== Meeting information == * #ubuntu-meeting: Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team, 09 May at 15:04 — 15:58 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-05-09-15.04.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Lightning rounds === The discussion about "Lightning rounds" started at 15:05. === Release incoming bugs === The discussion about "Release incoming bugs" started at 15:14. * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs === Team proposed-migration report === The discussion about "Team proposed-migration report" started at 15:49. * ''LINK:'' http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs === AOB === The discussion about "AOB" started at 15:50. == Vote results == == Done items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * vorlon (69) * bdmurray (44) * juliank (27) * gaughen (26) * cyphermox (24) * ubottu (21) * sil2100 (20) * xnox (17) * waveform (8) * seb128 (6) * tdaitx (4) * meetingology (3) == Full Log == 15:04 #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team 15:04 Meeting started Thu May 9 15:04:46 2019 UTC. The chair is gaughen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 15:04 15:04 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 15:04 o\ 15:05 o> 15:05 |o| 15:05 #topic Lightning rounds 15:05 order - infinity doko juliank cyphermox xnox waveform bdmurray tdaitx vorlon rbalint mwhudson sil2100 15:05 ~o~ 15:06 infinity isn't on the channel 15:06 me I guess 15:06 juliank: your turn 15:06 doko is at a srpint 15:06 juliank, it's you 15:06 * booked DebConf travel 15:06 * python-apt SRUs with locking fixes (LP: #1826870) 15:06 Launchpad bug 1826870 in python-apt (Ubuntu Cosmic) "cache.commit() doesn't release the archives lock" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1826870 15:06 * Various work on getting APT 1.9 ready to upload (ABI/API break), not done yet - first break, some more to come throughout the cycle, as we're working towards APT 2.0 and improve extensibility. 15:06 * apt SRUS to fix LP: #1820886 and LP: #1821640 15:06 Launchpad bug 1820886 in apt (Ubuntu Cosmic) "Potential inconsistency due to system halt/reboot being allowed when package installation in progress" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1820886 15:06 * merged wpa 2.8 from experimental; dropped android-headers build-dep 15:06 Launchpad bug 1821640 in apt (Ubuntu Cosmic) "Missing pattern for linux-image-unsigned keeps autoremovable kernels on the system" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1821640 15:06 * added more gnome 2 stuff to removal bug 15:07 (LP: #1825972) 15:07 Launchpad bug 1825972 in libgnome-keyring (Ubuntu) "Remove gnome 2 stack + linsmith from eoan" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1825972 15:07 (done) 15:07 cyphermox: 15:07 fixing bringing up interfaces without an assigned IP in netplan (bug LP: #1763608) 15:07 Launchpad bug 1763608 in netplan "Netplan ignores Interfaces without IP Addresses" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1763608 15:07 netplan.io 0.97 release + SRUs 15:07 more debugging of HTTP Boot for MAAS 15:07 fielding questions from Till on NM VPN DNS bug 1754671 15:07 bug 1754671 in network-manager (Ubuntu Bionic) "Full-tunnel VPN DNS leakage regression" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754671 15:07 updated sbuild-launchpad-chroot to work on eoan 15:07 partner work 15:07 tracking/verifications for in-flight SRUs 15:07 reviewed subiquity PRs 15:07 whitepaper / spec review responses 15:07 (done) 15:07 xnox: 15:07 * uploaded s390-tools cherrypicks from master for secureboot 15:07 * uploaded bash PATH SRU updates into all the releases 15:07 * uploaded upstream test fix for golang-github-prometheus-client-golang 15:07 * uploaded/working on perl stack regressions w.r.t. SSL_MODE_AUTO_RETRY 15:07 * uploaded transition to uncouple icu & boost-regex transitions 15:07 * subiquity code reviews 15:07 + srus waiting to be accepted into -proposed: 15:07 - xenial bash 15:07 - bionic bash, s390-tools, ruby2.5 15:07 - cosmic s390-tools, python-tornado4 (NEW) 15:07 Done 15:08 * Short week (bank holiday Monday) 15:08 * Working on consolidating raspi2 and raspi3 classic images (armhf working, arm64 being tricky) 15:08 * Attempted to shuffle cloud-init's startup order to avoid partition renaming (this doesn't work) 15:08 * Attempted to shuffle fstab