14:56:38 <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
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14:56:44 <knome> #chair pleia2
14:56:44 <meetingology> Current chairs: knome pleia2
14:56:53 <knome> #topic Items carried on
14:57:03 <knome> #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting
14:57:28 <knome> seems to be none that are still appropriate/not obsolete
14:57:41 <knome> #subtopic Disable compositor in live CD
14:57:53 <knome> #info Compositor is disabled in the "Install Xubuntu" mode in the live CD
14:58:28 <bluesabre> yay
14:58:30 <knome> #subtopic Do we want to run encryption -tests for milestones?
14:58:38 <knome> #info Postponing until R
14:58:47 <knome> #subtopic Testcases feedback
14:59:06 <knome> #info New testcases up at the ISO tracker, please see eg. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/23726/testcases
14:59:25 <knome> #info If something is inaccurate, please send email to the xubuntu-devel mailing list
14:59:45 <knome> #subtopic Xfce4 display dialog
14:59:50 <knome> #info Postponed until R
14:59:58 <knome> #subtopic Strategy Document review
15:00:19 <knome> #info The new Strategy Document is published at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument
15:00:26 <knome> #topic Team updates
15:00:38 <knome> #subtopic Development
15:00:50 <knome> is there anything worth mentioning since the last meeting?
15:00:56 * micahg wonders why the meeting started early...
15:00:58 <knome> (eg. in the last month)
15:01:06 <pleia2> knome got excited :)
15:01:07 <knome> micahg, because i was simply running the old stuff away :)
15:01:21 <knome> micahg, i knew there wasn't anything to comment on those really...
15:01:25 <bluesabre> indicator-messages won't be making it, but that's not really news-worthy
15:01:43 <knome> #info Re-introducing indicators, except indicator-messages
15:02:24 <knome> i believe it's mostly been bugfixes and fighting agains the windmills after FFe
15:02:30 <knome> #subtopic QA
15:02:38 <knome> #info New testcases up at the ISO tracker
15:03:01 <knome> #info We need more tests for Beta 2, since we skipped Beta 1
15:03:10 <knome> #subtopic Marketing, Promotion and Artwork
15:03:29 <knome> #info Xfwm window borders fixed (2px for Q)
15:03:40 <knome> #info Lots of other bugfixes in too
15:03:42 <pleia2> #info sent off a request for quote on some casebadge stickers
15:04:19 <knome> #info Countdown banners designed, see http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/branding_exports/countdown_quantal.png for a quick preview
15:04:47 <bluesabre> +1
15:04:53 <bluesabre> brb
15:04:54 <pleia2> #fleshed out our "marketing audience" on the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing so we can work on some flyers for events
15:05:03 <pleia2> #info fleshed out our "marketing audience" on the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing so we can work on some flyers for events
15:05:09 <knome> hehe:)
15:05:17 <pleia2> #action pleia2 to draft text for flyers this week
15:05:17 * meetingology pleia2 to draft text for flyers this week
15:05:44 <knome> #action knome to draft flyer looks hopefully before UDS
15:05:44 * meetingology knome to draft flyer looks hopefully before UDS
15:06:08 <knome> #action knome to get new countdown banners uploaded
15:06:08 * meetingology knome to get new countdown banners uploaded
15:06:22 <pleia2> #info website, wiki and help.ubuntu.com/community docs are looking good! we'll probably revisit them as a review next cycle
15:06:50 <knome> #action mr_pouit to upload updates to xubuntu-artwork (theme bugfixes and elementary-xfce USC icon change)
15:06:50 * meetingology mr_pouit to upload updates to xubuntu-artwork (theme bugfixes and elementary-xfce USC icon change)
15:07:12 <knome> is that it for m&p&a ?
15:07:27 <pleia2> I think so
15:07:38 <knome> oh
15:08:09 <knome> #info "Dotless" wallpaper uploaded for LightDM and Plymouth since they don't scale wallpapers well
15:08:20 <knome> #subtopic Documentation and Website
15:08:34 <pleia2> ah well, got website :)
15:08:41 <knome> #info The documentation is now written, reviewed and converted to DocBook
15:09:09 <knome> #info The docs will most probably land into B2, they'll be reviewed today to granted an upload permission
15:09:15 <knome> *to grant?
