15:01 #startmeeting 15:01 Meeting started Thu Mar 23 15:01:31 2017 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 15:01 15:01 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 15:01 [TOPIC] Lightning round 15:02 $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox tdaitx xnox chiluk mwhudson rbalint) 15:02 tdaitx infinity doko barry robru sil2100 chiluk rbalint slangasek cyphermox bdmurray caribou xnox mwhudson 15:02 tdaitx: tag 15:02 = JCK 15:02 * firewall exception to run interactive tests not working 15:02 * executing full tests 15:02 = Other 15:02 * Checking a few openjdk-7/openjdk-8 errors on error tracker 15:02 - unable to find a reproducer for GMenuModelItemsChangedInvalidIndex; error is still being reported on Trusty though, might be related to LP: #1499747 but need a reproducer to check if glib update fixes that 15:02 Launchpad bug 1499747 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "gedit crashed with SIGABRT in g_assertion_message()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1499747 15:02 - An awt bug happening since 8u121-b13-0ubuntu1.16.04.2 which seems like a regression; working on a reproducer 15:02 (done) 15:03 - Wasted some time trying unsuccessfully to smooth over the kernel/snappy issues. 15:03 - Helped sort out a glibc security regression. 15:03 - glibc uploads to zesty. 15:03 - SRU/AA faff. 15:03 - Beta, beta, beta. 15:03 (done) 15:04 doko is off 15:04 barry is off 15:04 robru: 15:04 britney 15:04 * reviewed a couple branches by laney 15:04 * made Email Policy resend mails periodically, with a decreasing frequency 15:04 archive maintenance 15:04 * troubleshoot a number of packages stuck in proposed (mentored by cyphermox) 15:04 * poked at curl, which is blocked by MIR of two new dependencies 15:04 (done) 15:05 robru: did you file the MIR bugs or update them? I could review those 15:05 robru: was there any discussion about stable releases? 15:05 bdmurray: stable releases still not being emailed as far as I know. do you want that? 15:06 cyphermox: yeah I think mterry is on top of those two MIRs, was just blocked trying to find a team bug subscriber, which is settled now 15:06 no sil2100? 15:06 alrighty 15:06 chiluk: 15:06 * Been mostly working on quite a few ceph and ceph performance issues lately, so not much foundation-y stuff. 15:06 * 2 half days PTO 15:06 - done - 15:06 cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpsl/+bug/1668568 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libidn2-0/+bug/1668566 both "fix committed" not sure what else needs to happen to finish those off 15:06 Launchpad bug 1668568 in libpsl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libpsl" [Undecided,Fix committed] 15:06 Launchpad bug 1668566 in libidn2-0 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libidn2-0" [Undecided,Fix committed] 15:07 aye aye 15:07 fix committed means it's approved, just needs magic AA powers to complete 15:08 rbalint: welcome :) 15:08 rbalint: your turn, if you have anything 15:08 * entered the foundation team just earlier this week (Hello, Everyone! :-)) 15:08 * triaged nama's ftbfs looks like to be caused by perl bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=839218 15:08 * pushed forward boost1.62 transition providing patches for the last 3 packages to transition http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/boost1.62.html 15:08 Debian bug 839218 in perl "Perl 5.24 makes nama FTBFS due to segfault" [Serious,Open] 15:08 seems I should copy one by one :-) 15:08 robru, bdmurray: I guess the mail policy for stable releases needs to be different, since a one-day delay in migrating isn't "stuck" 15:09 rbalint, hi there! welcome =) 15:09 I think Laney might have said everything in -proposed for stable would appear stuck. 15:09 rbalint: oh oops, I removed nama from zesty-proposed because I had assumed that was a bug in nama rather than perl; should I un-delete it? 15:10 hi 15:10 slangasek: i think it can be readed 15:10 slangasek: needs fixing in Debian first, no need to undelete it, I'd say 15:10 oh? 15:10 cyphermox: according to rbalint the bug is perl rather than nama 15:10 well, yeah, but in the meantime it's still broken 15:10 it can be fixed in perl or nama by a workaround 15:10 oh, I didn't remember that 15:11 cyphermox: it just came up today 15:11 rbalint: do you have the workaround ready? we could land that and unblock it once re-added? 15:11 cyphermox: yes, but once perl is fixed we still won't have a nama package in the archive unless the Debian maintainer happens to upload a new one 15:11 * systemd SRU (LP: #1673860, LP: #1647031, LP: #1651518). 15:11 * ordered more memory for laptop, so I can run a web browser 15:11 * discussions around signed custom kernels for ubuntu-core 15:11 * debugging of k8s testsuite failures in GCE 15:11 * worked on shim-signed, which we've just gotten our first signed binary through the new community process (https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/47438.html) 15:11 Launchpad bug 1673860 in systemd (Ubuntu Yakkety) "systemd-resolved unit should run Before=network-online.target" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1673860 15:11 * proposed-migration un-sticking work 15:11 Launchpad bug 1647031 in systemd (Ubuntu Yakkety) "systemd-resolved’s 127.0.0.53 server does not follow CNAME records" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1647031 15:11 Launchpad bug 1651518 in systemd (Ubuntu Yakkety) "systemd/logind parsing problem: HTX exercisers stopped on error: rc 11, errno 11 from main(): pthread_create" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1651518 15:11 * have requested more email reminders about stuck packages 15:11 * miscellaneous ppc64el triage and uploads 15:11 (done) 15:11 - multipath-tools fix for missing dm-queue-length + SRUs 15:11 - multipath-tools path-selector change 15:11 - merge slideshow update for mascot 15:11 - more slideshow merges to complete for 17.04 updates 15:11 - shim testing and grub2 changes for shim SRUs. 15:12 - subiquity livefs fixes 15:12 - netplan cloned mac support / convincing systemd-networkd to properly apply .li 15:12 nk file changes 15:12 - "mentoring" rbalint on +1 maintenance 15:12 (done) 15:12 cyphermox: why the quotes? 