18:57 #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting 18:57 Meeting started Thu Jan 9 18:57:46 2014 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 18:57 18:57 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 18:58 i'm starting the meeting now because i might need to run at some point 18:58 o/ 18:58 crap, i'll only be halfway here... 18:58 say hi if you are around, and team leaders, stop lurking so i can make you chair the meeting 18:58 just finishing up 18:58 o/ 18:58 elfy, like to chair? 18:58 hi 18:58 hey jjfrv8, or you ^ 18:58 ~I hate to chair 18:58 no idea how 18:58 hi 18:59 will if no-one else is about 18:59 jjfrv8, i can give you a quick tutorial 18:59 maybe some other time? 18:59 sure 18:59 #chair elfy 18:59 Current chairs: elfy knome 18:59 elfy, you can now #chair other people if they appear and i'm not here to do that. 18:59 k 18:59 i guess i can start with the bureaucracy 19:00 #topic Items carried on 19:00 #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting 19:00 #action ali1234 to keep an eye on SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 19:00 * meetingology ali1234 to keep an eye on SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 19:00 ali1234, ? 19:00 ah poop 19:00 brb 19:00 it's in saucy-updates now, landed a couple of days ago 19:00 congrats 19:01 here now - sergio-br2 I'll talk to you about nvidia after the meeting 19:02 ok 19:02 ali1234, do you want to carry on that item? 19:02 carry it on? 19:02 it's fixed now afaik 19:02 make it pop up in the next meeting 19:02 okay, 19:02 #undo 19:02 Removing item from minutes: 19:02 i guess not 19:02 #action elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at 19:02 * meetingology elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at 19:02 elfy, want to carry on or was that mostly a remark? 19:03 have you got more things to test already? 19:03 was mostly a remark - I've been running with the ppas we have constantly now 19:03 #undo 19:03 Removing item from minutes: 19:03 okay 19:03 #action ochosi and knome to come up with more testing stuff late 19:03 * meetingology ochosi and knome to come up with more testing stuff late 19:03 #undo 19:03 Removing item from minutes: 19:04 #action ochosi and knome to come up with more testing stuff later (within a week) 19:04 * meetingology ochosi and knome to come up with more testing stuff later (within a week) 19:04 #action knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position 19:04 * meetingology knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position 19:04 TBD, carrying on 19:04 what testing stuff is that? ^^ 19:04 the things we are supposed to have 19:04 we went through the -features BP, and i'm much better on top of that now 19:04 right - well if we can get that conversation in during the next week - then I'm currently on the week off cycle 19:04 so basically the same, but i hope we'll have new versions and that kind of stuff soon 19:05 and can be about 19:05 sure, will try to push towards that 19:05 #action ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back 19:05 * meetingology ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back 19:05 ochosi, ? 19:06 come back to him :) 19:06 * knome slaps ochosi 19:06 #info Team members wanting things tested need to ensure a mail get's sent to the -dev list 19:06 mm, well, there have been a few releases 19:06 but we're still waiting for the panel 19:07 ochosi, no news about the final 4.12 release? 19:07 not really 19:07 oki 19:07 #topic Team updates 19:07 please use #info and #action as necessary 19:07 (as there are still dev-releases missing and nick seems busy...) 19:08 #info knome and ochosi went through https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-features, which now has updated whiteboard and work items statuses 19:08 #info knome finished the finnish tranlsation for xubuntu docs 19:08 #info knome worked on the website, new release planned soon 19:08 #undo 19:08 Removing item from minutes: 19:08 #info knome worked on the website, refreshing release planned soon 19:08 oh, the terminal crash fix also just went into saucy-updates :) 19:09 ali1234, with #info please 19:09 (and would be helpful if you can point to a bug number) 19:09 #info slickymaster finished the portuguese translation for xubuntu docs 19:09 bug 1206739 19:09 bug 1206739 in xfce4-terminal (Ubuntu) "xfce4-terminal crashed with SIGSEGV in magazine_chain_pop_head()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1206739 19:09 #info ochosi and bluesabre worked on light-locker theming 19:10 #info bugfix for 1206739 got into saucy-updates 19:10 s/light-locker/lightdm-gtk-greeter/ 19:10 whatever! :P 19:10 sry, something came up, gotta run... 19:10 :/ 19:11 np 19:11 will assign loads of tasks to you for that 19:11 is there anything else? 19:11 #info bugfix for 1208204 (indicator-sound-gtk2) also got into saucy-updates 19:11 #info work towards use of autopilot is still ongoing - but it's unlikely to get there this cycle 19:11 #info package testing moving on - calling for seperate sections every couple of weeks 19:11 #info checking of required testcases for each call being lined up by -qa 19:12 #info iso testing - moves forward as always 19:12 #info calls have been going out to -testers 19:12 #info calls having little effect on reported numbers 19:12 #action elfy and knome/ochosi to discuss lightlocker testing - perhaps include old post install testing in that 19:12 * meetingology elfy and knome/ochosi to discuss lightlocker testing - perhaps include old post install testing in that 19:12 #info we need to be moving towards getting testcase for the other new stuff in the next week or so 19:13 elfy, let's also discuss the future of -testers 19:13 #action elfy to discuss future of -testers with knome 19:13 * meetingology elfy to discuss future of -testers with knome 19:13 #info alpha 2 is in 2 weeks 19:14 if we still don't have a properly booting image then I see no point in doing it 19:14 #info feature freeze is in 6 weeks 19:14 elfy, what was holding it again? the session bug? 19:14 yep 19:14 will get that updated 19:14 /uploaded 19:14 ok 19:14 * knome promises, so it'll happen 19:15 i will try to get the fix soon ASAP 19:15 xnox, ^ 19:15 #action knome will get session bug fix uploaded 19:15 * meetingology knome will get session bug fix uploaded 19:15 :p 19:15 anything else for the updates? 