15:09:17 <knome> oh well..
15:09:29 <pleia2> \o/
15:09:35 <SkippersBoss> :-)
15:09:46 <pleia2> thanks for your work, everyone :)
15:10:21 <knome> #info Thanks for everybody contributing to the docs; bluesabre, elfy, jjfrv8, myself :P, ochosi, pleia2, SkippersBoss, smartboyhw, and others that are not online and/or i've forgotten
15:10:31 <smartboyhw> :)
15:10:38 <knome> #topic Announcements
15:10:51 <knome> oh, did somebody have general updates?
15:11:21 <pleia2> not strictly project news, but I'm going to be out of the country from Oct 10 through UDS, so someone else will need to handle release notes
15:11:41 <pleia2> and any other website stuff that comes up :)
15:11:46 <knome> i talked with ochosi about that, and i think well get that sorted
15:11:49 <pleia2> great
15:11:57 <knome> yes ma'am, ready to work o>
15:12:33 <knome> #info Release notes need writers, for Beta 2 and Final release
15:12:43 <knome> #info Beta 2 freeze is TOMORROW 21UTC
15:13:06 <SkippersBoss> if i can help OOPS that's quick
15:13:15 <smartboyhw> :)
15:13:23 <knome> SkippersBoss, that's just the freeze, b2 release is next thursday :)
15:13:46 <SkippersBoss> let me knmow what to do and where i can find it
15:13:57 <knome> SkippersBoss, we'll send email to the -devel list
15:14:22 <micahg> oversizedness
15:14:23 <knome> ok, let's advance
15:14:27 <knome> micahg, yeah
15:14:34 <knome> #topic New and emerging items
15:14:43 <knome> #subtopic ISO oversizedness
15:15:05 <SkippersBoss> for the amd64 variant only
15:15:05 <knome> #info We are currently at 708MB for amd64 and 693MB for i386
15:15:12 <pleia2> I love it and it would make me sad, but dropping gimp?
15:15:20 <knome> pleia2, that's dropped already \o/
15:15:27 <pleia2> oh now I am sad!
15:15:28 <knome> pleia2, so is gnumeric \o/
15:15:33 <micahg> it gave us 20MB
15:15:33 <SkippersBoss> so is gnumeric
15:15:43 <micahg> knome: drop 1 more langauage?
15:15:47 <micahg> on amd64 that is
15:15:47 <knome> np: Hans Zimmer (Gladiator OST) / Barbarian Horde
15:15:53 <knome> suits very well for the situation
15:15:56 <micahg> * Languages: es pt zh-hans
15:15:59 <knome> micahg, yeah, i was simply thinking the same.
15:16:22 <micahg> that gets us proper sized for beta 2, if we can find more room before final, we can add it back
15:16:30 * pleia2 makes note for updating websites and info about gnumeric
15:16:49 <knome> micahg, pt has less native speakers by far, so it'd be that
15:16:58 <knome> micahg, what are the other things we are looking at?
15:17:03 <smartboyhw> Yay zh-hans is not deleted...
15:17:04 <SkippersBoss> remeber that with the es pt versions you are going to alianate a large group of users
15:17:17 <knome> we could cut some slack removing some games
15:17:24 <knome> SkippersBoss, well, we already had to drop fr...
15:17:38 <micahg> SkippersBoss: i386 still has them
15:17:38 <SkippersBoss> I can understand the logic
15:17:43 <knome> SkippersBoss, most people fortunately have a decent internet connection, so they're able to download the langpacks
15:17:49 <micahg> #Enough room on i386, not enough on amd64:
15:17:49 <micahg> * Languages: xh fr pt
15:18:30 <knome> #info Languages that we'll keep for i386 but drop for amd64 to get more space: xh, fr, pt
15:18:42 <knome> ok, so is that as easy as that? :P
15:19:00 <micahg> yep
15:19:05 <knome> ok, great
15:19:41 <micahg> if we dropped something else from the default install, we could probably add another language to i386
15:19:55 <knome> gnome-sudoku?
