== Meeting information == * #ubuntu-meeting Meeting, 05 Oct at 15:01 — 15:38 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-10-05-15.01.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Lightning round === The discussion about "Lightning round" started at 15:01. === Bugs === The discussion about "Bugs" started at 15:15. * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs === AOB === The discussion about "AOB" started at 15:37. == Vote results == == Done items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * slangasek (48) * bdmurray (30) * cyphermox (24) * rbalint (12) * sil2100 (11) * ubottu (10) * xnox (9) * Tribaal (8) * philroche (6) * Odd_Bloke (6) * fginther (5) * rcj (4) * tdaitx (4) * meetingology (3) == Full Log == 15:01 #startmeeting 15:01 Meeting started Thu Oct 5 15:01:26 2017 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 15:01 15:01 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 15:01 [TOPIC] Lightning round 15:01 $ echo $(shuf -e slangasek bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity cyphermox mwhudson rcj philroche Odd_Bloke tribaal fginther) 15:01 fginther bdmurray rcj xnox tribaal rbalint tdaitx philroche doko infinity cyphermox Odd_Bloke slangasek mwhudson sil2100 15:01 o/ 15:01 o/ 15:02 Wow, dead-last 15:02 goodness, one moment 15:03 * Continued library development to facilitate automated publication 15:03 * provided an automation script to IS to improve deployment of cloud-image jenkaas slaves 15:04 * Enabled launchpad <-> trello automation 15:04 (done) 15:04 Research into LP: #1515513 re: dkms leftovers in /boot 15:04 Uploaded X and Z SRUs for LP: #1515513 15:04 Tested LP: #1720331 re whoopsie restarting constantly 15:04 Investigation into gdebi python3.6 issue LP: #1708947 15:04 Launchpad bug 1515513 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "/boot/initrd.img-*.old-dkms files left behind" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515513 15:04 Launchpad bug 1720331 in whoopsie (Ubuntu) "Whoopsie continually relaunching" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1720331 15:04 Launchpad bug 1708947 in gdebi (Ubuntu) "gdebi-kde crashed with ModuleNotFoundError in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/PyKDE4/__init__.py: No module named 'DLFCN'" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1708947 15:04 HIGHLIGHT(?): Wrote blog post re free-ing space in /boot - http://www.murraytwins.com/blog/?p=156 15:04 reported LP: #1721364 re apt autoremove and Never-MarkAuto-Sections 15:04 Launchpad bug 1721364 in apt (Ubuntu) "Never-MarkAuto-Sections not working" [High,Opinion] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1721364 15:04 tested LP: #1715490 again, looked for similar bugs 15:05 Launchpad bug 1715490 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "pretty version of plymouth won't accept passphrase" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1715490 15:05 SCHWEET 15:05 ✔ done 15:05 SCHWEET? 15:05 Swiss-German for "Sweet" 15:06 JIT meeting :) 15:06 skip rcj for the moment 15:06 * sprinted 15:06 heh 15:06 * got sick after sprint 15:06 * failed to read lists of people 15:06 * automated cloud-image build work 15:06 done 15:07 artful ntp vs systemd: systemd is in -proposed, ntp is the unapproved queue - please review 15:07 zesty: systemd failed verification, fixup and more fixes are in the unapproved queue - please review 15:07 xenial: systemd passed verification, there are adt regressions. Filed bugs for linux-* and open-iscsi, these appear to be broken tests. nplan seems to fail for a testcase in NetworkManager, and nplan/autostart test case appears to have regressed under lxc on xenial. However, creating autopkgtest lxc container does not work for me on artful 15:07 xnox: 15:07 openssl-ibmca libica et.al. landed thus we have full accelerated z14 encryption landed 15:07 mdadm/systemd shutdown - still in progress 15:07 fixed s390-dasd for final beta (failing to format DASD drives) 15:07 zfcpdump-kernel - failing to upgrade for GA, to be escalated to IBM 15:07 cloud-init leases merge in progress (started, and handed over to cloud-init team) 15:07 ... 15:07 Tribaal: 15:07 * Some of the memory issues investigated previously were due to transparent huge pages being set to "enabled". That led to memory fragmentation. 15:07 * Vaguard duties for the build system this week. 15:07 * Helping partners kick the tires on the final 17.10 beta to make sure everything is ok for the final release. 15:07 * OoO tomorrow and beginning of next week 15:07 done. 15:07 * GCE new upstream LP: #1718922 15:07 Launchpad bug 1718922 in gce-compute-image-packages (Ubuntu Zesty) "Update google compute-image-packages to 20170921 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1718922 15:07 * UBuntu Rally 15:07 * image minimization 15:07 * updating runc to 1.0.0~rc4 and creating docker-runc with the version needed by docker.io in Debian 15:07 * unattended-upgrades 0.98 for Debian 15:07 (done) 15:08 * Trying to figure out OpenJDK 8 build failure in i386 (error: "unsupported size for integer register") 15:08 * +1 maint 15:08 * Checked and (re)setup jenkaas slaves for jck after the lgw01 scalingstack redeploy (zeroed slaves) 15:08 (done) 15:08 - Cloud image build system vanguard 15:08 - Ubuntu rally (via hangouts) 15:08 - Cloud image build system development 15:09 - Cloud partner calls 15:09 (done) 15:09 doko: 15:10 no infinity either 15:11 cyphermox: 15:11 yay 15:11 shim: 15:11 - preparing shim for signing 15:11 - Microsoft and shim-review submissions 15:11 artful: 15:11 - unbroke keyboard selection/translations in ubiquity due to console-setup 15:11 - reword partman-efi non_efi_system template again 15:11 - testing subiquity image 15:11 SRUs: 15:11 - [xenial] preparing ubiquity SRU for WPA2 Enterprise support (LP: #1107935) 15:11 - [xenial] investigating search domains issue in klibc. 