14:28 <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
14:28 <meetingology> Meeting started at 14:28:50 UTC.  The chair is cpaelzer.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
14:28 <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick
14:28 <cpaelzer> Ping for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage pushkarnk ( dviererbe )
14:29 <dviererbe> o/
14:29 <pushkarnk> o/
14:29 <cpaelzer> we still have time, but I wanted to provide an early ping
14:29 <mylesjp> morning everyone!
14:29 <cpaelzer> mylesjp: we need to add you to the ping list ...
14:29 <sarnold> good morning
14:30 <jbicha> o/
14:30 <cpaelzer> done https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/commit/103543295f657f0509a5e0238809fa025c022fa7
14:31 <cpaelzer> and thereby the time for the meeting is up
14:31 <cpaelzer> let us do that, see if questing provides already quests for us and have a last normal week before sprint week disrupt some of our ability to attend here
14:31 <slyon> o/
14:31 <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
14:31 <cpaelzer> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
14:31 <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
14:31 <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
14:32 <cpaelzer> only old/usual suspects
14:32 <cpaelzer> no new action here
14:32 <cpaelzer> I assume the restarted auto-sync will soon change that
14:32 <cpaelzer> but ok for now
14:32 <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
14:32 <cpaelzer> Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing
14:32 <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
14:33 <cpaelzer> None
14:33 <cpaelzer> there has been https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ptyxis/+bug/2108942 in my inbox, but I did that right away without waiting for the meeting to happen
14:33 <sarnold> \o/ :)
14:33 <cpaelzer> sarnold: this needs to enter security queue, could you tag it accordingly?
14:34 <cpaelzer> I'm sure you can, let me go on with the meeting ...
14:34 <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
14:34 <cpaelzer> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
14:34 <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
14:35 <cpaelzer> sequoia is not yet for us, just juliank stating the next steps
14:35 <cpaelzer> on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/2072561 slyon was so kind to fix the state
14:35 <cpaelzer> thanks
14:35 <cpaelzer> waiting for the requests to be resolved
14:36 <cpaelzer> #topic Process/Documentation improvements
14:36 <cpaelzer> Mission: Review pending process/documentation pull-requests or issues
14:36 <cpaelzer> #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pulls
14:36 <slyon> I also just added a "Questing" target, now that we have it :) ^
14:36 <cpaelzer> #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues
14:36 <cpaelzer> thanks slyon
14:36 <cpaelzer> we have this
14:36 <cpaelzer> https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pull/85
14:36 <cpaelzer> thanks ravikant_
14:37 <cpaelzer> that is just fine, let me merge it
14:37 <cpaelzer> nothing else new
14:37 <cpaelzer> and no sudden capacity to fight the old (unless you surprise me)
14:37 <pushkarnk> last meeting I volunteered to take up https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues/83 (though I don't think I will find enough time until the sprints are over)
14:38 <cpaelzer> still, you do the right thing in surprising me :-)
14:38 <pushkarnk> :)
14:38 <cpaelzer> thanks pushkarnk - we are happy for someone having a look, no pressure if pre/while/post sprint
14:38 <cpaelzer> #topic MIR related Security Review Queue
14:38 <pushkarnk> cpaelzer: thanks!
14:38 <cpaelzer> Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?
14:38 <cpaelzer> Some clients can only work with one, some with the other escaping - the URLs point to the same place.
14:38 <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir&orderby=-date_last_updated&start=0
14:38 <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=[MIR]&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir&orderby=-date_last_updated&start=0
14:38 <cpaelzer> Internal link
14:38 <cpaelzer> - ensure your teams items are prioritized among each other as you'd expect
14:38 <cpaelzer> - ensure community requests do not get stomped by teams calling for favors too much
14:38 <cpaelzer> #link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594
14:38 <cpaelzer> sarnold: I see ptyxis there now - thanks
14:38 <sarnold> :D
14:39 <sarnold> pdfio has been assigned but I don't expect any progress has been made on it, yet
14:39 <sarnold> no other updates from me
14:39 <cpaelzer> I'd expect if it is done by the end of Eng sprint it woudl be enough, that still is essentially "very early 25.10" then - would that be realistic?
14:40 <sarnold> hmm, I'm not sure -- it's the first MIR for the reviewer in question, and I'm afraid I've given her too many other tasks to tackle in addition to her usual cve fixing workload
14:41 <cpaelzer> ok, gladly we are early in the cycle
14:41 <sarnold> yes
14:41 <cpaelzer> but if in doubt you and jbicha should coordinate what the deadlines are
14:41 <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
14:41 <slyon> nothing for me
14:41 <cpaelzer> I have one about our docs, anyone else anything before I flood this?
14:41 <sarnold> nothing here
14:41 <mylesjp> nothing from me
14:42 <cpaelzer> pushkarnk: dviererbe: ?
