i don't have much updates

 19:02 <knome> #info Wallpaper is still waiting for an upload

 19:02 <pleia2> #info ochosi drafted post about screen locker

 19:02 <pleia2> those with access, review would be appreciated :)

 19:03 <knome> #info knome has worked on the website code a bit and planning to land a new revision to production before release

 19:03 <knome> i've reviewed that article once, can do again when/if more changes are introduced

 19:03 <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] Image testing 64bit - 2

 19:03 <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] Upgrade testing 32bit - 5 total incl 3 LTS to LTS

 19:03 <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] Upgrade testing 64bit - 7 total incl 5 LTS to LTS

 19:03 <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] Repeating upgrade test call - including -users

 19:03 <pleia2> \o/

 19:03 <knome> cool, better than i thought ;)

 19:03 <knome> but still room for improvement

 19:03 <elfy> pleia2: I looked too - did as I promised ochosi and added a bit re screensaver and ligtlocker

 19:04 <pleia2> elfy: oh good, those were good additions

 19:04 <elfy> knome: yea - as I said I'll call again and include -users this time

 19:04 <pleia2> any other updates?

 19:04 <knome> well, people have worked on bugs

 19:05 <knome> i can't see much other news really

 19:05 * pleia2 nods

 19:05 <bluesabre> o/

 19:05 <pleia2> #topic IBus issue update

 19:05 <knome> hey bluesabre

 19:05 <bluesabre> hey everyone

 19:05 <pleia2> I chatted with knome and elfy about this this morning, elfy is following up with a couple folks dholbach recommended talking to

 19:05 <pleia2> welcome bluesabre

 19:06 <bluesabre> I'm partially here :)

 19:06 <knome> bluesabre, tell us some tips to being in multiple places at once after the meeting please ;)

 19:06 <elfy> currently talking to seb bacher

 19:06 <pleia2> elfy: yay!

 19:06 <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1284635

 19:07 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1284635 in ibus (Ubuntu Trusty) "Keyboard layout changes after login" [High,Confirmed]

 19:07 <elfy> seb128> elfy, I guess if I say 'patches are welcome' it doesn't help you?

 19:07 <jhenke> is there a realistic chance the issue get fixed before april 17th?

 19:07 <pleia2> the bug in question, which pretty much broke on all the flavors

 19:07 <knome> except kubuntu ;)

 19:08 <knome> jhenke, it's really hard to assess that, depends how seriously canonical employees are taking the issue (and the policy to have to fix what you broke, even if it doesn't affect you)

 19:09 <jhenke> knome okay, but I guess that is the core question about the issue

 19:09 <Unit193> Could just drop it like a hot potato.

 19:10 <knome> we can avoid the issue by not seeding ibus by default, but that might make some other people less happy

 19:10 <pleia2> what is it needed for?

 19:10 <jhenke> I think some languages, especially asian ones, need it to write their letters

 19:11 <jhenke> e.g. chinese letters, but also vietnamse can be written by it

 19:11 <pleia2> ah, yeah that's important

 19:11 <jhenke> as those languages do not nessesary have all their letters mapped to keybard keys

 19:12 <pleia2> the rest of the Ubuntu CC will help nudge this along if elfy hits a wall

 19:12 <pleia2> anything else on this topic?

 19:13 <jhenke> well it seriously breaks xubuntu on default for everybody

 19:13 <jhenke> but I guess that is known...

 19:13 * jhenke hides

 19:15 <pleia2> indeed, it's bad

 19:15 <elfy> can those with access - give the QA recap blog article a once over - it's done - except for last minute number crunching

 19:15 <pleia2> elfy: can they revert the patch that broke it and make them come up with another solution? :)

 19:15 <bluesabre> elfy: I'll try to take a look tonight

 19:16 <elfy> cheers

 19:16 <pleia2> thanks for chasing this down, elfy

 19:16 <pleia2> #topic Other business

 19:17 <pleia2> anything else?

 19:17 <brainwash> they also changed indicator-sound, so it's now unchecked in autostart applications and the user needs to enable it, otherwise it won't launch automatically on session start

 19:17 <elfy> we might return to it shortly ...

 19:17 <pleia2> "they"?

 19:18 <brainwash> indicator devs

 19:18 <brainwash> ubuntu guys

 19:18 <brainwash> "they"

 19:18 <knome> why?