15:11 Launchpad bug 1107935 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Xenial) "Support for WPA Enterprise wireless networks" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1107935 15:11 - [zesty] isc-dhcp DNS search domains handling 15:11 other: 15:11 - catching up on cloud image minimization work 15:11 - netplan 0.29 backport to 16.04 is waiting in the unapproved queue 15:11 (done) 15:11 * Ubuntu Rally last week 15:11 * Finalising new GCE publication flow in preparation for bb opening 15:11 * Preparing for product sprint next week 15:12 (done) 15:12 slangasek: 15:12 * at the Ubuntu Rally last week in New York, lots of great discussions and development work 15:12 * first in-person meetings for a while with quorum of the archive, SRU, and release teams 15:12 * worked with the foundations team to fix papercuts around netplan, systemd-network migration 15:12 * worked with the kernel team to design solution for extra initramfs generation on package removal 15:13 * HIGHLIGHT (if sil2100 doesn't do it) Artful Final Beta released last week 15:13 * working on livecd-rootfs changes for artful and xenial: 15:13 * landing support for preinstallation of snaps in images 15:13 * adding support for minimizing cloud images 15:13 * next week, at the Product Roadmap Sprint, again in NYC 15:13 (done) 15:13 sil2100: 15:13 - Sprinting, then swap day, then partially away due to sickness (not really productive yet) 15:13 - Setting up e-mail for release-bits 15:13 - SRU reviews, cleanup and releases 15:13 - ubuntu-image work on coverage, refactoring the builder classes 15:13 - Reading up on preparations for final release 15:13 - Last week: Final Beta :O 15:13 Ah, indeed, that was a good highlight! 15:13 (done) 15:14 any questions on status? 15:14 Nope 15:15 [TOPIC] Bugs 15:15 probably late in the cycle to be committing to anything non-critical for the 17.10 release :) 15:15 [LINK] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs 15:15 there are a couple of 'high' bugs here 15:15 I mentioned bug 1721364 but would like to discuss it 15:15 bug 1721364 in apt (Ubuntu) "Never-MarkAuto-Sections not working" [High,Opinion] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1721364 15:16 bdmurray: fwiw I have it in my inbox to review the commit jak pointed to 15:16 bdmurray: but I guess we should discuss what the path forward is if that doesn't get reverted? 15:17 slangasek: Yeah, autoremove could have surprising results. 15:17 frustrating 15:17 bdmurray: so your position is that it's too high-risk? 15:18 Well, I'm guessing people remove metapackages like ubuntu-desktop but could be wrong. 15:18 I don't know; they might because they wanted to remove one of the packages it pulled in 15:19 I mean if they've used autoremove in recent history then they would have hit an issue. 15:19 s/hit an issue/ran into this/ 15:20 bdmurray: yeah. I think we should revisit with upstream the decision to change how markauto is handled, but that won't change the fact that systems already installed will have their package database in a state that makes autoremove dangerous 15:21 bdmurray: which I guess leaves only the remove-newly-autoremovable path, which rbalint has mentioned? 15:22 slangasek: Yeah, I think so 15:22 ok 15:22 annoying, that's going to take more work to implement 15:23 but +1 for this on the path forward 15:23 Well the newly-autoremovable only works if you are install the kernel update with u-u 15:23 couldn't we make it work with update-manager? 15:24 by implementing the same logic as in u-u 15:24 Oh, I see 15:24 this isn't something we need to magically solve for users running apt from the commandline 15:24 they will run apt autoremove or not 15:25 bdmurray: agreed? 15:25 slangasek: Yes 15:25 ok 15:25 anything else on bugs? 15:25 we have two 'high' in incoming 15:25 bug 1720331 - I'm not sure if its whoopsie or the control panel 15:25 bug 1720331 in whoopsie (Ubuntu) "Whoopsie continually relaunching" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1720331 15:26 slangasek, bdmurray: the remove-newly-autoremovable path is already released in u-u which is why i'm hesitant to revert it, but special handling for kernel packages seem to be a safer bet 15:27 rbalint: We weren't talking about reverting it but using the same code in update-manager 15:29 cyphermox: Is not being able to use 'videoinfo' in grub relevant with bug 1715490? 15:29 bug 1715490 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "pretty version of plymouth won't accept passphrase" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1715490 15:29 bdmurray: AIUI videoinfo is specific to VESA, and if you're using the qemu vga driver you don't even have VESA 15:29 bdmurray: I don't think so 15:30 so you don't have videoinfo because it's literally not configurable 15:30 bdmurray: yes, i mentioned that because https://launchpad.net/linux-purge is a valid safer alternative imo 15:30 Okay, well I couldn't find any more bugs like 1715490 so lets punt it then 15:30 bdmurray: and i think it is worth a separate discussion 15:30 sounds like it's "just" broken video in VM, "as usual" 15:31 heh 15:31 ok; anything else on bugs? 15:31 oh, also 15:32 bdmurray: you on artful and running in wayland? 15:32 cyphermox: the host or the guest? 15:32 because that breaks arrow keys, so it wouldn't be overly surprising if it broke video too somehow 15:32 bdmurray: but adding remove-newly-autoremovable option to update-manager is also valuable for the sake of consistency IMO, it may or may not be the default 15:32 on the host 15:34 rbalint: this is only interesting to do if we make it the default 15:34 cyphermox: not wayland 15:34 aok 15:34 I did get the arrow key issue though 15:34 ok 15:35 slangasek: ok 15:37 [TOPIC] AOB 15:37 anything else? 15:38 nope 15:38 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)