14:42 <pushkarnk> nothing from me
14:42 <cpaelzer> ok, one of the dept counts as enough :-)
14:42 <pushkarnk> :)
14:42 <cpaelzer> OK, doc topic
14:42 <cpaelzer> you might have seen https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/revitalising-ubuntu-project-documentation/58694 or similar related topics
14:43 <sarnold> heh, no, thanks
14:43 <cpaelzer> I wanted to get your pre-ack to handle on that when the time comes - or your nack and discuss how we'd organize it
14:43 <cpaelzer> TL;DR what will happen at some point is that the MIR rules will be moving from https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir into the shared "all to make ubuntu" place
14:43 <cpaelzer> While doing so they likely also get a diataxis split
14:44 <cpaelzer> A bit of review by professionals (not me and my lack of ability to use ",")
14:44 <cpaelzer> And the first setup that uses ACLs for subsections
14:44 <cpaelzer> the idea is to only give us - the MIR team members permissions under that sub-path
14:44 <cpaelzer> here is my question now
14:45 <cpaelzer> One in my team is driving this and I can represent us - is it OK for you if I just make this happen when it is ready?
14:45 <cpaelzer> Or do you want to significantly review, contribute and dsicuss while the move goes on?
14:45 <cpaelzer> Before and Afterwards we will operate normally - GH issues, GH bugs all fine
14:46 <mylesjp> how far along is this cpaelzer? I don't mind contributing and reviewing as well.
14:46 <slyon> I assume we will have redirects/references in place from the old spot (ubuntu-mir GitHub repo) and process to change something would be similar (a PR). So +1 :)
14:46 <cpaelzer> yes to redirects
14:46 <cpaelzer> we do not yet know when exactly, but I assume within the 4 weeks after the sprint
14:47 <cpaelzer> to be clear, every review and input is welcome
14:47 <mylesjp> I'd gladly help out
14:47 <cpaelzer> after being moved it is just git as it is now, so changes can follow up
14:47 <cpaelzer> ok, how about that - when we get started I'll ping all of you as FYI
14:47 <sarnold> It's fine by me if you're representing us, we can adjust later if we need to
14:47 <pushkarnk> glad to contribute/review
14:47 <cpaelzer> if you can participate, but I'd not gate/block on you being around - ok with that?
14:48 <cpaelzer> having already 2 review volunteers and an OK is all I could ask for
14:48 <sarnold> I am concerned about the "acls for subsections", I can't tell you how many things I've fixed on the wiki in random places over the years
14:48 <cpaelzer> I can worst case force slyon to say yes
14:48 <sarnold> lol
14:48 <cpaelzer> Thanks for your trust
14:48 <cpaelzer> About the ACLs sarnold ...
14:48 <cpaelzer> the vast majority will be without ACLs
14:48 <sarnold> ah good
14:49 <cpaelzer> but MIR rules can only be changed by MIR members, SRU exceptions by SRU members, ... you get the idea
14:49 <sarnold> the security team section of the ubuntu wiki always had acls and that frustrated a *lot* of things .. it kinda sorta made sense, but still.
14:49 <slyon> I already gave my +1 above :)
14:49 <cpaelzer> lol
14:49 <dviererbe> Just FYI I also talked to the docs team about how to involve Ubuntu teams (e.g. SRU team that is not Canonical owned) into the docs in the context of https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-project-docs/pull/8. I was told that there will be a discussion how to approch this topic in Frankfurt
14:49 <cpaelzer> but we start with MIR rules as it is the smallest project to move
14:49 <cpaelzer> to see how well e.g. ACLs in subdirs work
14:49 <cpaelzer> we are the dog-food :-)
14:49 <sarnold> yum!
14:49 <pushkarnk> :)
14:50 <cpaelzer> yes dviererbe, there will be - I was today picking up the "how it is intended to be" to be able to discuss with you
14:50 <cpaelzer> ok, I think that is this topic then
14:50 <cpaelzer> thanks
14:50 <cpaelzer> looking for some weird numbers to count us out
14:50 <cpaelzer> 13
14:50 <cpaelzer> 12
14:50 <sarnold> cpaelzer: is there any chance you know how to add items to the offboarding tasks? when folks leave the company, it'd be nice if their acls on the docs would be considered..
14:50 <sarnold> dang those are some weird numbers!
14:51 <cpaelzer> good thought, but those memberships are by the Ubuntu project not by being employed at Canonical
14:51 <sarnold> cpaelzer: (not necessarily *replaced*, since eg bdmu_rray is still an archive admin despite not being at canonical..)
14:51 <cpaelzer> If someone leaves the MIR team, we'd be removing them - from the LP team and in the ACLs
14:52 <cpaelzer> ideally we could just refer GH ACls to LP teams, but AFAIk we can not
14:52 <sarnold> (delay in typing due to surprise at not seeing jdst_rand on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/+members#active any more, and wodnering if I found the right page, lol)
14:52 <cpaelzer> hehe
14:53 <sarnold> anyway you guys have an evening to get to, i've said enough :) thanks
14:53 <cpaelzer> fine with me
14:53 <cpaelzer> we are here to say/type things
14:53 <cpaelzer> let me yell into the hallway for other random numbers again
14:53 <cpaelzer> 13 again
14:53 <cpaelzer> entropy sucks over here
14:53 <sarnold> lol
14:53 <cpaelzer> #endmeeting