15:00 #startmeeting Developer Membership Board 15:00 Meeting started Mon Oct 21 15:00:38 2019 UTC. The chair is cyphermox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 15:00 15:00 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 15:01 #topic Review of previous action items 15:01 tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know 15:01 oh, and I was forgetting 15:01 #votesrequired 4 15:01 votes now need 4 to be passed 15:01 #voters cyphermox slashd rbasak sil2100 tsimonq2 jbicha micahg 15:01 Warning: Nick not in channel: jbicha 15:01 Warning: Nick not in channel: micahg 15:01 Current voters: cyphermox jbicha micahg rbasak sil2100 slashd tsimonq2 15:02 tsimonq2: you around? 15:02 o/ 15:02 uh oh 15:02 ok; carrying over I guess 15:02 Yeah 15:02 slashd to make ACL changes for xtrusia's successful contributing developer application 15:02 reportedly done 15:02 it is indeed done ^ 15:03 slashd to announce xtrusia's successful contributing developer application (done) 15:03 cool, so all done; I'll update the agenda afterwards 15:03 \o/ 15:03 :( 15:04 Expiry policy for flavor developer team membership 15:04 oops 15:04 marcustomlinson: what's wrong? 15:04 won't meet quorum today? 15:04 so far we're not quorate, no 15:04 but there's a chance 15:04 #topic Expiry policy for flavor developer team membership 15:04 Well, so we have votes from Robie 15:04 So we can vote I think 15:04 ah, good 15:04 ah I see, I misread "cool, so all done" 15:04 well, postpone expiry though? 15:05 cyphermox, sil2100 : we are good to proceed with vote today 15:05 yes okay 15:05 but not quorate to discuss expiry policy? 15:05 right 15:05 cyphermox: yeah, let's postpone the expiry 15:05 and also, is there much to discuss or is it just implementing 15:05 I think it's actually just implementing 15:06 I'll take an action to actually start looking into a report for this at the very least 15:06 #action cyphermox to build report for expiry from dev teams 15:06 * meetingology cyphermox to build report for expiry from dev teams 15:06 #topic DMB elections for the expired 2 members 15:07 so; me and jbicha had expired, because technically our term is over 15:07 but I've asked the TB to reinstate us so we could be useful long enough to get voting done 15:07 any one of us familiar enough with condorcet to set this up? 15:07 otherwise I'll ask Laney for how to do it ^ 15:09 I'll take that as a no ;) 15:09 #action cyphermox to setup nominations, voting for new DMB members 15:09 * meetingology cyphermox to setup nominations, voting for new DMB members 15:09 #topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications 15:10 #subtopic GunnarHj ibus-avro PPU 15:10 GunnarHj doesn't seem to be around 15:10 hmm 15:11 Since it's just addition to the PPU, should we maybe just do it? 15:11 I can't remember the procedures for this 15:12 if it's consistent, if it was a pacakgeset 15:12 but this is PPU 15:12 depends on whether he can upload things to Debian 15:13 I think we at least need more than just an email 15:13 "This way, any DMB member may update the glob expansions for Gunnar (by relying on their existing definition) without needing to refer to the full DMB for agreement or the TB to make the change. " 15:13 since I got highlighted :-) 15:13 Laney: ;) 15:13 ah, I didn't remember this one ;) 15:13 Laney: thanks! 15:13 \o/ 15:13 #agreed 15:13 so, JFDI 15:13 sil2100: you want to do the honours? 15:15 cyphermox: sure o/ 15:16 cool 15:16 #action sil2100 to update PPU for Gunnar, adding ibus-avro 15:16 * meetingology sil2100 to update PPU for Gunnar, adding ibus-avro 15:16 wheee 15:16 #subtopic marcustomlinson - LibreOffice PPU 15:16 marcustomlinson: hey hey 15:16 o/ 15:17 marcustomlinson: Would you like to summarize why you're here today, and what your work has been on Ubuntu? We do have the wiki page but it's nice to hear anyway :) 15:18 sure, I’ve been contributing to Ubuntu since late 2013 15:18 much of the first 4 years was Unity heavy 15:18 in the last year I've been deeply involved in snap integration on Desktop and LibreOffice 15:18 Since starting on Libreoffice we've gone from over 800 open bugs to under 400 :) 15:19 and I've prepared probably around 15 or so releases 15:19 that's the short version :) 15:19 awesome :) 15:20 sil2100: rbasak: slashd: tsimonq2: any questions for marcustomlinson ? 15:22 oh I see I've done 26 releases ;) 15:22 marcustomlinson, at which point in the devel release you stop introducing new features ? 15:23 feature freeze 15:23 and how do you know when is the specific date ? 