19:23 <cyphermox> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
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19:23 <cyphermox> #topic ~lubuntu-dev delegated team
19:23 <cyphermox> tsimonq2: you want to summarize for the logs?
19:24 <cyphermox> then I'll start the vote
19:24 <cyphermox> slashd: around?
19:24 <tsimonq2> Sure.
19:24 <cyphermox> rbasak isn't
19:24 <slashd> cyphermox, yep
19:24 <jbicha> oh, we're voting after all?
19:24 <cyphermox> well since you all seem to need it :P
19:25 <jbicha> I wasn't going to call us for us to have a vote on whether to have a vote 😉
19:25 <tsimonq2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2019-February/001319.html - tl;dr Lubuntu is asking for ~lubuntu-dev to be granted upload permissions to the `lubuntu` packageset.
19:25 <tsimonq2> :D
19:25 <cyphermox> tsimonq2: sounds like a great summary :)
19:25 <cyphermox> #vote ~lubuntu-dev to be granted delegated control over lubuntu packageset (new delegated team)
19:25 <meetingology> Please vote on: ~lubuntu-dev to be granted delegated control over lubuntu packageset (new delegated team)
19:25 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
19:26 <tsimonq2> +1
19:26 <meetingology> +1 received from tsimonq2
19:26 <cyphermox> +1
19:26 <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
19:26 <jbicha> +1
19:26 <meetingology> +1 received from jbicha
19:26 <slashd> +1
19:26 <meetingology> +1 received from slashd
19:27 <cyphermox> no sil2100 either
19:27 <cyphermox> and no micahg.
19:27 <cyphermox> #endvote
19:27 <meetingology> Voting ended on: ~lubuntu-dev to be granted delegated control over lubuntu packageset (new delegated team)
19:27 <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
19:27 <meetingology> Motion carried
19:28 <cyphermox> that was quorate anyway
19:28 <cyphermox> now; one issue is that I'm not sure if we're supposed to decide if we can delegate directly, or if it needs to be approved or something
19:29 <cyphermox> but I suppose, tsimonq2, if you're going to be the person bringing it up to the TB, it can be part of the discussion if there's any needed
19:29 <cyphermox> I'll definitely be at the next TB meeting anyway
19:29 <tsimonq2> The original proposal I outlined was to create a new team, ~lubuntu-dev-owner, which has the DMB and ~lubuntu-council, and allow that team to approve/deny members.
19:30 <cyphermox> yup
19:30 <tsimonq2> cyphermox: Is that something we decide or the TB does?
19:30 <cyphermox> like kubuntu, basically
19:30 <tsimonq2> Right.
19:30 <cyphermox> well, TB ultimately is responsible for granting access rights to developers, they delegate that to us
19:31 <cyphermox> but it sounds exactly like what Kubuntu does, and seems like it's perfectly fine for lubuntu to do that as well
19:31 <cyphermox> so you probably just need to finish sorting out the ownership of the teams and you'll be all set
19:31 <tsimonq2> Cool.
19:32 <tsimonq2> Do we have a wiki page somewhere for formally requesting that the TB edit ACLs?
19:32 <tsimonq2> (Or just generally some documentation I can follow.)
19:33 <tsimonq2> "The name 'lubuntu-dev-owner' has been blocked by the Launchpad administrators. Contact Launchpad Support if you want to use this name." - heh, ok, so it'll have to be with one big ticket.
19:33 <tsimonq2> (To answer my own question: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase#Actions_after_a_successful_applications )
19:33 <cyphermox> oh, looky
19:34 <cyphermox> that actually also covers delegation
19:34 <cyphermox> we should be looking at a policy for how the applications will be managed
19:36 <tsimonq2> [ACTION] tsimonq2 to file RT transferring ownership of ~lubuntu-dev, deactivate ~lubuntu-council, ask TB to do ACL change
19:36 * meetingology tsimonq2 to file RT transferring ownership of ~lubuntu-dev, deactivate ~lubuntu-council, ask TB to do ACL change
19:37 <cyphermox> tsimonq2: we should really go over such a "policy" on the applications for lubuntu, but we can do that at a later meeting I guess?
19:37 <cyphermox> that way you could write down something in the wiki like the one for the DesktopTeam; what you expect to see for an applicant, etc.
19:38 <tsimonq2> https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu-dev/
19:38 <tsimonq2> I wrote that when I sent the email to devel-permissions.
19:39 <tsimonq2> It's a more complete page which I'd like to generalize for Ubuntu Developers that shows everything I would expect a Lubuntu Developer to know, plus the application process.
19:40 <cyphermox> nice
19:40 <tsimonq2> So where I'm still curious is whether that's a process that the TB or the DMB approves.
19:42 <cyphermox> the knowledgebase page says it's us
19:42 <tsimonq2> Alright, so the vote earlier was to grant the team the packageset permissions, I guess we need a separate vote for the process?
19:42 <cyphermox> slashd: jbicha: any issues with the aforementioned document?
19:43 <cyphermox> or do you want to vote on it?
19:43 <jbicha> I don't think we need a second vote
19:44 <tsimonq2> For the record: ~lubuntu-dev changed to self-renewal, 720 day expiry period, ~ubuntu-core-dev was already a member, added ~lubuntu-dev to ~ubuntu-dev.
19:45 <cyphermox> ack
19:45 <tsimonq2> Oh, and ~lubuntu-council deactivated prior to doing all of that.
19:47 <tsimonq2> Something else I noticed when adding ~lubuntu-dev to ~ubuntu-dev; ~ubuntu-sru-developers is the only team with an expiry date. Should that be changed to "expire never"?
19:47 <cyphermox> tsimonq2: you mean in ~ubuntu-dev?
19:47 <tsimonq2> Yes.
19:47 <cyphermox> possibly
19:48 <cyphermox> #topic AOB?
19:48 <cyphermox> oh
19:48 <cyphermox> ok, I already did end the voting
19:48 <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+member/ubuntu-sru-developers vs https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+member/kubuntu-dev
19:48 <cyphermox> anything else?
19:48 <cyphermox> tsimonq2: I agree.
19:49 <tsimonq2> I'll make that change then.
19:49 <tsimonq2> Nothing else from me.
19:49 <cyphermox> slashd: jbicha
19:49 <slashd> cyphermox, nothing else on my side
19:50 <jbicha> nothing from me :)
19:50 <cyphermox> ok
19:50 <cyphermox> #endmeeting