15:19:58 <micahg> or found another spurious recommends
15:20:15 * micahg takes it knome doesn't like sudoku
15:20:31 * smartboyhw thinks sudoku is ok to be dropped
15:20:35 <knome> well i do, but it's less essential than one more language
15:20:49 <micahg> yeah, that would do it
15:20:53 <knome> and with the current config, we're about 10MB undersized, and that's waste of time
15:21:11 <knome> do we have a backlog of what language we would like to reintrodue?
15:21:20 <micahg> we might be able to get away with it w/out dropping anything
15:21:31 <knome> maybe fi, since it's so widely spoken
15:21:32 <knome> ;]
15:21:42 <pleia2> lol
15:21:48 <micahg> de seems to be it
15:21:54 <knome> micahg, i really don't want to be oversized for b2, so i'd rather do that tweaking after b2
15:21:55 <SkippersBoss> at least amongs the Xu developers
15:22:18 <knome> micahg, unless you're willing to handle the respin requests and stuff
15:22:31 <micahg> knome: it doesn't require an upload, so we can flip the bit and see what happens tomorrow
15:22:47 <knome> micahg, oh, right, yeah, we have enought time to revert
15:22:49 <knome> sounds good
15:23:05 <knome> #action micahg to drop 'pt' from amd64 and reintroduce 'de' for i386
15:23:05 * meetingology micahg to drop 'pt' from amd64 and reintroduce 'de' for i386
15:23:29 <knome> #action micahg to make sure i386 doesn't go oversized, and if it goes, drop gnome-sudoku tomorrow before freeze
15:23:29 * meetingology micahg to make sure i386 doesn't go oversized, and if it goes, drop gnome-sudoku tomorrow before freeze
15:24:38 <knome> i believe that's it for the beta 2 prepping altogether!
15:24:49 <knome> #subtopic Schedule next meeting
15:24:51 <pnarciso> so pt which have a much more userbase is being droped for de?
15:24:59 <knome> pnarciso, no.
15:25:12 <knome> pnarciso, pt is dropped from amd64, de introduced to i386
15:25:13 <smartboyhw> pnarciso: pt is dropped in amd64 and de is introduced in i386
15:25:18 <smartboyhw> Or am I wrong?
15:25:33 <pnarciso> okok, I read wrong, sorry
15:25:38 <knome> pnarciso, we're oversized for amd64, but have a bit extra spae for i386
15:25:46 <bluesabre> that was scarily similar, knome & smartboyhw
15:25:50 <knome> pnarciso, np, good to have it sorted
15:25:52 <knome> bluesabre, :P
15:26:12 <smartboyhw> I pressed ënter 1 sec slower than knome, bluesabre you know:(
15:26:17 <knome> bluesabre, i believe it is the same than with great minds and idiots - they all think the same
15:26:20 * knome hides
15:26:25 * smartboyhw hides
15:26:42 * smartboyhw thinks knome is saying that he is an idiot:(
15:26:46 <knome> hsst, don't take the same hideaway, they'll notice us idiots here
15:26:57 <knome> smartboyhw, i was saying we both are, but i was just kidding :P
15:26:58 * bluesabre is king when everyone else hides
15:27:04 <smartboyhw> ;P
15:27:06 <knome> mostly referring to myself...
15:27:12 <knome> so, next meeting
15:27:21 <knome> should we have one just before B2 release?
15:27:32 <smartboyhw> +1
15:27:36 <knome> i will not take "we will not release B2" as an answer, so...
15:27:53 <bluesabre> Yeah, who knows what will change at the last minute for us to panic about
15:28:01 <smartboyhw> If we don´t have B2 we don´t even HAVE a beta.....
15:28:13 <knome> #info Next meeting: September 26th, 15UTC
15:28:17 <SkippersBoss> that's not an option
15:28:18 <knome> #endmeeting