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19:01 <pleia2> Our last meeting info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/Minutes/2014-03-27
19:01 <knome> pleia2, <3
19:01 <pleia2> #topic #Team Updates
19:01 <pleia2> #topic Team Updates
19:02 <pleia2> (we'll talk about the ibus thing later)
19:02 <pleia2> any updates?
19:02 <knome> i don't have much updates
19:02 <knome> #info Wallpaper is still waiting for an upload
19:02 <pleia2> #info ochosi drafted post about screen locker
19:02 <pleia2> those with access, review would be appreciated :)
19:03 <knome> #info knome has worked on the website code a bit and planning to land a new revision to production before release
19:03 <knome> i've reviewed that article once, can do again when/if more changes are introduced
19:03 <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] Image testing 64bit - 2
19:03 <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] Upgrade testing 32bit - 5 total incl 3 LTS to LTS
19:03 <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] Upgrade testing 64bit - 7 total incl 5 LTS to LTS
19:03 <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] Repeating upgrade test call - including -users
19:03 <pleia2> \o/
19:03 <knome> cool, better than i thought ;)
19:03 <knome> but still room for improvement
19:03 <elfy> pleia2: I looked too - did as I promised ochosi and added a bit re screensaver and ligtlocker
19:04 <pleia2> elfy: oh good, those were good additions
19:04 <elfy> knome: yea - as I said I'll call again and include -users this time
19:04 <pleia2> any other updates?
19:04 <knome> well, people have worked on bugs
19:05 <knome> i can't see much other news really
19:05 * pleia2 nods
19:05 <bluesabre> o/
19:05 <pleia2> #topic IBus issue update
19:05 <knome> hey bluesabre
19:05 <bluesabre> hey everyone
19:05 <pleia2> I chatted with knome and elfy about this this morning, elfy is following up with a couple folks dholbach recommended talking to
19:05 <pleia2> welcome bluesabre
19:06 <bluesabre> I'm partially here :)
19:06 <knome> bluesabre, tell us some tips to being in multiple places at once after the meeting please ;)
19:06 <elfy> currently talking to seb bacher
19:06 <pleia2> elfy: yay!
19:06 <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1284635
19:07 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1284635 in ibus (Ubuntu Trusty) "Keyboard layout changes after login" [High,Confirmed]
19:07 <elfy> seb128> elfy, I guess if I say 'patches are welcome' it doesn't help you?
19:07 <jhenke> is there a realistic chance the issue get fixed before april 17th?
19:07 <pleia2> the bug in question, which pretty much broke on all the flavors
19:07 <knome> except kubuntu ;)
19:08 <knome> jhenke, it's really hard to assess that, depends how seriously canonical employees are taking the issue (and the policy to have to fix what you broke, even if it doesn't affect you)
19:09 <jhenke> knome okay, but I guess that is the core question about the issue
19:09 <Unit193> Could just drop it like a hot potato.
19:10 <knome> we can avoid the issue by not seeding ibus by default, but that might make some other people less happy
19:10 <pleia2> what is it needed for?
19:10 <jhenke> I think some languages, especially asian ones, need it to write their letters
19:11 <jhenke> e.g. chinese letters, but also vietnamse can be written by it
19:11 <pleia2> ah, yeah that's important
19:11 <jhenke> as those languages do not nessesary have all their letters mapped to keybard keys
19:12 <pleia2> the rest of the Ubuntu CC will help nudge this along if elfy hits a wall
19:12 <pleia2> anything else on this topic?
19:13 <jhenke> well it seriously breaks xubuntu on default for everybody
19:13 <jhenke> but I guess that is known...
19:13 * jhenke hides
19:15 <pleia2> indeed, it's bad
19:15 <elfy> can those with access - give the QA recap blog article a once over - it's done - except for last minute number crunching
19:15 <pleia2> elfy: can they revert the patch that broke it and make them come up with another solution? :)
19:15 <bluesabre> elfy: I'll try to take a look tonight
19:16 <elfy> cheers
19:16 <pleia2> thanks for chasing this down, elfy
19:16 <pleia2> #topic Other business
19:17 <pleia2> anything else?
19:17 <brainwash> they also changed indicator-sound, so it's now unchecked in autostart applications and the user needs to enable it, otherwise it won't launch automatically on session start
19:17 <elfy> we might return to it shortly ...
