15:01 <bdmurray> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team 15:01 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Aug 20 15:01:44 2020 UTC. The chair is bdmurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 15:01 <meetingology> 15:01 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 15:02 <bdmurray> #topic Lightning rounds 15:02 <bdmurray> echo $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity mwhudson juliank waveform slyon) 15:02 <bdmurray> mwhudson sil2100 bdmurray vorlon tdaitx doko waveform juliank infinity rbalint xnox slyon 15:02 <bdmurray> sil2100: you win! 15:02 <sil2100> OH NO 15:02 <sil2100> Ok 15:03 <sil2100> - Was off on Monday 15:03 <sil2100> - SRU reviews and releases 15:03 <sil2100> - Kernel SRUs 15:03 <sil2100> - Last week: 18.04.5 and 16.04.7, UC18 15:03 <sil2100> - Building UC16 candidates, preparing appliance images for promotion 15:03 <sil2100> - Tweaks on the delivery system for gadget snaps 15:03 <sil2100> - Interviews 15:03 <sil2100> - Pi desktop-related discussions 15:03 <sil2100> - Eoan EOL 15:03 <sil2100> - Investigating UC18 kassel image issues, no luck so far 15:03 <sil2100> (done) 15:03 * juliank is near real-town Kassel 15:03 <bdmurray> updated metarelease files for point releases 15:03 <bdmurray> helped testing nodejs packages for -proposed migration 15:03 <bdmurray> reported juju bug LP: #1891561 15:03 <bdmurray> uploaded new upstream version of python-gmpy2 to Ubuntu and Debian 15:03 <bdmurray> reviewed and merged fix for LP: #1611737 15:03 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1891561 in juju "Openstack empty string filtering breaks Juju network selection" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1891561 15:03 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1611737 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Focal) "Can't upgrade from a release if ros packages are installed from ROS servers" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1611737 15:04 <bdmurray> reported friendly-recovery bug LP: #1891952 15:04 <bdmurray> sync'ed pycairo from debian to fix FTBFS issue 15:04 <bdmurray> uploaded zope.interface fixing FTBFS 15:04 <bdmurray> investigation into LP: #1798369 15:04 <bdmurray> uploaded apt-clone fix for LP: #1858326 15:04 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1891952 in friendly-recovery (Ubuntu) "systemd-resolved not started when networking enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1891952 15:04 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1798369 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Reinstall Ubuntu (with preserving existing data) shows error message due to "Could not get lock /target/var/cache/apt/archives/lock"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1798369 15:04 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1858326 in apt-clone (Ubuntu Focal) "apt-clone crashed with AttributeError in __main__: module 'lsb_release' has no attribute 'get_lsb_information'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1858326 15:04 <bdmurray> updated cleanup-NBS-for-EOL for new britney output 15:04 <bdmurray> Eoan EOL work 15:04 <bdmurray> putting out fires 🔥 15:04 <bdmurray> ✔ done 15:04 <bdmurray> vorlon: 15:04 <vorlon> hmm move me to the end please 15:05 <vorlon> tdaitx: ? 