 19:18 <brainwash> I don't know

 19:18 <bluesabre> definitely not to troll us...

 19:18 <pleia2> lol

 19:18 <bluesabre> but since xfce and unity are the only ones that use indicator-sound... it seems odd

 19:19 <bluesabre> (to my understanding)

 19:19 <brainwash> we should either stop using the upstart user session or use upstart to launch the indicator stack

 19:20 * Unit193 is still confused as to why we use the upstart user session.

 19:20 <brainwash> or blacklist the upstart launcher for indicator-sound

 19:20 <brainwash> it's complicated

 19:21 <brainwash> Unit193: because we did not tell them, that we don't want to use it

 19:21 <Unit193> brainwash: And the benefit of using it is?  To restart things if they crash?

 19:22 <brainwash> user upstart job management

 19:22 <brainwash> not sure if xubuntu/xfce actually benefits from it

 19:25 <pleia2> anything else we need to talk about?

 19:26 <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone

 19:26 <bluesabre> quick q

 19:26 <pleia2> sure

 19:27 <bluesabre> has anybody made progress on the ubiquity wallpaper?  I think its assigned to xnox, right?

 19:27 <bluesabre> or has that already been discussed? :)

 19:27 <brainwash> ochosi has added a comment to the bug report

 19:27 <elfy> bug number ?

 19:28 <brainwash> bug 1284910

 19:28 <ubottu> bug 1284910 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu Beta 1 and Beta 2 installer has debian background wallpaper" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284910

 19:28 <lenny> critical? :P

 19:29 <pleia2> it does look pretty bad

 19:29 <bluesabre> we're quite partial to our wallpapers :)

 19:29 <pleia2> not thrilled with so obviously shipping debian branding in xubuntu either

 19:30 <Unit193> Debian wallpaper doesn't really bother me, kind of funny.

 19:30 <lenny> dpkg -l | grep debian

 19:30 <lenny> ii  debianutils                                 4.4                                    amd64        Miscellaneous utilities specific to Debian

 19:30 <lenny> ii  gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3:amd64             0.10.23.debian-3                       amd64        Fluendo mp3 decoder GStreamer 0.10 plugin

 19:30 <lenny> ii  gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3:amd64              0.10.23.debian-3                       amd64        Fluendo mp3 decoder GStreamer 1.0 plugin

 19:30 <elfy> is the installed wallpaper issue effectively the same one ?

 19:30 <lenny> ii  intltool-debian                             0.35.0+20060710.1                      all          Help i18n of RFC822 compliant config files

 19:30 <pleia2> I love debian, but we aren't debian, it is bad for both of us

 19:30 <lenny> ii  libcdparanoia0:amd64                        3.10.2+debian-11                       amd64        audio extraction tool for sampling CDs (library)

 19:30 <lenny> ii  libgdome2-0                                 0.8.1+debian-6                         amd64        DOM level2 library for accessing XML files

 19:30 <lenny> ii  libparse-debianchangelog-perl               1.2.0-1ubuntu1                         all          parse Debian changelogs and output them in other formats

 19:30 <lenny> ii  libparted0debian1:amd64                     2.3-18                                 amd64        disk partition manipulator - shared library

 19:30 <lenny> ii  libsdl1.2debian:amd64                       1.2.15-8ubuntu1                        amd64        Simple DirectMedia Layer

 19:30 <elfy> lenny: did you really have to do that :|

 19:30 <lenny> ii  python-debian                               0.1.21+nmu2ubuntu2                     all          Python modules to work with Debian-related data formats

 19:30 <pleia2> lenny: please stop

 19:31 <lenny> sorry, didn't mean to do all in seperate

 19:31 <pleia2> that's not "obvious"

 19:31 <pleia2> a big wallpaper in our installer is

 19:31 <lenny> yeah, I guess

 19:31 <jhenke> lenny we all know that there are plenty of packets with debian references, not the poin here

 19:32 <bluesabre> first impressions are important

 19:32 * pleia2 nods

 19:32 <Unit193> Sadly, yes, yes they are.

 19:33 <bluesabre> ok, well I don't have anything else to add

 19:33 <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone

 19:33 <knome> thanks pleia2

 19:33 <pleia2> #endmeeting



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