19:15 elfy, works for me :P 19:15 welcome Noskcaj 19:15 #topic Announcements 19:15 no more updates here 19:16 hey knome 19:16 one sec 19:16 #info slickymaster is applying for ubuntu membership, go give him testimonials at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster if you are familiar with his work 19:16 #info Noskcaj needs more testimonials for xubuntu packageset, add them at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj#Xubuntu_PackageSet 19:16 #info Noskcaj is part-way through applyignfor motu and xubuntu packageset via email 19:16 #info libxfce4ui is waiting for a sponsor to upload it to trusty 19:16 #info debian will upload more 4.11 components this month 19:16 #info debian have fixed the power manager systemd issue in svn, it should be uploaded soon 19:16 #info gthumb 3.2.6 is now uploaded and web-plugins are re-enabled 19:16 #info prpltwtr will release sometime this month 19:17 #info Noskcaj is now on the bug control team 19:17 Noskcaj, thanks 19:18 other announcements from leaders? 19:18 no 19:19 #topic New and emerging items 19:19 #subtopic Which GTK3 indicators are we going to ship? 19:19 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators 19:19 ochosi wanted -power and -messages in 19:19 ship ALL the indicators! 19:20 yeah, i was wondering if there is any reason *not* to *ship* them all? 19:20 actally yes there is 19:20 well go ahead and tell us :) 19:21 -datetime is probably not a good idea because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1074314 19:21 Ubuntu bug 1074314 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "indicator-datetime configuration panel only works in Unity session" [Undecided,Confirmed] 19:21 -session doesn't really work properly with light-locker and xfce-session stuff 19:21 all the others seem okay though 19:22 okay 19:22 -power needs to be patched to launch xfce4-power-manager, or? 19:22 only got 3 working here - messages/sound and the clock one 19:22 oh and shipping them == having them running in the default setup, unless you blacklist them 19:22 i don't use power (not a laptop) 19:23 brainwash_, i guess that's the case but afaik there's a fix incoming 19:23 ali1234, yep, i acknowledge shipping is using :) 19:23 but aren't the current panel plugins more lightweight and stable? 19:23 not really 19:24 the sound plugin doesn't really work at all with PA, and there is no plugin for indicator-messages or -sync 19:25 do we want to discuss this further or are we ok? 19:25 bluman is kind of unmaintained now also 19:25 not talking about the ones which don't have a panel plugin equivalent 19:25 we're going to need to switch to gtk3 indicators at some point anyway 19:26 if not for other reasons, to avoid maintaining the whole gtk2 indicator stack 19:26 well ignoring datetime, session, bluetooth, sound, messages... there is not much left really 19:26 brainwash_, do you know for sure there is some problems with them, or are you just concerned about lightness? 19:26 oh and -application is miles better than the notification plugin which doesn't work properly on dual monitor and never will 19:27 doesn't work here ali1234 19:27 I don't have any numbers 19:27 elfy, do you have a bug filed? 19:27 elfy: because of that stupid upstart bug. it's being fixed 19:27 ali1234, Blueman is semi-active again. https://github.com/cschramm/blueman 19:27 ali1234: right ok 19:27 ali1234, good to know 19:28 anything else on the subject? 19:28 i talked to tedg about it couple of days ago. apparently he has a plan 19:28 i'll continue to follow up on that 19:28 ali1234, thanks 19:28 #action ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status 19:28 * meetingology ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status 19:28 #subtopic Enabling more people to push to Xubuntu branches 19:28 blueman is much better than the bluetooth thing of gnome... will it be change? 19:28 so, we discussed this briefly with ochosi... 19:28 ops, sorry 19:29 sergio-br2, that's not the question:) 19:29 currently, only people in -dev can push to xubuntu branches 19:29 we were wondering if it was possible to allow more people to push into the branches 19:29 either via creating a new team, like -branches, or assigning them to -team 19:29 micahg, do you have any insight on this? 19:30 (are you even around?) 19:30 so - -dev is effectively just micahg atm ? 19:30 elfy, yes 19:30 elfy, Yup 19:30 And all of core-dev 19:30 thought that was the case 19:30 we're looking to get more people in -dev though, but even then... 19:31 yep - it's an issue for sure 19:31 i mean -team is already moderated, and we have some amount of trust for the members already 19:31 so we don't expect them to do foolish things with the branches 19:31 * Noskcaj needs a testimonial from knome 19:31 knome: I can agree with that 19:32 +1 19:32 if -dev members or DMB thinks we can't allow -team to push to branches, we should look at creating a new team which would have push rights, but a bit looser membership requirements than -dev 19:32 but i guess we need to postpone this, because neither ochosi or micahg are around 19:32 Noskcaj, i can only give a non-technical one, but i will do that once i have time 19:32 Noskcaj, (and can clear my thoughts for it) 19:33 #subtopic Schedule next meeting 19:33 knome, ty 19:33 knome: maybe set up a specific meeting for you ochosi and micahg - not really something we should leave hanging 19:33 #info Next meeting Jan 16, 19UTC 19:33 and those interested of course 19:33 elfy, will be in touch with them, but want to get it through the community meeting :) 19:33 :) 19:34 #endmeeting