15:05 <tdaitx> - tested binaries and ran autopkgtest for xz-utils stuck in focal-proposed; rerun failed apt/armhf autopkgtest 15:05 <tdaitx> - local setup for running jck snap in a lxc container 15:05 <tdaitx> - reviewed need for remote agent as docs & config have ambiguous descriptions 15:05 <tdaitx> - fixing scilab: rebuilding deps, backporting patches from groovy 15:05 <tdaitx> (done) 15:05 <juliank> 620335 15:05 <juliank> 256388 15:06 <juliank> bad yubikey 15:06 <xnox> bug #256388 15:06 <ubottu> bug 256388 in python2.5 (Ubuntu) "strange recursion with help() on python" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/256388 15:06 <xnox> bug #620335 15:06 <ubottu> bug 620335 in linux (Ubuntu) "xv video output not work on GeForce 6100 with nouveau driver" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620335 15:06 <juliank> I think doko is off, so it's waveform's turn 15:06 <xnox> waveform: ? 15:06 <waveform> * Investigated eth dhcp issue on core20; unable to reproduce (LP: #1878640) 15:06 <waveform> * Bluetooth testing on core (re LP: #1890817) 15:06 <waveform> * Fixed EGL/GLES issue in pending userland package (LP: #1891613) 15:06 <waveform> * Investigated lapack migration (unsuccessfully) 15:06 <waveform> * ubuntu-image work for devices and pi image building 15:06 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1878640 in netplan.io (Ubuntu Groovy) "uc20 image on pi often cannot get ip addr via eth0 on first boot of run mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1878640 15:06 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1890817 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu Groovy) "Request to include pi-bluetooth in raspi images" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1890817 15:06 <waveform> * pi-gadget work 15:06 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1891613 in raspberrypi-userland (Ubuntu) "libraspberrypi0 not installable" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1891613 15:06 <waveform> * Testing USB boot modes on pi4 15:06 <waveform> (done) 15:07 <juliank> aug 20: 15:07 <juliank> * sponsored python-gmpy2 NMU to Debian for bdmurray (debian bug 965001) 15:07 <ubottu> Debian bug 965001 in src:python-gmpy2 "strange version 2.1.0 beta4 fails tests with mpfr4 4.1.0" [Serious,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/965001 15:07 <juliank> * grub bug triage 15:07 <juliank> - booting 32-bit kernels on 64-bit UEFI is no-no 15:07 <juliank> - a laptop that can't find our grub -> firmware broken, can't find nvme device 15:07 <juliank> * SRUed grub to focal (not gonna list the bugs again) 15:07 <juliank> * fixed memtest86+ in groovy, and SRUed to focal: Close FD 3 when invoking update-grub (LP: #1876506) 15:07 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1876506 in os-prober (Ubuntu Focal) "eoan to focal upgrade hangs when lvm snapshot is present" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1876506 15:07 <juliank> * talked with Laney about OEM stuff 15:07 <juliank> (done) 15:08 <bdmurray> rbalint is out 15:08 <bdmurray> xnox: 15:08 <xnox> progressing with needrestart work on cloud/server 15:08 <xnox> microcode-initrd source-new accepted! hooray, now waiting for bin-new 15:09 <xnox> started libffi 8.1.0 abi snapshot builds in bileto ppa with cet enabled 15:09 <xnox> uploaded secureboot-db into unapproved for all the series 15:09 <xnox> followed up on tlp MIR 15:09 <xnox> progressing with safer grub-install with built-in rollbacks 15:09 <xnox> positive test feedback for finalrd for core16 (needs finalrd backports) 15:09 <xnox> done 15:09 <bdmurray> lucas is out 15:09 <bdmurray> #topic Release incoming bugs 15:09 <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs 15:10 <vorlon> oh ok I won't give my status then, it was boring anyway ;) 15:10 <bdmurray> that's your perogative 15:10 <bdmurray> bug 1891952 15:10 <ubottu> bug 1891952 in friendly-recovery (Ubuntu) "systemd-resolved not started when networking enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1891952 15:11 <bdmurray> I ran into this when my laptop wouldn't boot with the new systemd 15:11 <bdmurray> Well I couldn't get an x-session 15:12 <bdmurray> I should retest this with the old systemd so will 15:13 <mclemenceau> I will card this 15:13 <bdmurray> bug 1892040 15:13 <ubottu> bug 1892040 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Focal) "US keyboard layout even if a non english language is selected in ubiquity-dm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1892040 15:13 <bdmurray> Is this a duplicate of the card we took the other day? 15:14 <vorlon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1875062 15:14 <vorlon> L? 15:14 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1875062 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Focal) "[20.04] Keyboard layout not enabled immediately during installation when typing username/password" [High,Triaged] 15:14 <vorlon> ? 15:15 <bdmurray> That's the one of which I'm thinking 15:15 <cpaelzer> mclemenceau: hi I made it out of the other calls - if I might interrupt in which section do I want to talk about mine? 15:16 <mclemenceau> it's coming soon cpaelzer 15:16 <bdmurray> well let's card this and comment in the existing card about this bug 15:17 <mclemenceau> ok carded! 15:18 <bdmurray> bug 1891623 15:18 <ubottu> bug 1891623 in gcc-10 (Ubuntu) "Can't build Libreoffice with gcc-10, always ends with a Segmentation Fault in the build or resulting binaries" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1891623 15:18 <bdmurray> I guess we should take this 15:19 <Laney> Heather's trying to reproduce 15:20 <bdmurray> Okay so can we let it wait Laney? 15:20 <Laney> would be good if d_oko or whoever and Heather could work together 15:20 <bdmurray> d_oko is out for a while 15:20 <Laney> ah ok 15:20 <xnox> Laney: yeah, ideally we'd want preprocessed source of a "small" binary (if there is any), the binary, and the coredump / traceback? 15:20 <Laney> I know 15:20 <Laney> but the first step is reproducing it at all 15:20 <xnox> and yes d o k o is out for 2 weeks =/ 15:20 <Laney> come back to it next week 15:20 <bdmurray> Will do thanks 15:20 <bdmurray> Okay cpaelzer its your turn 15:21 <cpaelzer> hehe 15:21 <cpaelzer> thanks 15:21 <mclemenceau> I tagged this one this morning bug 1892358 not showing on the report yet 15:21 <ubottu> bug 1892358 in systemd (Ubuntu) "autopkgtest success rate dropped inhibiting proposed migration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1892358 15:21 <cpaelzer> I was this morning trying to catch rbalint for systemd autopkgtest fail-rate 15:21 <cpaelzer> but learned that he's unavailable atm 15:21 <cpaelzer> thanks mclemenceau for the bug 15:22 <cpaelzer> I only wnated to ask if someone here could take a look so that we have a second opinion 15:22 <xnox> cpaelzer: that looks like a normal / good pass rate 15:22 <xnox> i mean, it used to be way worse 15:22 <cpaelzer> xnox: 10/10 last tests failed 15:22 <cpaelzer> if that is normal I maybe should change expectations :-) 15:22 <cpaelzer> I just want to avoid retrying on aveagre ~20 times per test per arch 15:23 <xnox> at one point i spent more than a year with migrating systemd based on a superset of multiple test runs. 15:23 <xnox> i.e. there tests passed in this run, that test pasted in that run, and that one i will try to fix next time. 15:23 <xnox> and next time something else regressed. 15:23 <xnox> i agree with the sentiment. 