15:24 Good question, I trust my team calendar at the mo 15:24 F is not out yet, by here's the one for eoan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseSchedule 15:24 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseSchedule 15:24 ah too slow 15:25 ;p 15:25 marcustomlinson: let's say you uploaded a new libreoffice to focal but it seems to be stuck in -proposed - what and where would you look for reasons 'why'? 15:25 How would you proceed? 15:25 I'd ping a vanguard on #ubuntu-release 15:27 What vanguard would you ping? 15:27 And isn't there something you could investigate by yourself? 15:27 I usually use the list here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates 15:27 depending on day 15:27 marcustomlinson, before pinging the vanguard, what can be done by yourself ? 15:28 marcustomlinson: this is a focal upload, so for the development release - the SRU team doesn't really take care of the devel release ;) 15:29 slashd: to be honest I don't know 15:29 marcustomlinson: what about update_excuses? 15:29 ah ok 15:29 marcustomlinson: did you have any experience with update_excuses so far? 15:29 right, I always run all my autopkgtests before upload, but yes how it effects others 15:30 sil2100: yes https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#nspr 15:30 I fixed a funk s390x issue recently in fact 15:31 <3 15:31 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1832360 15:31 Launchpad bug 1832360 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "autopkgtests flaky on s390x" [Medium,Fix released] 15:31 marcustomlinson: ok, just remember to always make sure to look at update_excuses for the uploads you make 15:31 Anyway, I have no other questions 15:31 sil2100: indeed, brain fart 15:31 no more questions as well 15:32 okay 15:32 #vote marcustomlinson to gain Per-package upload rights for libreoffice 15:32 Please vote on: marcustomlinson to gain Per-package upload rights for libreoffice 15:32 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 15:32 humm 15:32 actually, is that wrong? because there are some satellite packages to libreoffice? 15:33 such as? libreoffice-l10n? 15:33 cyphermox, should we also vote for contribution developer ? I see 2 application from marcustomlinson 15:33 ppu + contrib developer 15:34 contrib developer is irrelevant if this vote passes :) 15:34 marcustomlinson: yes, libreoffice-l10n 15:35 libreoffice-l10n at least is not a thing anymore from Eoan (thanks to me - he says hinting at more votes :P) 15:35 and IIRC some of your predecessors had once requested PPU for some other things 15:35 but yes for SRUs from D back I'll need that 15:35 ah, cool 15:35 well, let's vote on libreoffice first, and then we can (maybe) vote on adding l10n, if the rest of the board agrees to it 15:36 voting is already open; please cast your votes :) 15:36 +1 15:36 +1 received from cyphermox 15:37 +1 15:37 +1 received from slashd 15:42 sil2100, ? 15:43 +1 15:43 +1 received from sil2100 15:43 (apologies, got pulled into a meeting) 15:43 We also got an anticipated vote from rbasak (+1) 15:44 that's a +4 15:44 \o/ 15:44 #endvote 15:44 Voting ended on: marcustomlinson to gain Per-package upload rights for libreoffice 15:44 Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 15:44 Motion denied 15:44 XD 15:44 #agreed Motion carried; meetingology is drunk 15:45 Congrats marcustomlinson ! 15:45 Now; why I said that contributing dev is irrelevant is because all it really gives you is Ubuntu Membership, which you get by being PPU unless you really didn't qualify 15:45 will I be added to ubuntu-developer-members? 15:45 and a little wrench badge on Launchpad 15:45 yep 15:45 well 15:45 that was my point 15:45 you'd be added to ~ubuntu-dev, which gets you membership 15:46 ok 15:46 cool :) 15:46 the only thing the other team gives you is the wrench badge 15:46 I'm not opposed to adding that too if you really care ;) 15:46 I like badges 15:46 :D 15:46 but really, it's just one more thing to renew membership for 15:46 ok 15:46 volunteers to do the team additions? 15:47 cyphermox, I'll do it 15:47 ~ubuntu-dev; and ~ubuntu-developer-members 15:47 thanks guys 15:47 marcustomlinson: congrats 15:47 I'm on purpose skipping voting on Contributing Developer, because as stated, marcustomlinson gets membership by having PPU rights. 15:47 marcustomlinson: congrats! 15:48 #topic MOTU Applications 15:48 sorry to budge in, libreoffice-l10n? 15:49 oh, right 15:49 sil2100: slashd: do you care? do you think this really must be voted on? 15:49 I'm good with it 15:50 +1 on that 15:51 okay then 15:51 #agreed Adding libreoffice-l10n to PPU for marcustomlinson as well, since it's a straightforward l10n satellite package to libreoffice 15:51 awesome thanks 15:52 oh, who does ACL? slashd you'll do it with teams? 