== Meeting information ==

 * #ubuntu-meeting: Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team meeting, started by juliank, 02 May at 15:01 — 15:34 UTC.
 * Full logs at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-05-02-15.01.log.html



== Meeting summary ==

=== Lightning rounds ===

Discussion started by juliank at 15:01.

 * ''LINK:'' https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-2024-05-02/   (juliank, 15:01)

=== Release incoming bugs ===

Discussion started by juliank at 15:08.

 * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 15:09)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 15:20)

=== Team proposed-migration report ===

Discussion started by juliank at 15:25.

 * ''LINK:'' https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 15:25)

=== AOB ===

Discussion started by juliank at 15:28.




== People present (lines said) ==

 * juliank (73)
 * vorlon (22)
 * bdrung (3)
 * xypron (3)
 * meetingology (2)
 * dbungert (1)
 * mateus-morais (1)
 * Skia (1)



== Full log ==


 15:01 <juliank> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team

 15:01 <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:01:43 UTC.  The chair is juliank.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology

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 15:01 <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds

 15:01 <juliank> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-2024-05-02/

 15:02 <juliank> Most forgot so I guess um 5 minutes only today because not much to read

 15:03 * juliank has blacked out a bit as to what happened this week

 15:04 <juliank> Holiday yesterday sure did not help

 15:04 <bdrung> lost all memory after first of May?

 15:04 <juliank> yeah

 15:06 <juliank> Questions, comments, additional memories recovered?

 15:07 <bdrung> Recovered memory: I worked on the sponsoring report generation.

 15:07 <juliank> When can we finally get https again for reports.qa.ubuntu.com? This is adding minutes of extra effort trying to convince firefox with https forced to downgrade

 15:07 <dbungert> mateus-morais: "are not Canonical owned" - I assume that should be "are now Canonical owned" ?

 15:08 <vorlon> juliank: you probably need to ask Brian to follow up on this

 15:08 <mateus-morais> dbungert: oops, yeah, fixing now, thanks!

 15:08 <juliank> vorlon: yeah

 15:08 <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs

 15:08 <bdrung> juliank, when we setup letsencrypt (in a session in Madrid?)

 15:09 <juliank> We do not have oo yet

 15:09 <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 15:09 <juliank> bug 2061214 I should untag, sorry

 15:09 <juliank> (that was the software-properties-qt shenanigan)

 15:10 <juliank> vorlon: I suppose we can delete src:software-properties-qt in oracular now, should be superseded by new binary software-properties-qt from software-properties

 15:10 <vorlon> sure, checking

 15:10 <juliank> bug 2063094 so far we don't have actionable intel on, waiting for it to happen to me or tracking

 15:11 <juliank> ubottu: .

 15:11 <juliank> It dead

 15:11 <juliank> Oh I guess Launchpad is the one that is dead

 15:11 <vorlon> juliank: it's not superseded yet, software-properties 0.99.49 is still in -proposed

 15:11 <juliank> ah

 15:11 <juliank> let's try again

 15:11 <juliank> bug 2063094 so far we don't have actionable intel on, waiting for it to happen to me or tracking

 15:12 <juliank> (seb is collecting data it happens a lot to him)

 15:12 <juliank> bug 2063128

 15:13 <vorlon> should be fixed in the package popping the prompt, not worked around in u-r-u

 15:13 <vorlon> so decline

 15:13 <juliank> ah so if it is a new prompt we should not ask it on upgrades

 15:14 <juliank> launchpad is not responsive

 15:14 <vorlon> it is for me

 15:14 <vorlon> I've commented the bug and marked the u-r-u task wontfix

 15:15 <juliank> I think I marked it Invalid after that

 15:15 <juliank> But some loads take ages

 15:15 <juliank> Let me set it back

 15:15 <vorlon> oh ok.  also I lied I marked it invalid not wontfix ;)

 15:16 <juliank> heh

 15:16 <juliank> Anyway

 15:16 <juliank> bug 2060326

 15:16 <juliank> See ubottu has trouble too

 15:16 <juliank> bug 2060326

 15:16 <juliank> bug 2060326

 15:16 <juliank> " unattended-upgrades is running forever "

 15:16 <juliank> probably a duplicate of Brian's bug

 15:17 <vorlon> NOW launchpad is unresponsive for me

 15:17 <juliank> oh sorry it says " unnattended upgrades stuck burning 100% cpu "

 15:17 <vorlon> we should take it

 15:18 <vorlon> and if we figure out it's a dupe, ok

 15:18 <juliank> I just mark it as a dupe, it quite clearly is one and we can dedup later

 15:18 <juliank> but we need to get needs information

 15:18 <vorlon> ok

 15:20 <juliank> mm has nothing new, just the desktop bugs

 15:20 <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 15:20 <juliank> bug 2058743

 15:20 <xypron> unattended-upgrades is really taking long time on embedded boards.

 15:20 <juliank> taking a long time != not finishing

 15:21 <xypron> hours

 15:21 <juliank> and we can relatively trivially make it a lot faster fwiw

 15:21 <xypron> I just dropped it for cron-apt running when I sleep.

 15:21 <juliank> We just don't use action groups right now, but neither do we use the new inhibit action group feature

 15:22 <juliank> i.e. a lot of time is spent after each mark_install() call for each upgradable package to figure out which packages are now autoremovable

 15:22 <juliank> The new API I need to expose then we can use it

 15:23 <juliank> or we just keep a continuous action group when we open the cache, though it might not be enough

 15:23 <juliank> (it has its own internal one?)

 15:23 <juliank> Anyway

 15:23 <juliank> systemd loocal dns tests failing

 15:23 <juliank> slyon was talking to smb on the bug

 15:24 <juliank> but nothing new there

 15:24 <juliank> And ff is empty so I suppose that wraps up bugs

 15:24 <juliank> I'll try to have a look at unattended-upgrades upstream status, the whole thing is weirdly still maintained by mvo

 15:25 <juliank> he released a 2.10 but it ftbfs

 15:25 <juliank> #topic Team proposed-migration report

 15:25 <juliank> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs

 15:25 <juliank> vorlon: do migration or skip?

 15:26 <vorlon> we can do it

 15:26 <juliank> We can do grey items

 15:26 <juliank> :)

 15:26 <vorlon> oracular is open

 15:26 <vorlon> nah that's generally not a good use of time

 15:27 <juliank> well then fwupd-signed should be removed; nullboot I need to talk to gjolly if we can ship that for oracular now

 15:27 <vorlon> "should be removed" why?

 15:27 <juliank> and software-properties I guess needs retries

 15:27 <vorlon> (can do, just want to know the reason)

 15:27 <juliank> vorlon: it was a wrongly uploaded rebuild of mine

 15:27 <vorlon> ok

 15:27 <vorlon> done

 15:28 <vorlon> ok so probably nothing to actually assign out here

 15:28 <juliank> vorlon: So software-properties needs to be force-skiptested because it fails with software-properties-qt

 15:28 <vorlon> yeah, will hint

 15:28 <vorlon> done

 15:28 <juliank> thanks

 15:28 <juliank> #topic AOB

 15:28 <juliank> That leaves any otter business

 15:29 <juliank> 🦦

 15:29 <Skia> wow, I had never seen an otter in my terminal yet

 15:33 <juliank> mkukri: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2-unsigned/+bug/2057679 still needs verification

 15:34 <juliank> #endmeeting



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