15:23 <cpaelzer> yeah, but for now in groovy we have to do something 15:23 <cpaelzer> "tests-in-lxd" and "systemd-fsckd" droped below an acceptable rate 15:23 <xnox> however we just landed new upstream release, and it usually does regress a lot. 15:24 <cpaelzer> I remember xnox last time you worked on itit was fsckd as well and boot-smoke or something like that 15:24 <xnox> fsckd one is being fixed in bileto already, that was assigned and was worked last week / this week. 15:24 <cpaelzer> xnox: yes 246 seems to have made it worse 15:24 <xnox> lxd => is related to snapd & networkd regressions that are being fixed in snapd 15:24 <xnox> so there are things that are known and worked on too. 15:24 <cpaelzer> fsckd of the last three days are all bad, does this fix need to land first? 15:25 <cpaelzer> do you have a bug on the snapd/network bug I could track? 15:25 <juliank> g 15:25 * juliank typo 15:25 <cpaelzer> initially all I asked was "are these knowns and are there bugs I could track" to if you know them let me know the urls 15:25 <xnox> cpaelzer: please stand by whilst i try to find those two fixes 15:26 <bdmurray> cpaelzer: if xnox gives you bugs / something to watch will you be happy? 15:26 <xnox> cpaelzer: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3801 has fixes for fsckd & networkd 15:27 <xnox> cpaelzer: see https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_39a8dbb93caf4ec889f8a1b7f69885db/bileto-3801/2020-08-20_11:08:36/groovy_systemd_packaging_changes.diff 15:27 <xnox> which should improve/fix/resolve the lxd & fsckd tests. 15:27 <xnox> bug 1886886 15:27 <ubottu> bug 1886886 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Plymouth 0.9.5 release" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1886886 15:27 <xnox> and 15:27 <cpaelzer> bdmurray: for now yes, if this takes too long we all will want some interim fixes - but for now I'm fine 15:27 <xnox> bug 1891716 15:27 <ubottu> bug 1891716 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Networking broken after systemd update" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1891716 15:28 <bdmurray> cpaelzer: okay, then we will move on and leave your bug open for next week 15:28 <xnox> cpaelzer: i mean i could tag them "update-excuse" but that will not make them pop up on the test results of reverse deps? 15:28 <cpaelzer> thanks bdmurray and xnox 15:28 <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs 15:29 <bdmurray> bug 1891641 15:29 <ubottu> bug 1891641 in debconf (Ubuntu) "package unattended-upgrades 2.3ubuntu0.1 failed to install/upgrade: installed unattended-upgrades package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1891641 15:29 <juliank> duplicate 15:29 * juliank searches bug 15:30 <juliank> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627564 15:30 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1627564 in Ubuntu "Debconf crash due to assertion failure in ensure_surface_for_gicon [gtkiconhelper.c:493] (when png loader is missing/during upgrades)" [High,Confirmed] 15:31 <bdmurray> that's that for FF then 15:31 <bdmurray> so next 15:31 <bdmurray> #topic FTBFS with gcc-10 15:31 <xnox> re FTBFS bugs in GG 15:31 <xnox> klibc 2.0.7-1ubuntu5 ✓ i386 (F) → Log amd64 (F) → Log armhf (F) → Log arm64 (F) → Log ppc64el (F) → Log s390x (F) → Log PTS BTS doko N 15:31 <xnox> hfsplus 1.0.4-15 ✓ amd64 (F) → Log armhf (F) → Log arm64 (F) → Log ppc64el (F) → Log s390x (F) → Log PTS BTS juliank N 15:31 <xnox> nfs-utils 1:1.3.4-2.5ubuntu5 ✓ amd64 (F) → Log armhf (F) → Log arm64 (F) → Log ppc64el (F) → Log s390x (F) → Log PTS BTS juliank