15:52 we might need TB help 15:52 (I mean, alongside updating teams in LP) 15:52 or I can deal with the ACL changes 15:53 cyphermox, ok I'll deal with the team add 15:53 #action slashd to add marcustomlinson to the right LP teams 15:53 * meetingology slashd to add marcustomlinson to the right LP teams 15:53 #action cyphermox to update PPU for marcustomlinson, adding libreoffice and libreoffice-l10n 15:53 * meetingology cyphermox to update PPU for marcustomlinson, adding libreoffice and libreoffice-l10n 15:53 okay; am I forgetting anything before we move on to the other requests? 15:54 does everyone still have the time so we can vote? 15:54 yeah I do 15:54 let's take benefit of the quorum to do it 15:54 yup 15:54 #subtopic rafaeldtinoco - MOTU and Ubuntu Server Developer 15:54 o/ 15:55 I'm a bit surprised that Ubuntu Server isn't a properly delegated team 15:56 cyphermox: I can only say this is as it was since before my time here and so far there never was a request/need to change it 15:56 all of us went through DMB to get server upload rights and somewhen later to core-dev 15:56 well, I don't see any indication the DMB has rights to put people in ~ubuntu-server anyway 15:56 when rbasak is available on another day you might ask about the history of it 15:57 oh, then upload rights wouldn't be synced with team though 15:57 but it shouldn't block the discussion of rafaeldtinoco today 15:57 no, no, just trying to understand what we need to be voting for. 15:57 It's ~ubuntu-server-dev 15:57 I guess this is just about the MOTU permissions here 15:57 cyphermox: based on feedback - endorsements - I got from application, I'd like to to know if core-dev is also a possibility. 15:59 well, rbasak probably only gave his vote formally for motu, not core-dev 15:59 I wouldn't want to assume he's +1 on that, even though he might be 16:00 I think Robie said he had questions in case it was a core dev application 16:00 okay 16:00 then yeah, we wouldn't be quorate to vote for core-dev 16:00 sounds good to me 16:00 server or MOTU first? 16:02 #vote rafaeldtinoco to gain MOTU upload rights 16:02 Please vote on: rafaeldtinoco to gain MOTU upload rights 16:02 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 16:03 +1 16:03 +1 received from slashd 16:04 Also, if there are questions, don't hesitate 16:04 +1 16:04 +1 received from cyphermox 16:05 +1 16:05 +1 received from sil2100 16:05 what vote did rbasak leave us? 16:05 +1 from rbasak 16:05 +1 from rbasak received from slashd 16:05 \o/ 16:05 alright; #envote 16:06 #endvote 16:06 Voting ended on: rafaeldtinoco to gain MOTU upload rights 16:06 Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 16:06 Motion denied 16:06 #agreed Motion carried; rbasak left a vote +1 16:06 meetingology: keep up. 16:06 rafaeldtinoco: congrats 16:06 rafaeldtinoco: congratulations :) 16:06 thx a lot! 16:06 let's vote for Server now 16:06 #vote rafaeldtinoco to gain Ubuntu Server upload rights 16:06 Please vote on: rafaeldtinoco to gain Ubuntu Server upload rights 16:06 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 16:07 +1 16:07 +1 received from slashd 16:07 +1 16:07 +1 received from cyphermox 16:09 +1 (seeing that ~4 people from server endorsed his application, makes sense!) 16:09 +1 (seeing that ~4 people from server endorsed his application, makes sense!) received from sil2100 16:10 +1 from rbasak 16:10 +1 from rbasak received from slashd 16:10 yup 16:10 \o/ 16:10 #endvote 16:10 Voting ended on: rafaeldtinoco to gain Ubuntu Server upload rights 16:10 Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 16:10 Motion denied 16:10 #agreed motion carried! 16:10 Congrats rafaeldtinoco 16:10 ;) 16:10 thank you very much ! ill keep up with the work =) 16:10 congrats rafaeldtinoco 16:10 rafaeldtinoco: congrats! Keep up the good work! 16:10 thx! 16:10 okay, volunteers to do team additions then? 16:10 cyphermox, I'll do it 16:11 #action slashd to add rafaeldtinoco to ~ubuntu-server-dev and ~motu 16:11 * meetingology slashd to add rafaeldtinoco to ~ubuntu-server-dev and ~motu 16:11 #topic Outstanding mailing list requests to assign 16:11 are there any? 16:12 looks like negative 16:12 #topic Select a chair for the next meeting 16:12 I nominate... 16:12 rbasak; he's not around to say no! ;) 16:13 (actually, trying to stick to the rotation) 16:13 #topic Any other business 16:13 anything else? 16:14 I guess not 16:14 I think we are good 16:15 #endmeeting