#title #xubuntu-devel Meeting

Meeting started by knome at 21:59:17 UTC.  The full logs are available
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== Meeting summary ==

 *Ongoing Business
Will be carried to next meeting  (knome, 22:00:30)
Will be carried to next meeting  (knome, 22:00:49)
Will be carried to next meeting  (knome, 22:01:04)
Grid''''''Cube will copy the Top 10 questions to wiki, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website/Top10  (knome, 22:04:43)
The Top 10 questions will be finalized in the website sprint  (knome, 22:05:29)
Call for Top 10 translations will be sent to mailing lists after the website sprint  (knome, 22:06:54)
We will have a website sprint in next weekend, exact date and time will be verified early next week  (knome, 22:07:32)
No reported bugs are present in the latest version of Ristretto  (knome, 22:09:01)
There is no blockers to include Ristretto by default in 12.04.  (knome, 22:09:23)
''ACTION:'' knome will send an email about changing the meeting time to the mailing list next week  (knome, 22:10:35)
Merged new upstream release of xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin from debian testing  (mr_pouit, 22:12:46)
Uploaded to oneiric a SRU for exo to fix mailto: helpers  (mr_pouit, 22:13:19)
''LINK:'' http://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-kbdleds-plugin/   (knome, 22:13:47)
Uploaded to precise a fix for a crash in xfce4-power-manager, the SRU to oneiric will follow this week  (mr_pouit, 22:13:48)
  *Bug Triage, Testing  (knome, 22:15:46)
  *Website, Documentation  (knome, 22:16:41)
Website sprint to follow next week  (knome, 22:16:53)
  *Marketing, Artwork  (knome, 22:17:05)
Mostly planning... And trying to get GTK3 stuff to work  (knome, 22:18:27)

 *Announcements
  *Xubuntu brainstorming week  (knome, 22:19:14)
We've started planning for precise pangolin  (knome, 22:19:30)
The brainstorming week starts *now*, and ends on Monday, November 21  (knome, 22:19:55)
See the mail sent to Xubuntu-devel ML; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-November/008040.html  (knome, 22:20:11)
The wikipage for the roadmap for PP has all the information you need; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap  (knome, 22:20:37)
  *Contributor check  (knome, 22:21:05)
We want to know how many of the Xubuntu contributors are actually active  (knome, 22:21:29)
If you think your status on any of our Launchpad teams is wrong... Please fix it by leaving, or applying for membership  (knome, 22:22:01)
The mail to the Xubuntu-devel ML has some more details; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-November/008039.html  (knome, 22:22:21)

 *Other Business
  *Specification for a default Torrent client  (knome, 22:29:00)
We rock.  (knome, 22:39:34)



Meeting ended at 22:39:37 UTC.



== Votes ==




== Action items ==

 * knome will send an email about changing the meeting time to the mailing list next week



== Action items, by person ==

 * knome
 ** knome will send an email about changing the meeting time to the mailing list next week



== People present (lines said) ==

 * knome (127)
 * GridCube (42)
 * ochosi (27)
 * micahg_ (10)
 * mr_pouit (9)
 * madnick (5)
 * astraljava (5)
 * Unit193 (5)
 * meetingology (4)
 * SiDi (1)



== Full Log ==


 21:59:17 <knome> #startmeeting

 21:59:18 <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Nov 13 21:59:17 2011 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.

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 21:59:27 <knome> #topic Ongoing Business

 21:59:54 <knome> #subtitle Ubuntu moving to 5-year release schedule for LTS

 22:00:30 <knome> #info Will be carried to next meeting

 22:00:47 <GridCube> :) ok

 22:00:48 <knome> #subtitle Maintaining official/recognized derivative/flavor status

 22:00:49 <knome> #info Will be carried to next meeting

 22:01:02 <knome> #subtitle "maybe-ubiquity" option for LTS

 22:01:04 <knome> #info Will be carried to next meeting

 22:01:16 <knome> #subtitle Website stuff

 22:01:32 <knome> okay GridCube, the top 10 FAQ

 22:01:35 <knome> any news?

 22:01:54 <GridCube> i just need to have some input on question 10

 22:01:57 <knome> okay

 22:02:02 <ochosi> what is q10?