N 15:31 <xnox> golang-1.13 1.13.8-1ubuntu1 ✓ arm64 (F) → Log PTS BTS mwhudson RM 15:31 <xnox> golang-1.14 1.14.4-1ubuntu2 ✓ arm64 (F) → Log PTS BTS mwhudson N 15:32 <xnox> syslinux-legacy 2:3.63+dfsg-2ubuntu9 ✓ amd64 (F) → Log PTS BTS mwhudson RM 15:32 <xnox> glibc 2.31-0ubuntu10 ✓ armhf (F) → Log arm64 (F) → Log 1714514 1571684 PTS BTS rbalint N 15:32 <xnox> logrotate 3.14.0-4ubuntu4 ✓ amd64 (F) → Log armhf (F) → Log arm64 (F) → Log ppc64el (F) → Log s390x (F) → Log PTS BTS rbalint N 15:32 <xnox> pexpect 4.6.0-3 ✓ amd64 (F) → Log 1891193 PTS BTS slyon N 15:32 <xnox> efivar 37-2ubuntu4 ✓ amd64 (F) → Log armhf (F) → Log arm64 (F) → Log PTS BTS tdaitx N 15:32 <xnox> pyparted 3.11.2-11.1build1 ✓ amd64 (F) → Log armhf (F) → Log arm64 (F) → Log ppc64el (F) → Log s390x (F) → Log PTS BTS tdaitx N 15:32 <xnox> lapack 3.9.0-2 ✓ ppc64el (F) → Log 1708735 PTS BTS xnox N 15:32 <xnox> netkit-ftp 0.17-34.1build1 ✓ amd64 (F) → Log armhf (F) → Log arm64 (F) → Log ppc64el (F) → Log s390x (F) → Log PTS BTS xnox N 15:32 <vorlon> make it staaaaahp 15:32 <xnox> db5.3 5.3.28+dfsg1-0.6ubuntu2 ✓ i386 (F) → Log amd64 (F) → Log armhf (F) → Log arm64 (F) → Log ppc64el (F) → Log s390x (F) → Log PTS BTS xnox N 15:32 <xnox> not what i wanted! 15:32 <xnox> klibc 15:32 <xnox> hfsplus 15:32 <xnox> nfs-utils 15:32 <xnox> golang-1.13 15:32 <xnox> golang-1.14 15:32 <xnox> syslinux-legacy 15:32 <xnox> glibc 15:32 <xnox> logrotate 15:32 <xnox> pexpect 15:32 <xnox> efivar 15:32 <xnox> pyparted 15:32 <xnox> lapack 15:32 <xnox> netkit-ftp 15:32 <xnox> db5.3 15:32 <xnox> are still to do 15:33 <tdaitx> libstd was fixed on debian, already synced to groovy 15:33 <tdaitx> I have a backport for a gcc-10 for pyparted 15:33 <tdaitx> have a broad look at efivar 15:34 <xnox> tdaitx: tah 15:35 <xnox> and we have assignees to fix those, please do that. 15:35 <xnox> bdmurray: next?! 15:35 <bdmurray> Are there people that need to hand things off given schedules next week? 15:35 <juliank> i don't know! 15:35 <juliank> I'm 50% gone 15:35 <xnox> juliank: you have 15:35 <xnox> hfsplus 15:35 <xnox> nfs-utils 15:35 <juliank> It sounds ok, I suppose 15:35 <juliank> we'll see 15:35 <juliank> :) 15:36 <bdmurray> okay moving on 15:36 <bdmurray> #topic Team proposed-migration report 15:36 <vorlon> [LINK] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs 15:36 <vorlon> looking much better this week :) 15:37 <vorlon> lapack, blocked by an autopkgtest on a revdep 15:37 <vorlon> sil2100: would you like this? 15:37 <sil2100> Sure! 15:37 <vorlon> google-compute-engine-oslogin is rbalint's 15:37 <waveform> I've got lapack at the mo 15:37 <sil2100> ...then I guess not! 15:38 <sil2100> ;) 15:38 <xnox> but there is also lapack ftbfs 15:38 <vorlon> oh was this carry-over? 15:38 <xnox> so it's all three of us? 15:38 <sil2100> waveform: continue working on it then, thanks o/ 15:38 <vorlon> sil2100: you're off the hook 15:38 * sil2100 won for the second time today 15:39 <vorlon> pam is mine because assigned to me for ftbfs, but I'm not messing with the autopkgtests on the current version in -proposed because I'm prepping a new upstream version for Debian 15:39 <vorlon> dnspython: sil2100: you can have this one 15:40 <vorlon> gdbm: autopkgtest failure on i386, this one's never been investigated since we made i386 compat-only 15:40 <vorlon> would anyone like to take a look at this or is it going to default to me like all the i386 stuff? :) 15:40 <vorlon> oh I uploaded it 15:40 <vorlon> so it defaults to me anyway ;) 15:40 <xnox> i was gonna say..... 15:41 <sil2100> vorlon: okay! 15:41 <vorlon> ok gdbm is mine 15:41 <vorlon> sensible-utils: bdmurray? 