19:17 <pleia2> "they"?
19:18 <brainwash> indicator devs
19:18 <brainwash> ubuntu guys
19:18 <brainwash> "they"
19:18 <knome> why?
19:18 <brainwash> I don't know
19:18 <bluesabre> definitely not to troll us...
19:18 <pleia2> lol
19:18 <bluesabre> but since xfce and unity are the only ones that use indicator-sound... it seems odd
19:19 <bluesabre> (to my understanding)
19:19 <brainwash> we should either stop using the upstart user session or use upstart to launch the indicator stack
19:20 * Unit193 is still confused as to why we use the upstart user session.
19:20 <brainwash> or blacklist the upstart launcher for indicator-sound
19:20 <brainwash> it's complicated
19:21 <brainwash> Unit193: because we did not tell them, that we don't want to use it
19:21 <Unit193> brainwash: And the benefit of using it is?  To restart things if they crash?
19:22 <brainwash> user upstart job management
19:22 <brainwash> not sure if xubuntu/xfce actually benefits from it
19:25 <pleia2> anything else we need to talk about?
19:26 <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone
19:26 <bluesabre> quick q
19:26 <pleia2> sure
19:27 <bluesabre> has anybody made progress on the ubiquity wallpaper?  I think its assigned to xnox, right?
19:27 <bluesabre> or has that already been discussed? :)
19:27 <brainwash> ochosi has added a comment to the bug report
19:27 <elfy> bug number ?
19:28 <brainwash> bug 1284910
19:28 <ubottu> bug 1284910 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu Beta 1 and Beta 2 installer has debian background wallpaper" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284910
19:28 <lenny> critical? :P
19:29 <pleia2> it does look pretty bad
19:29 <bluesabre> we're quite partial to our wallpapers :)
19:29 <pleia2> not thrilled with so obviously shipping debian branding in xubuntu either
19:30 <Unit193> Debian wallpaper doesn't really bother me, kind of funny.
19:30 <lenny> dpkg -l | grep debian
19:30 <lenny> ii  debianutils                                 4.4                                    amd64        Miscellaneous utilities specific to Debian
19:30 <lenny> ii  gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3:amd64             0.10.23.debian-3                       amd64        Fluendo mp3 decoder GStreamer 0.10 plugin
19:30 <lenny> ii  gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3:amd64              0.10.23.debian-3                       amd64        Fluendo mp3 decoder GStreamer 1.0 plugin
19:30 <elfy> is the installed wallpaper issue effectively the same one ?
19:30 <lenny> ii  intltool-debian                             0.35.0+20060710.1                      all          Help i18n of RFC822 compliant config files
19:30 <pleia2> I love debian, but we aren't debian, it is bad for both of us
19:30 <lenny> ii  libcdparanoia0:amd64                        3.10.2+debian-11                       amd64        audio extraction tool for sampling CDs (library)
19:30 <lenny> ii  libgdome2-0                                 0.8.1+debian-6                         amd64        DOM level2 library for accessing XML files
19:30 <lenny> ii  libparse-debianchangelog-perl               1.2.0-1ubuntu1                         all          parse Debian changelogs and output them in other formats
19:30 <lenny> ii  libparted0debian1:amd64                     2.3-18                                 amd64        disk partition manipulator - shared library
19:30 <lenny> ii  libsdl1.2debian:amd64                       1.2.15-8ubuntu1                        amd64        Simple DirectMedia Layer
19:30 <elfy> lenny: did you really have to do that :|
19:30 <lenny> ii  python-debian                               0.1.21+nmu2ubuntu2                     all          Python modules to work with Debian-related data formats
19:30 <pleia2> lenny: please stop
19:31 <lenny> sorry, didn't mean to do all in seperate
19:31 <pleia2> that's not "obvious"
19:31 <pleia2> a big wallpaper in our installer is
19:31 <lenny> yeah, I guess
19:31 <jhenke> lenny we all know that there are plenty of packets with debian references, not the poin here
19:32 <bluesabre> first impressions are important
19:32 * pleia2 nods
19:32 <Unit193> Sadly, yes, yes they are.
19:33 <bluesabre> ok, well I don't have anything else to add
19:33 <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone
19:33 <knome> thanks pleia2
19:33 <pleia2> #endmeeting