17:03:21 <MichealH> #startmeeting
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17:03:25 <MichealH> #chair Muscovy
17:03:25 <meetingology> Current chairs: MichealH Muscovy
17:03:28 <MichealH> Go ahead
17:03:40 <Muscovy> We've got lots of tours that are 3/4ths done.
17:03:47 <Muscovy> Oh thanks, MichealH.
17:03:59 <MichealH> Anytime
17:04:07 <MichealH> !hi | everyone
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17:04:20 <MichealH> ubottu db FTW
17:04:22 <MichealH> :)
17:04:24 <Muscovy> Not sure about other editors, but I tend to get lost when I don't know what needs doing, so I'll get a list together soon.
17:04:50 <Muscovy> For those who haven't seen, MadnessRed has a really cool new thing set up, that lets you click parts of the UI to open pages about that part.
17:05:03 <Muscovy> Great for explaining Unity and eventually more applications.
17:06:00 <Muscovy> Oh, and I'll also get back on the PPA again.
17:06:19 <Muscovy> Sorry again that I've been kinda dead, I've been really busy this year. :P
17:06:54 <MadnessRed> no problem, I think we all have
17:06:58 <MadnessRed> ok, just going back to an earlier point, should I change the "Development focus" to "ubuntu-tour developement"
17:07:26 <MadnessRed> at the moment lp:ubuntu-tour is the old natty branch
17:09:01 <Muscovy> What I figured was change natty to be oneric, and merge the new things in from development.
17:09:35 <Muscovy> If I remember correctly, we originally made development because it was unstable.
17:10:07 <Muscovy> Merging might be tricky. By the look of things people have been editing both branches for content.
17:10:10 <MadnessRed> Problem is that development and natty are very differnt
17:10:28 <MadnessRed> development has a different language and tour system
17:11:18 <Muscovy> Right.
17:11:38 <Muscovy> Should we make a converting tool or just do it manually?
17:12:03 <Muscovy> I could adapt them, it doesn't seem too difficult.
17:12:17 <MadnessRed> What I would suggest is that we work on the development branch, then once a new version is released we branch devevlopement to that codename
17:13:25 <MadnessRed> eg we work on development now, once oineric is released, we branch development to oineric, the development branch then has code updates and tour updates for p___ and any tour cahnges for oineric can be made in that branch
17:16:18 <Muscovy> Sure.
17:18:14 <MadnessRed> kl
17:18:29 <MadnessRed> how are we doing for authors?
17:18:37 <Muscovy> We're low.
17:18:37 <MadnessRed> that are still around and contributing?
17:18:52 <Muscovy> Once I can get a TODO list, we need to get more members.
17:19:05 <Muscovy> We've basically had contributors slowly dropping out of the project.
17:19:12 <MadnessRed> I can sort out another post on OMG!Ubuntu!
17:19:22 <Muscovy> That'd be great!
17:19:36 <Muscovy> Let's just wait until we know what needs doing though.
17:19:38 <MadnessRed> but I think we need to get a few more of the basic tours sorted first
17:19:52 <Muscovy> Remember the chaos when we first started and everyone was all over the place? :)
17:20:01 <Muscovy> Yeah.
17:20:08 <MadnessRed> yh, we need to know what needs doing
17:20:15 <MadnessRed> probably have empty tours set up
17:20:23 <Muscovy> I'll also get going on the Unity one, that's really important.
17:20:37 <Muscovy> Yeah, and have better documentation than last time.
17:20:47 <Muscovy> So everyone knows how to write, edit and translate.
17:20:48 <barrydrake> maybe it would be good to treat it like 'bugs' and assign small tasks?
17:21:32 <MadnessRed> translations are doing through launchpad now
17:21:42 <MadnessRed> which should make it simpler in that respect
17:22:04 <MadnessRed> and also means translators aren't presented with any of the source code, which makes it nicer for them
17:22:59 <Muscovy> barrydrake: certainly, we can use the bugs system like that for "content missing" and "content  incomplete" and so on.
17:23:31 <barrydrake> sounds goo - effort is not duplicated that way
17:23:59 <Muscovy> Yeah it's also a good way of knowing who's doing what.
17:24:18 <MadnessRed> we also need to think about the interactiveness
17:24:21 <Muscovy> You don't want to people with different ideas inadvertently writing two half of one tour.
17:24:26 <Muscovy> Yeah.
17:24:29 <MadnessRed> things like arrows, and hints
17:24:42 <MadnessRed> the tour writers need to tell the programmers what they want
17:24:45 <Muscovy> Now that Unity locks positions, the arrow will be a lot easier to use.
17:24:56 <MadnessRed> and we need to make sure the tour writers know how to use the arrows
17:25:02 <barrydrake> BTW, the instructions for installing ubuntu-tour on the website don't work.  I'll have to use bazaar to get the current code, and build it.