 22:02:04 <GridCube> i've been forwarding people to it several times

 22:02:10 <ochosi> oh

 22:02:15 <knome> could you copy the stuff to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website/Top10

 22:02:20 <GridCube> "whereto get more help"

 22:02:21 <knome> GridCube, ^

 22:02:32 <knome> so we can get through it with pleia2 and others in the website sprint

 22:02:36 <GridCube> sure knome

 22:02:38 <Unit193> AskUbuntu is one place

 22:02:40 <knome> we can handle the "more help" part then too

 22:03:22 <GridCube> i've been using it to tell people when i see a toptened question been asked,no problems so far

 22:03:33 <knome> yeah

 22:03:46 <knome> the support methods are listed in the current website too afaik

 22:04:01 <knome> at http://xubuntu.org/help

 22:04:14 <GridCube> :) yes, we could link that

 22:04:21 <knome> well, we need to rewrite

 22:04:28 <knome> but that's where we can copy most of the stuff

 22:04:43 <knome> #info Grid''''''Cube will copy the Top 10 questions to wiki, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website/Top10

 22:04:45 <GridCube> no problem, for the top10, also

 22:04:53 <GridCube> translations

 22:04:59 <GridCube> i know olbi asked

 22:05:17 <GridCube> my idea the whole time was it to be simple so its easilytranslatable

 22:05:29 <knome> #info The Top 10 questions will be finalized in the website sprint

 22:05:43 <knome> translations for the whole website will come in later

 22:05:53 <GridCube> :) thats good then

 22:05:58 <knome> we can do some language versions of the top10 faq before that though

 22:06:13 <GridCube> i can do a spañish one easily

 22:06:17 <knome> yeah

 22:06:24 <GridCube> im sure olbi willwant to do one to if asked

 22:06:54 <knome> #info Call for Top 10 translations will be sent to mailing lists after the website sprint

 22:07:04 <GridCube> :)

 22:07:16 <GridCube> ..

 22:07:32 <knome> #info We will have a website sprint in next weekend, exact date and time will be verified early next week

 22:07:46 <knome> anything else on the website?

 22:08:33 <knome> okay, let's continue

 22:08:44 <knome> #subtitle Ristretto as default in Xubuntu 12.04

 22:09:01 <knome> #info No reported bugs are present in the latest version of Ristretto

 22:09:11 <GridCube> i can confirm that

 22:09:23 <knome> #info There is no blockers to include Ristretto by default in 12.04.

 22:10:00 <knome> #agreed Ristretto is a viable and likely choice as a default image viewer in 12.04

 22:10:10 <knome> #subtitle Meeting times

 22:10:35 <ochosi> +1 on ristretto btw

 22:10:35 <knome> #action knome will send an email about changing the meeting time to the mailing list next week

 22:10:35 * meetingology knome will send an email about changing the meeting time to the mailing list next week

 22:10:44 <knome> #title Team updates

 22:10:53 <GridCube> I can't do it on mondays :(

 22:10:56 <knome> #subtitle Packaging, Development

 22:11:08 <knome> GridCube, yeah, you'll be able to tell that to all of us :)

 22:11:14 <knome> mr_pouit, micahg?

 22:11:21 <knome> (please use #info...)

 22:11:41 <mr_pouit> okay, nothing much this week either

 22:12:00 <knome> anything? :P

 22:12:20 <mr_pouit> yes :P

 22:12:29 <knome> anything worth mentioning in the team updates?

 22:12:30 <knome> :P

 22:12:31 <ochosi> i think gmusicbrowser 1.1.8 is on its way

 22:12:35 <ochosi> via debian

 22:12:46 <mr_pouit> #info Merged new upstream release of xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin from debian testing

 22:12:47 <ochosi> micah said he could take care of that soonish

 22:13:03 <knome> mr_pouit, what about the kbdleds plugin?

 22:13:04 <GridCube> o/

 22:13:13 <GridCube> that :P

 22:13:16 <knome> mr_pouit, can we have that in the repository?

 22:13:19 <mr_pouit> #info Uploaded to oneiric a SRU for exo to fix mailto: helpers

 22:13:47 <knome> http://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-kbdleds-plugin/

 22:13:48 <mr_pouit> #info Uploaded to precise a fix for a crash in xfce4-power-manager, the SRU to oneiric will follow this week

 22:13:57 <mr_pouit> I think that's all for the new things

 22:14:05 <knome> okay

 22:14:11 <knome> sounds good though :)

 22:14:11 <mr_pouit> yeah, we can have kdleds plugin if you want

 22:14:22 <mr_pouit> I'd rather push it through pkg-xfce in debian though

 22:14:25 <knome> right

 22:14:32 <knome> should you be added as the assignee?

 22:14:38 <GridCube> that will be helpful for people that doesnt have a leded keyboard

 22:15:00 <mr_pouit> knome: yeah, feel free to assign that to me

 22:15:04 <knome> okay, thanks

 22:15:46 <knome> #subtopic Bug Triage, Testing

 22:15:50 <knome> anything on this?

 22:16:28 <knome> okay...