earlier in systemd's boot sequence (this is a bad idea!) 15:08 * So, back to partition renaming - investigated upgrade procedure for /boot partition renaming 15:08 * Digging into ubuntu-image issue building armhf images on arm64 15:08 * Investigating wifi issues on core for cec 15:08 (done) 15:08 tdaitx, hello 15:08 disabled accepting crash reports from Ubuntu 14.04 in the Error Tracker 15:08 wrote test case for upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04 w/ ESM enabled 15:08 SRU verification of bug 1824862 15:08 bug 1824862 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Trusty) "Enable upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04 while keeping ESM enabled" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1824862 15:08 reported bug re u-r-u and upgrading from 18.04 to 19.04 (LP: #1827635) 15:08 uploaded u-r-u for Eoan, disco SRU for LP: #1827635 15:08 updated meta-release-development for Eoan 15:08 uploaded u-r-u again with Ermine info also update m-r-d 15:08 Launchpad bug 1827635 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Disco) "dist-upgrader tarball needs updating to support upgrades from bionic to disco" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1827635 15:09 tested / merged vorlon's MoM changes, updated MoM on the server 15:09 reported u-r-u bug LP: #1827951 re snap refreshing 15:09 reported u-r-u bug LP: #1828072 about updating and SRU'ing it 15:09 Launchpad bug 1827951 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Disco) "snaps not refreshed when upgrading from bionic or cosmic to disco" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1827951 15:09 Launchpad bug 1828072 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Disco) "KernelRemoval section is out of date" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1828072 15:09 uploaded SRUs of u-r-u to B, C, D releases 15:09 reported u-r-u bug LP: #1828100 regarding long term fix for it 15:09 Launchpad bug 1828100 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "KernelRemoval section of DistUpgrade.cfg shouldn't require manual updating" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1828100 15:09 tdaitx: 15:10 * sil2100 pokes tdaitx 15:10 vorlon: 15:11 * local tests with jck 11 using lxc 15:11 * fixed & tested tomcat8's LP: #1827090, missing upload 15:11 * fixed & tested netbeans' LP: #1825604 15:11 * working on netbeans' LP: #1828427, cleaning up conflicts from upstream patch 15:11 Launchpad bug 1827090 in tomcat8 (Ubuntu) ""-1" instead of "8005" in tomcat8-instance-create" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1827090 15:11 Launchpad bug 1825604 in netbeans (Ubuntu) "Netbeans 10 requires openjdk-11" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1825604 15:11 Launchpad bug 1828427 in netbeans (Ubuntu) "Netbeans fails to create a java project with NoSuchMethodError" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1828427 15:11 assuming he's done, since he's having irc problems and won't see if I ask him :) 15:11 * short week, was out yesterday 15:11 * merges 15:11 * improved the filtering of d-i components out of the merge-o-matic stats for Foundations 15:12 * NEW processing 15:12 * SRU reviews 15:12 * boot speed: analyzing remaining pain points across different substrates and kernels 15:12 * prep for Lyon next week 15:12 * out tomorrow, swap for Lyon travel 15:12 (done) 15:12 rbalint is out sick I think? 15:12 rbalint is out sick 15:12 sil2100: 15:12 - Last week: long weekend due to national holidays 15:12 - SRU reviews and releases 15:12 - Some kernel reviews, trying out new code-paths for ESM 15:12 - Rewriting the publish_info pieces for ubuntu-cdimage (now merged) 15:12 - Setting up an SRU team meeting 15:12 - DMB meeting (short one) 15:12 - Hacking bileto to not re-set PPA dependencies periodically 15:12 - Preparing no-change security-only rebuilds of the toolchain updates for cosmic and bionic 15:12 * Blocked until next week as one additional fix might be pulled in 15:12 - All-hands meeting 15:12 - Writing up an explaination of the steps needed to add new images for supported devices 15:12 - Reviewing final raspi-amazing spec 15:12 - Starting the release process of ubuntu-image 1.7 15:12 (done) 15:14 #topic Release incoming bugs 15:14 #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs 15:14 gaughen: which release are we on? 15:14 ee! 15:15 