17:25:31 <Muscovy> barrydrake, I'm guessing it says there's not a version for natty?
17:25:43 <Muscovy> I've not updated it in a while. :P
17:25:54 <barrydrake> it isn't that helpful.  It says the binary is 'missing'
17:26:15 <Muscovy> Hmm.
17:26:27 <Muscovy> Well, I'll update it and take a look this evening or tomorrow.
17:27:14 <MadnessRed> will the ppa install the languages for the developement version
17:27:44 <Muscovy> The PPA doesn't have that version yet.
17:28:21 <Muscovy> Development will be for code, (relase codename) for writing, correct?
17:30:23 <MadnessRed> developement for code and tours for the next release
17:30:36 <MadnessRed> eg tours for oineric would be done in developement at the moment
17:30:44 <MadnessRed> then tours for natty in the natty branch
17:31:31 <MadnessRed> I don't think the code is complete enough in development to move it into a tours only branch
17:31:50 <Muscovy> Hmm ok.
17:33:25 <MadnessRed> if we branched oineric now, i think we would spend a lot of time, merging code changes between development and oineric
17:34:12 <Muscovy> Yeah I agree.
17:34:25 <barrydrake> currently, the appearance and behaviour of Unity in Oneiric seems to be changing daily ...
17:34:31 <Muscovy> I just wasn't totally sure what the delineation between branches was.
17:34:36 <Muscovy> Yep. XD
17:36:35 <MadnessRed> I think, when the code is complete enough, each release we make the development branch stable, branch it into the codename, and do all the tours there
17:37:10 <Muscovy> Makes sense.
17:39:16 <Muscovy> Alright, well I've got to go shortly.
17:39:19 <MadnessRed> ok, another topic... the website, hardly every works for me
17:39:29 <Muscovy> As in it's frequently down?
17:39:47 <Muscovy> That's odd.
17:40:29 <barrydrake> I haven't seen problems with it - only there is not a lot of informarion up there
17:40:57 <barrydrake> this is why I'm lurking here, to see what's happening
17:41:41 <Muscovy> Yeah, the site needs work.
17:42:08 <Muscovy> MadnessRed, we switched to Omega for hosting a few months ago, for me at least that made the downtime issues go away.
17:42:26 <MadnessRed> it's hardly ever up for me
17:43:35 <Muscovy> That's not good.
17:45:48 <MadnessRed> try accessing it through a uk proxy
17:49:57 <Muscovy> http://isitdown.co.uk/ubuntutour.org you're right. :/
17:49:59 <TourBot> Title: Is it Down - Check website status form this United Kingdom based server, you can confirm if a website is down or have any error (at isitdown.co.uk)
17:50:36 <Muscovy> If I remember correctly philw was another hosting option at the time.
17:50:51 <Muscovy> If we can't sort out what's wrong now, I'll talk to him.
17:51:01 <Muscovy> And now, I'm afraid I'v got to run.
17:51:23 <Muscovy> Thanks for coming to the mini-meeting everyone, I'll get together a TODO list as soon as I can.
17:51:27 <Muscovy> !endmeeting
17:51:28 <TourBot> Factoid 'endmeeting' not found
17:51:38 <MadnessRed> ok kl, thanks everyone
17:52:45 <barrydrake> g'night
20:46:52 <Omega> I missed the meeting :< I'm sorry guys, I just moved here and I was moving to another place
09:53:17 <Omega> http://isitdown.co.uk/ubuntutour.org
09:53:19 <TourBot> Title: Is it Down - Check website status form this United Kingdom based server, you can confirm if a website is down or have any error (at isitdown.co.uk)
09:53:22 <Omega> it works now
17:44:56 <Omega> Muscovy: heya
17:44:58 <Omega> you here?
17:45:11 <Muscovy> Yep.
17:46:10 <Omega> Muscovy: what nameserver is ubuntutour.org using?
17:47:42 <Muscovy> Umm... don't sure.
17:47:45 <Muscovy> not sure*
17:49:04 <Omega> I think the reason it's not working is because the server moved
17:51:14 <Omega> well point it to 50.31.1.1
17:51:52 <Omega> what domain registrar are you with?
17:52:13 <Muscovy> April's hosting the domain, I forget the registrar.
17:53:15 <Omega> Oh, right
19:25:47 <MichealH> Hey Muscovy
19:25:54 <Muscovy> Hello.
21:47:19 <Omega> Hey guys
21:50:00 <Muscovy> Hello.
23:25:48 <Silasle> JasonO: Good luck with your tests :)
23:26:22 <JasonO> Silasle: Thank you. :)
23:30:46 <Muscovy> Yes, same from me.
23:46:29 <JasonO> Thanks Muscovy.  :)