 22:16:31 <GridCube> not from me, havent started tests yet

 22:16:32 <GridCube> :P

 22:16:41 <knome> #subtopic Website, Documentation

 22:16:51 * micahg_ waves

 22:16:53 <knome> #info Website sprint to follow next week

 22:16:56 <knome> hey micahg_ :)

 22:17:05 <knome> #subtopic Marketing, Artwork

 22:17:09 <knome> ochosi, any updates?

 22:17:52 <ochosi> hm, i've been working towards fixing gtk3 bugs in greybird, no luck so far

 22:17:57 <knome> okay

 22:18:05 <knome> so i suppose there is nothing...

 22:18:09 <ochosi> seems like the unico-engine doesn't allow theming the resize-grip (yet) and cimi is never available

 22:18:14 <knome> :(

 22:18:15 <ochosi> yeah, mostly plans ;)

 22:18:27 <knome> #info Mostly planning... And trying to get GTK3 stuff to work

 22:18:36 <knome> #topic Announcements

 22:18:37 <madnick> well, someone (knome, ochosi) to help me develop the visual style for the greeter theme

 22:18:47 <ochosi> true

 22:18:53 <ochosi> we wanted to do that

 22:18:56 <knome> madnick, yeah, just ping us next week

 22:18:59 <madnick> okay

 22:19:04 <knome> or at least feel free to ping me

 22:19:14 <knome> #subtopic Xubuntu brainstorming week

 22:19:18 <knome> YAYYY

 22:19:30 <knome> #info We've started planning for precise pangolin

 22:19:30 <SiDi> *epic music*

 22:19:39 <GridCube> :D

 22:19:55 <knome> #info The brainstorming week starts *now*, and ends on Monday, November 21

 22:20:10 <GridCube> :D i've been brainstorming already

 22:20:11 <knome> #info See the mail sent to Xubuntu-devel ML; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-November/008040.html

 22:20:37 <knome> #info The wikipage for the roadmap for PP has all the information you need; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap

 22:20:56 <knome> tell your friends too!

 22:21:05 <knome> #subtopic Contributor check

 22:21:29 <knome> #info We want to know how many of the Xubuntu contributors are actually active

 22:22:01 <knome> #info If you think your status on any of our Launchpad teams is wrong... Please fix it by leaving, or applying for membership

 22:22:16 <ochosi> btw

 22:22:21 <knome> #info The mail to the Xubuntu-devel ML has some more details; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-November/008039.html

 22:22:24 <knome> ochosi, yes?

 22:22:47 <ochosi> not sure whether that's web-stuff or team-stuff, but i'd consider it nice if we had a list of contributors/team members somewhere on the website

 22:22:58 <ochosi> something like "who the f*** is xubuntu?"

 22:23:07 <knome> yes

 22:23:16 <knome> i'd like to have the Launcpad teams current

 22:23:18 <knome> so we can link there

 22:23:31 <knome> and people would have access to things they need

 22:23:31 <ochosi> yeah maybe, we could also do something nicer than just link there

 22:23:36 <ochosi> but not sure it's needed

 22:23:55 <astraljava> o/

 22:23:56 <knome> yes, that too. but if you are in the LP group for eg. the website team, you can access and update the website code

 22:24:06 <knome> hey astraljava :) anything on your heart?

 22:24:17 <astraljava> Pointers to devel team application?

 22:24:35 <knome> astraljava, do you mean general ubuntu, or xubuntu

 22:24:42 <astraljava> knome: Xubuntu

 22:25:12 <micahg_> xubuntu dev just gets you commit access to the braches for the few things we maintain, doesn't help much

 22:25:21 <knome> astraljava, you will get approved if you have contributed to xubuntu. we don't have a specific procedure, because being a member of the xubuntu team doesn't allow you any

 22:25:24 <micahg_> not that I want to discourage more help though :)

 22:25:25 <knome> *buntu* access rights

 22:25:30 <knome> yeah.

 22:25:40 <astraljava> Ok, good enough, thanks!

 22:25:51 <knome> xubuntu team members are not automatically ubuntu members, or anything

 22:25:57 <micahg_> well, no xubuntu-dev should be more limited

 22:26:03 <micahg_> it does give access to the seeds

 22:26:08 <ochosi> reminds me of the council we should install...

 22:26:14 <knome> yeah...

 22:26:28 <knome> micahg_, right. though that's still not standard ubuntu procedure, is ti?

 22:26:29 <ochosi> and the XSD that needs revision

 22:26:29 <knome> *it

 22:26:44 <knome> ochosi, yes. i will get to that when we have more time, and a better meeting time...

 22:27:12 <ochosi> sure :)

 22:27:44 <micahg_> knome: right, mr_pouit has the authority in this case I think (or at least used to)

 22:27:44 <knome> micahg_, ?

