20:11 <popey> #startmeeting Ubuntu Touch file manager app meeting
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20:11 <popey> blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-commons/+spec/initial-filemanager-development
20:11 <popey> bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
20:12 <popey> reviews: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+activereviews
20:12 <ajalkane> howdy iBelieve  & popey
20:12 <popey> burndown: http://status.ubuntu.com/coreapps-13.10/
20:12 <popey> so one piece of news...
20:12 <popey> Next week we're doing some more hackdays https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/HackDays
20:12 <popey> file manager is scheduled along with music app on wednesday
20:12 <ajalkane> Nice!
20:12 <popey> the goal being to finalise the apps, polish them up and get them ready for 1.0 release for 13.10 in october
20:13 <iBelieve> popey, cool! dpm and I were just talking about things we should schedule for the hack day
20:13 <popey> oh excellent!
20:13 <popey> Glad to hear it
20:13 <popey> You know more than me then :D
20:13 <popey> as you can see at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/SaucySprint#File_Manager - we only have two high level goals
20:13 <popey> fix all the bugs!
20:13 <popey> well, the critical ones at least ㋛
20:14 <popey> we're hoping to use this as another opportunity to recruit new people as well as finishing off all the apps.
20:14 <popey> of course the file manager is closer to the finish line than most, but we'll be giving all the apps a good beating next week to iron out any kinks
20:15 <popey> ajalkane: i appreciate your time is limited, and I do value you attending the meetings, thank you.
20:15 <ajalkane> So, as far as File Manager goes, it seems there's only test cases failing that qualify as critical or major bugs
20:15 <popey> if either of you are around on wednesday any time between 9 and 21 UTC then your input would be greatfully received
20:16 <popey> indeed, that may change, but that's how it stands now..
20:16 <popey> we need to go through and review all the bugs, we may update the status of any which seem particularly onerous
20:16 <iBelieve> ajalkane, well, actually they're failing because none of the toolbar buttons can be clicked, which is much bigger then just test cases
20:16 <ajalkane> popey: I'm glad to attend whenever I can... and hope to contribute more in future
20:16 <popey> great, thanks.
20:17 <ajalkane> iBelieve: Oh, that's pretty critical :). SDK changes?
20:17 <popey> there was a stack of stuff that blew up today, i believe related to the toolkit, yes
20:17 <iBelieve> ajalkane, yep, the SDK took away the caller property in ToolbarButton, so now when opening popovers, we'll need to manually reference the buttons
20:19 <ajalkane> Ah... Not a huge problem for File Manager's usecase if I remember correctly
20:20 <iBelieve> ajalkane, all of the toobar buttons open popovers except the Settings one, so the app is practically useless until that gets fixed
20:22 <popey> I had nothing else to raise this week.
20:22 <popey> Any questions / issues aside from above?
20:23 <iBelieve> I've got a couple bugs that I'd like all of your input on before I triage them
20:23 <ajalkane> iBelieve: I mean, if I remember correctly, in File Manager we practically know the "caller" so replacing it with QML id is easy
20:23 <iBelieve> ajalkane, oh, right. It is very easy to fix, I just haven't add time yet
20:23 <iBelieve> So, LP #1218089 - what are your thoughts on that? Would that be good to implement?
20:24 <iBelieve> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1218089
20:24 <ajalkane> iBelieve: right on. I can probably put some work on it too hopefully if you don't have time before me
20:24 <ajalkane> iBelieve: I think that's non-trivial to implement cleanly so I wouldn't do it right now
20:25 <iBelieve> ajalkane, I was thinking the same thing too. I was just wondering how we should triage it
20:25 <popey> Where would deleted files go?
20:26 <iBelieve> popey, Probably to Trash, as on the desktop
20:26 <mhall119> agreed
20:26 <ajalkane> Low priority or wishlist perhaps?
20:26 <mhall119> wherever Nautilus puts them
20:26 <iBelieve> I'm thinking Low since it's a useability problem and not just a feature request
20:26 <ajalkane> what about the sandboxing? Is trash available etc?
20:27 <popey> Look forward to the lengthy "Trash" vs "Rubbish bin" conversation which will result
20:27 <iBelieve> popey, :)
20:27 <iBelieve> ajalkane, I think I read that File Manager might not be sandboxed due to how it works.
20:27 <popey> /home/alan/.local/share/gvfs-metadata/trash:-a1c04b83.log
20:27 <popey> that looks horrid
20:28 <iBelieve> popey, what is that?
20:28 <popey> hmm, i thought that was where trash went
20:28 <popey> but it's metadata only
20:28 <ajalkane> iBelieve: ok, I haven't heard any details how it's going to be done
20:29 <popey> I would say undo is low/wishlist
20:29 <popey> and not something we need for 1.0
20:29 <iBelieve> popey, I think it is some special file format to ~/.local/share/Trash
20:29 <popey> ah yes
20:30 <iBelieve> popey, plus we'd implement something like "trash:/" and title it "Trash". I think that is the way dolphin works
20:30 <popey> yes, thats what nautilus does too
20:30 <popey> thats quite a bit to implement
20:31 <iBelieve> popey, so on to my next bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1214568
20:31 <iBelieve> so is that something the SDK should implement?
20:31 <ajalkane> Smells like SDK support
20:31 <popey> yeah
20:31 <popey> wouldn't want to have to code that into every app
20:32 <iBelieve> Okay, so I'll switch that to target the UI Toolkit
20:33 <ajalkane> At least as far as I know we don't have control in QML over the window size (last I checked the documentation)
20:33 <iBelieve> ajalkane, we can just remember width and height, but then Maximized doesn't work
20:34 <popey> for now, we're focussed on phone, so this isn't an immediate problem
20:34 <popey> iBelieve: see the mail from Carlos about meeting times?
20:34 <popey> Is 2 hours earlier okay for you?
20:35 <iBelieve> popey, I saw it, and accidentally did Reply to Sender instead of Reply to All :(
20:35 <popey> hehe
20:35 <iBelieve> popey, two hours earlier is fine with me
20:35 <popey> awesome!
20:35 <popey> \o/ Consensus!
20:35 <ajalkane> Great
20:36 <popey> i love it when a plan comes together
20:36 <popey> Ok, anything else?
20:36 <ajalkane> well...
20:36 <ajalkane> there's a web-page for these irc meetings
20:37 <ajalkane> I mean backlog
20:37 <popey> ah yes, I need to update that
20:37 <ajalkane> But it doesn't seem to update
20:37 <popey> indeed, it's manual ☹
20:37 <ajalkane> It'd be nice for the days when one can't make
20:37 <ajalkane> * it
20:37 <popey> I'll update it in the morning with some grep skills
20:37 <popey> thanks for the reminder
20:38 <ajalkane> Ok cool. Setup a cronjob while at it :P
20:38 <iBelieve> popey, ajalkane also, I have a new email address that you guys can contact me at. It's the top one on my Launchpad profile
20:38 <iBelieve> https://launchpad.net/~mdspencer
20:38 <popey> kk
20:38 * popey checked to make sure it wasn't spencers1993@redhat.com
20:39 * iBelieve smiles
20:39 <popey> Ok, lets wrap up, and we'll see you all next week, for hacking!
20:39 <popey> thanks guys!
20:39 <popey> #endmeeting