15:41 <xnox> on slyon? the sync was his request to fix ftbfs 15:41 <vorlon> plymouth vs systemd, rbalint already has a fixed staged for that AIUI 15:41 <bdmurray> inconceivable! 15:41 <vorlon> xnox: which one? 15:41 <xnox> autodep8 was mine, but i am failing to comprehend why ti's failing. 15:41 <xnox> vorlon: slon => sensible-utils 15:42 <vorlon> ok, sensible-utils to slyon, not bdmurray 15:42 <vorlon> xnox: do you want to keep it or hand it off? 15:42 <xnox> so i want to give up autodep8 to someone else please 15:42 <vorlon> autodep8: bdmurray? 15:42 <bdmurray> okay 15:42 <vorlon> libgitlab-api-v4-perl: tdaitx? 15:43 <tdaitx> ok 15:43 <juliank> (that's a merge of bash-completion FWIW) 15:43 <vorlon> lintian: juliank? 15:43 <juliank> (libgitlab-api-v4-perl) 15:43 <juliank> yeah 15:43 <juliank> I need to talk to lintian folks about that anyway 15:43 <vorlon> dput: xnox? 15:43 <juliank> it also fails in normal lxd containers 15:43 <xnox> ok 15:43 <vorlon> actually 15:44 <vorlon> that's really setuptools 15:44 <vorlon> xnox: you ok to take setuptools? 15:44 <xnox> i thought +1 was bootstrapping lintian to be fair 15:44 <xnox> vorlon: sure 15:44 <vorlon> sqlite3 15:44 <juliank> dput is .. just a timeout 15:44 <Laney> I am bootstrapping lintian, I am not dealing with the autopkgtest failure or the component-mismatch atm 15:44 <xnox> ah, ok, thanks. 15:44 <juliank> (in some cleanup hook) 15:45 <vorlon> juliank: ok if lintian is no work for you because Laney, can you take sqlite3? 15:45 <Laney> noooo, please keep the autopkgtest at least :p 15:45 <vorlon> oh :) 15:45 <vorlon> then who wants sqlite3? 15:45 <vorlon> I think everyone's been assigned one 15:45 <vorlon> so who's hungry for seconds 15:45 <juliank> So lintian is fine, but sqlite3 is that a gcc-10 bug? 15:45 <Laney> (the MIR you can reply to my question in #-release to determine if there's work required) 15:45 <juliank> /tmp/autopkgtest.4tqIue/build.vxn/src/debian/tests/run-unit-tests: line 29: 1275 Illegal instruction (core dumped) hyphy "$i" 15:46 <xnox> hyphy is a pile of code that is fragile, it could be hyphy buggy too 15:47 <juliank> move on? 15:47 <vorlon> and that's the list 15:47 <vorlon> bdmurray: 15:48 <bdmurray> #topic AOB 15:48 <juliank> I'm mornings-mostly next week 15:48 <juliank> And DebConfing 15:48 <juliank> I don't how distracting DebConf online will be 15:48 <xnox> and LinuxPlumbers 15:48 <bdmurray> So bug 1798369 I've heard some comments that we should get rid of this and I'd like some reasons 15:48 <ubottu> bug 1798369 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Reinstall Ubuntu (with preserving existing data) shows error message due to "Could not get lock /target/var/cache/apt/archives/lock"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1798369 15:49 <juliank> There are bugs every release cycle about it and nobody really gives it much testing 15:50 <bdmurray> which it though? The restore packages option or the whole reinstall option? 15:51 <juliank> restore packages 15:51 <juliank> I want to keep $HOME, but not try to reinstall packages that were installed 15:51 <xnox> so, restoring packages indeed doesn't quite make sense 15:52 <juliank> maybe save an apt-clone tarball in /var/log 15:52 <xnox> restoring snaps might, but i don't know if we preserve /var/lib/snapd 15:52 <bdmurray> hey let's not make new features! 15:53 <bdmurray> Okay, I'll discuss with the desktop team about removing the restore packages option. 15:54 <bdmurray> anything else? 15:54 <bdmurray> okay, thanks everybody 15:54 <bdmurray> #endmeeting