bdmurray, I'm following the instructios 15:15 #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs 15:15 #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs 15:15 * cyphermox updates the 'structions 15:15 cyphermox, thank you 15:15 do we need a checklist item in the NewReleaseCycleProcess to update the link? 15:15 you guys don't review your stable series incoming bugs? ;) 15:15 the high one, bug 1825021, is carded 15:15 bug 1825021 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt's dpkgpm.cc WriteApportReport function should gather more data" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1825021 15:16 seb128: Is there one you are particularly concerned about? 15:16 seb128: I think they should be carried over, probably. 15:16 bdmurray, no, just feels like a weak point to not review the series where most the users are 15:16 ie. script the change of tags 15:16 * vorlon checks where that card is and if it's close enough to the front to ever realistically be worked 15:16 cyphermox, well, things might be fixed in e but not b 15:16 I haven't had a chance to review them as I've been fixing other bugs 15:16 anyway, don't let me derail your meeting 15:16 seb128: sure, and then they get in a different list 15:16 probably not a discussion for here/now 15:17 cyphermox, we do review all the rls-nn-incoming weekly for desktop (bb cc dd ee atm) 15:17 seb128: if something is broken (incoming) in the previous devel release, it probably is still unfixed in the new devel release 15:17 yeah, it's 1825021 is close enough to the top to consider it committed 15:17 What to do on that though? 15:18 ie. actively culling thigns that are to be fixed, and whatever people really don't care about and won't fix, would be nice. 15:18 rather than forever keeping bugs unfixed in a "incoming" or "tracking" list 15:18 PATH is now replaced by APT in disco, so tracking it there probably makes no sense 15:18 cool 15:19 juliank: I thought when we last talked about it we said it needed testing. 15:19 yeah, well, before I realized it was disco+, and thought it was in cosmic too 15:20 So regardless the original bug is about getting more info and maybe there should be a second one about u-r-u setting the path 15:20 bdmurray: do we need to triage any of the ones on rls-ee-incoming that are importance: undecided? 15:21 (where valid triage might be "remove tag because someone nominated it but couldn't be bothered to set importance"?) 15:22 vorlon: before we get there could we talk about bug 1821415 15:22 bug 1821415 in policykit-1 (Ubuntu) "pkexec fails in a non-graphical environment" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1821415 15:25 bdmurray: what's the impact of this bug if you run apport as root? 15:26 I would expect most users who run apport on servers to just invoke it as root 15:26 vorlon: there should be no impact 15:26 so maybe it is low impact overall? 15:26 what about xorg and no X? 15:26 as in desktop user is trying to report a problem with their X server not starting? 15:26 yeah 15:26 couldn't they also run as root? 15:27 but maybe they wouldn't know to 15:27 that is true 15:27 do we generate a useful error message in the UI when the client fails to collect due to lack of privs? 15:27 polkit-agent-helper-1: error response to PolicyKit daemon: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: No session for cookie 15:27 ==== AUTHENTICATION FAILED === 15:27 Error executing command as another user: Not authorized 15:27 i wouldn't call that useful 15:28 bdmurray: but it at least doesn't silently submit an incomplete report 15:28 Its also worth considering that I'm the one who reported the bug so maybe no one else is bothered by it 15:29 so I think it warrants opening a task on apport, but is still probably not a high priority to fix 15:29 okay, thanks for helping prioritize it 15:30 so the unprioritized ones 15:30 LP: #1727472 15:30 Launchpad bug 1727472 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "[RFE] Automatically update the Ubuntu version string in ubuntu-release-upgrader" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1727472 15:31 so boring 15:31 certainly seems a worthwhile fix 15:32 should be trivial too 15:32 so target it? and what importance? 15:32 yeah I wouldn't make it 'high', but I think we should take it 15:33 importance: medium? 