 22:28:12 <knome> micahg_, okay, so it doesn't need to follow the standard ubuntu procedure. not that there is much rush for the -dev team anyway right now. :)

 22:28:47 <knome> #topic Other Business

 22:28:49 <micahg_> right, no, but we need to be sure that the person understands the various packages and seeds before granting membership to the dev team (merges welcome in the mean time)

 22:29:00 <knome> #subtopic Specification for a default Torrent client

 22:29:12 <knome> micahg_, yeah, i agree. that's why we need to council too...

 22:29:28 <knome> what features does a default torrent client for xubuntu need?

 22:29:35 <knome> simple ui

 22:29:57 <knome> extensive managing capabilities for multiple torrents?

 22:30:02 <ochosi> so we're considering dropping transmission?

 22:30:38 <knome> ochosi, GridCube is assignee for doing a comparison for those, so we should think which qualities we need

 22:30:49 <ochosi> ah ok

 22:31:02 <knome> personally i'm happy with transmission, as it's simple and gets the job done for most of the users who need torrents

 22:31:14 <ochosi> yeah, personally a simple/easy-to-use interface, a low memory footprint and multiple torrents are all i need

 22:31:34 <knome> anybody else wants to add something?

 22:31:43 <GridCube> well i use lots of torrents for... personal reasons, and transmission is not cool for that

 22:31:45 <Unit193> DHT, UPnP?

 22:31:47 <ochosi> e.g. no need to be able to search torrents via that app

 22:31:55 <knome> Unit193, i don't know what are those.

 22:32:00 <ochosi> GridCube: what's not working for you in transmission?

 22:32:06 <knome> Unit193, for what are those necessary?

 22:32:08 <micahg_> if we ever get QT in Xubuntu, I'd vote for QBittorrent :)

 22:32:30 <GridCube> you can not set it to download just one torrent a time, for example, or priority for that matter

 22:32:57 <knome> is that necessary for the normal user?

 22:32:59 <Unit193> knome: UPnP helps it to route traffic to your computer

 22:33:12 <ochosi> GridCube: sure you can set priority

 22:33:32 <Unit193> And DHT helps you find more sources

 22:33:42 <GridCube> i believe so, controling how much bandwith is used is a thing, but if you control the bandwith it will still try to download 10 torrents at a time

 22:34:05 <knome> GridCube, unless you pause them, right?

 22:34:05 <madnick> but you can pause them

 22:34:21 <GridCube> ... but then i will have to unpause them?

 22:34:44 <GridCube> i can not left it and download? that makes no sense

 22:34:46 <knome> what are the 10 legal torrents a user wants to download parallely?

 22:34:58 <ochosi> GridCube: for priorities go to torrent properties > options > torrent priority. it's rather easy

 22:35:09 <micahg_> amd64 and i386 versions of all supported Ubuntu and Xubuntu releases :P

 22:35:16 <knome> micahg_, that's 8

 22:35:17 <knome> :P

 22:35:26 <GridCube> and mint

 22:35:30 <astraljava> Ubuntu Studio, duh.

 22:35:31 <micahg_> and server :)

 22:35:33 <knome> we don't support mint.

 22:35:35 <knome> ;)

 22:35:41 <GridCube> XD

 22:36:18 <knome> well, yeah.

 22:36:37 <GridCube> ok its not imperative, but transmission just seems empty, like, not helpful

 22:36:49 <ochosi> GridCube: what would be a good alternative?

 22:36:58 <knome> what's the normal usecase for a normal user with torrents?

 22:37:03 <GridCube> deluge its my first option

 22:37:13 <knome> does he really download all the ubuntu versions, i386 and amd64, mint, server, and studio?

 22:37:21 <GridCube> not really

 22:37:22 <madnick> Ofc he does, while this channel is logged

 22:37:36 <GridCube> ^^^

 22:37:36 <knome> micahg_, mmh, yeah.

 22:37:55 <GridCube> thats pretty much it then

 22:38:03 <knome> tbh, i don't want to change our default torrent client to something more "powerful" to be able to boost illegal downloads... ;)

 22:38:13 <GridCube> agreed

 22:38:20 <GridCube> will take that down :D

 22:38:31 <knome> right, okay ... :]

 22:38:35 <madnick> There are serveral alternatives, but why use them as default

 22:38:41 <knome> mmh

 22:38:49 <Unit193> I have atleast 11 or so legal right now ;)

 22:38:55 <knome> yeah, people are free to install anything they want

 22:39:00 <GridCube> indeed

 22:39:14 <knome> but the default should be sensible, and in xubuntu's case, pretty lightweight and easy-to-use

 22:39:19 <knome> that's that for today.

 22:39:22 <GridCube> :)

 22:39:23 <GridCube> ok

 22:39:27 <knome> let's keep the discussion going on in IRC and the mailing lists

 22:39:34 <knome> #info We rock.

 22:39:37 <knome> #endmeeting



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