== Meeting information == * #ubuntu-meeting: DMB, 08 May at 15:11 — 15:49 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-05-08-15.11.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Review of previous action items === The discussion about "Review of previous action items" started at 15:11. === Applications === The discussion about "Applications" started at 15:12. * There are no applications on today's agenda. === Outstanding mailing list requests to assign === The discussion about "Outstanding mailing list requests to assign" started at 15:12. * ''ACTION:'' bdmurray to handle GunnarHj's GNOME Help packages PPU request === Any other business === The discussion about "Any other business" started at 15:16. * ''LINK:'' https://git.launchpad.net/network-manager/log/ * ''LINK:'' https://git.launchpad.net/~network-manager/network-manager/+git/ubuntu-applet/log/ * ''LINK:'' https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/09/09/%23ubuntu-meeting.html is relevant. * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#PerPackage == Vote results == == Action items, by person == * bdmurray * bdmurray to handle GunnarHj's GNOME Help packages PPU request == Done items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * rbasak (47) * bdmurray (20) * jbicha (8) * meetingology (4) * Laney (2) * sil2100 (2) * ubottu (1) == Full Log == 15:11 #startmeeting DMB 15:11 Meeting started Mon May 8 15:11:31 2017 UTC. The chair is rbasak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 15:11 15:11 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 15:11 Might as well be me rather than me waiting around. 15:11 #topic Review of previous action items 15:11 rbasak to sort Aron's request (carried-over) 15:12 I was looking at this earlier, and would like a second opinion. But I'll move on for now. 15:12 #topic Applications 15:12 #info There are no applications on today's agenda. 15:12 #topic Outstanding mailing list requests to assign 15:13 One from Gunnar about GNOME Help packages. Is someone availalble to take that please? 15:14 I see no other outstanding requests. 15:14 Any volunteers? 15:14 rbasak: that's just adding packages? 15:15 If so give it to me. 15:15 I think so. 15:15 Well either way, I'll do it. 15:15 It might the description of personal-gunnarhj changing too. 15:15 Thanks! 15:15 #action bdmurray to handle GunnarHj's GNOME Help packages PPU request 15:15 * meetingology bdmurray to handle GunnarHj's GNOME Help packages PPU request 15:15 happyaron also requested his packageset be updated 15:16 Yeah, see above - I'll discuss that next. 15:16 #topic Any other business 15:17 I'm not sure on what basis to handle happyaron's request. Do I just verify that he's listed in the Debian Uploaders field? 15:17 As network-manager seems like quite a step up from some packages in universe from an Ubuntu perspective. 15:18 The others seem straightforward to me, with dkms perhaps in the middle. 15:18 For reference: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2017-April/001100.html 15:18 Do we know what his original application was like? 15:19 I think it might be before my time. I'll see if I can find it. 15:21 I can only find https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AronXu/DeveloperApplication, which was presumably unsuccessful. Or was that converted to PPU maybe? 15:22 hi, I hope I'm not interrupting but happyaron has been one of the main maintainers of NM in Ubuntu: 15:22 https://git.launchpad.net/network-manager/log/ 15:22 https://git.launchpad.net/~network-manager/network-manager/+git/ubuntu-applet/log/ 15:22 I think because network-manager is seeded it requires some further discussion. 15:24 https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/09/09/%23ubuntu-meeting.html is relevant. 15:25 That's Aron's core dev application (unsuccessful) and it looks like the ubuntukylin packageset was created instead. 15:25 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#PerPackage 15:26 That makes reference to "need to show ... previous work on the package" and "previous concern for the package ... in Ubuntu" - so I think an application needs to be more than just add these. 15:27 I suppose that applies to all of them? 15:27 Shall I reply and ask him to address that bullet point for the packages he's requesting? 15:28 The DD process applies to happyaron. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/ApplicationProcess 15:28 Well maybe not for DDs, but I'm concerned about this in particular because of bug 1676547. 15:28 bug 1676547 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "No network connectivity after upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1676547 15:30 OK, so what should I do next? 15:33 I think the guidelines for DDs are clear and we should just add it, but I personally have reservations. So then the question is do we, the DMB, get to exercise judgement in this (DD) case. 15:34 The DMB set the DD guidelines, so the DMB absolutely can exercise judgement so we so choose. 15:34 bdmurray: is 1676547 happyaron's fault? I'm not sure how relevant that bug is here? 15:35 And if we do choose, then perhaps that's an indication that the DD guideline needs amending. 15:35 (and I apologize if I'm speaking out of turn here) 15:35 jbicha: cyphermox could explain better but as I understand it the SRU of network-manager to xenial add new capabilities which were not accounted for in Yakkeyt. 15:36 ah ok 15:36 So if you had the X SRU installed and upgraded to yakkety you'd have no network. If you didn't have the n-m SRU you'd be fine. 15:36 Perhaps the DD guidelines need amending to make it clear that the same original criteria must still apply to the packages being requested? 15:36 I think I helped sponsor those SRUs :( 15:37 The page I linked says you can seek assurances if you think the new packages have more 'impact'. 15:38 Well not many people upgrade from X to Y this late, but still even if it didn't impact many people its not a great experience. 15:39 rbasak: So I think network-manager is worth some further discussion. 15:40 OK 15:40 What about the others? 15:40 dkms? 15:41 ocserv and proxychains are I think probably uncontroversial? 15:41 rbasak: thinking about dkms 15:42 that's also seeded so maybe it should be discussed too? 15:42 #agreed Aron Xu's DD-based PPU request for network-manager needs further discussion 15:42 OK 15:43 I see only one direct ubuntu upload of dkms made by him 15:43 #agreed Aron Xu's DD-based PPU request for dkms is similarly seeded so should probably be part of the same discussion 15:43 ocserv and proxychains are I think probably uncontroversial? 15:44 agreed 15:44 +1 15:45 #agreed +1 for Aron Xu's DD-based PPU requests for ocserv and proxychains 15:45 rbasak: although proxychains was already in his list... 15:45 Thanks all. I'll reply to the list. 15:45 Hmm. OK! 15:45 rbasak: also you said ocserv and he said ocsev 15:46 I think he typoed it. What he said didn't seem to exist, and so I looked up his Debian maintainerships. 15:46 Hmm, okay. 15:47 I guess that's it for Aron for this meeting today then? 15:47 Any other AOB? 15:47 not from me 15:49 That'll be it then. Thanks all! 15:49 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)