15:33 works for me 15:33 and carded 15:33 LP: #1796193 15:33 Launchpad bug 1796193 in apt (Ubuntu) "unattended do-release-upgrade asks about /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1796193 15:34 I don't think that's an apt bug, maybe it's a dpkg one? 15:35 is it reproducible? do we know what removed it? 15:35 well, I guess the user removed the file 15:35 I'm checking files right now 15:36 juliank: it's plarson doing automated upgrade testing 15:36 so it is unlikely to be the result of user action 15:36 The files certainly are different in xenial and bionic 15:36 I guess there are two questions here 15:36 1) what removed this conffile 15:37 2) what should the handling of conffiles be when using the noninteractive frontend 15:37 crash burn and die 15:37 because we do in general consider there to be no sane default for conffile prompts 15:37 unattended-upgrades has some code to handle some conffile stuff, maybe it did something here? idk 15:37 so I tend to agree with xnox, that the current behavior for 2) is not a bug in the package manager 15:37 I gather that something used to happen with conffiles when using the noninteractive frontend 15:37 juliank: unattended-upgrades handling is to hold back those packages 15:37 which is not sensible for a release upgrade 15:38 Now it also detects unmodified moved conffiles or stuff 15:39 I'm trying to run an upgrade in xenial, but I don't get any 15:39 bdmurray: so I think we should initially treat this as a matter of figuring out why there are modified conffiles and addressing that 15:39 So what is the next step with this bug? 15:39 ask the submitter for a reproducer 15:39 Try to reproduce it 15:39 Okay, I remember seeing one with mlocate recently 15:40 bdmurray: will you follow up with the submitter then? 15:40 vorlon: yeah and I'll ping david ames again 15:40 LP: #1818564 15:40 Launchpad bug 1818564 in apport (Ubuntu) "directory permission sanity checks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1818564 15:41 is interesting 15:42 I wouldn't commit to it 15:42 but I'll card it :) 15:42 so leave it incoming? 15:42 bdmurray: I'll take it out of incoming but card it 15:43 LP: #1825000 15:43 Launchpad bug 1825000 in apt (Ubuntu) "Add ability for mirrors to distinguish interactive and non-interactive apt runs" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1825000 15:44 ok no fair juliank triaging these during the meeting and invalidating the report ;) 15:45 so this is wishlist, I guess we can move on 15:45 heh, yeah 15:45 also the next one 15:45 LP: #1828100 15:45 Launchpad bug 1828100 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "KernelRemoval section of DistUpgrade.cfg shouldn't require manual updating" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1828100 15:45 bdmurray has been talking about this one 15:45 that's something rbalint probably wants to have a look at 15:45 that looks like a good one for us to take 15:46 so that we can finally put the nail in the coffin of stale kernels on /boot 15:46 so I'll take it in for eoan 15:47 +1 on that 15:47 Yeah that bug is about the long term fix 15:48 so I think that's the bottom of the queue 15:49 #topic Team proposed-migration report 15:49 #link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs 15:49 lintian 15:49 upstream failure 15:49 lintian 15:49 vorlon, anything we should do? 15:49 Debian broke their own autopkgtests, we can wait for them to fix it 15:49 k 15:49 done 15:49 NEXT 15:49 the other one, libnet-ssleay-perl, is xnox breaking apache 15:49 yes 15:49 ;) 15:50 #topic AOB 15:50 and i don't know why, cause it was all green 15:50 anything? 15:50 beuller? 15:50 bueller? 15:50 yes 15:50 ooooh 15:50 seb128 has a point; 15:50 should we start to review bb, cc, dd as well as $newcycle 15:50 ? 15:50 cc is dead to me =) 15:51 should we at least do one review of cc/dd at the transition 15:51 but monitor bb 15:52 we / somebody could subscribe to the -incoming bug tag 15:52 perhaps next week we should review what's in the queue for those, so we can assess how much value there is in doing so 15:52 I already have bb in the script since there *are* point-releases 15:52 that'S tricky 15:52 maybe we should do it every first meeting in the month? 15:53 or every second week? 15:57 looks like we need to work through the backlog out of band 15:58 and then try to add reviewing these into the meeting agenda 15:58 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)