15:12 wtf, vi 15:12 had apport updated in staging / production Error Tracker 15:12 looked for and found other crashes which make gdb sad 15:12 reported snappy bug (LP: #1674847) regarding manifest files 15:12 fixed snap of apport so that hooks get run, logging works 15:12 Launchpad bug 1674847 in Snappy "produce package lists for Ubuntu Core versions on the web" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674847 15:12 bdmurray: because the force is strong with rbalint. 15:13 confirmed apport snap catches cores of other snaps 15:13 created an ubuntu-core general hook for apport snap 15:13 modified ubuntu-core hook to capture dpkg.list file, "snap --version" 15:13 modified ubuntu-core hook to not complain about free space 15:13 cyphermox: :-) 15:13 uploaded SRUs of update-notifier / update-manager for LP: #1654008 15:13 improved test case for LP: #1623856, uploaded aptdaemon Y SRU 15:13 troubleshoot of my upgrade to Yakkety 15:13 Launchpad bug 1654008 in update-notifier (Ubuntu Xenial) "/usr/bin/update-manager:OverflowError:/usr/bin/update-manager@117" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1654008 15:13 Launchpad bug 1623856 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "Scrolled Windows in update-manager are too small to read" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1623856 15:13 ✔ done 15:13 (it's weird to say that when I've never watched any star wars) 15:13 Bugfix: 15:13 LP #1654600 : unattended-upgrades breaks shutdown when /var is FS 15:13 - Created DEP8 tests for new systemd fix 15:13 - Needs review before upload 15:13 Launchpad bug 1654600 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu) "unattended-upgrade-shutdown hangs when /var is a separate filesystem" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1654600 15:14 LP: #1342580 : tftp does not start 15:14 - Applied SRU version break suggestion & re-uploaded 15:14 Launchpad bug 1342580 in tftp-hpa (Ubuntu Yakkety) "tftpd-hpa doesn't start on boot" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1342580 15:14 Sponsored LP: #1566508 & rolled back 15:14 Sponsored LP: #1590799 15:14 Reviewed LP: #1645324 for sponsoring & provided comments 15:14 Launchpad bug 1566508 in sssd (Ubuntu Trusty) "autofs races with sssd on startup" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1566508 15:14 Launchpad bug 1590799 in nfs-utils (Ubuntu Zesty) "nfs-kernel-server does not start because of dependency failure" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590799 15:14 Launchpad bug 1645324 in ebtables (Ubuntu Trusty) "ebtables: Lock file should be moved from /var/lib/ebtables to /run" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1645324 15:14 Need AA magic on releasing tomsfastmath into Main following MIR completion 15:14 - LP: #1619239 15:14 - Will unblock clamav from zesty-proposed 15:14 Launchpad bug 1619239 in tomsfastmath (Ubuntu) "[MIR] tomsfastmath (runtime dependency of clamav)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619239 15:14 Meetings 15:14 ☑ Done 15:14 cyphermox, didn't you meant to say "it's weird that I've never watched any star wars"? 15:15 not really no 15:15 cyphermox: is that some kind of choice? 15:15 I litterally didn't have to do anythign 15:16 don't know, it never came up, I was never interested, I've got plenty with Trek 15:16 cue holy war: Star Trek vs. Star Wars. 15:16 xnox is still on holiday right? 15:16 bdmurray, yes 15:17 are we at AOB now then? 15:18 I thought there was somebody after xnox 15:18 it was mwhudson next 15:18 and he gets a pass 15:18 because he's so far off the edge of the world I don't even know how to look up his TZ 15:18 any questions on status? 15:19 not from me 15:19 No, but could we talk about emails for SRUs stuck in -proposed? 15:19 [TOPIC] emails for SRUs stuck in -proposed 15:19 ok let's talk :) 15:20 but also http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/05/tourist-claims-detained-kazakhstan-officials-refused-believe/ 15:20 cyphermox: if you miss star wars :-) telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl 15:20 https://xkcd.com/1769/ 15:20 Laney: You have an opinion on not sending emails right? 15:21 oh, IPv6 has extra bling 15:22 cyphermox: it lies 15:22 cyphermox: also like there is a war, firefly all the way ;) 15:23 Well he said things are expected to delayed in -proposed for some period of time. 15:23 yes 15:23 so emailing folks after a single day of a package in -proposed for an SRU would be annoying and not helpful 15:23 bdmurray: don't you already have tooling to mail people? 15:23 And that he thought > 10 days was common. 15:23 Anyway, two practical issues 15:23 Laney: yes, but they only get emailed after 197 days or so 15:23 - Need to make the delay configurable 15:23 there was a bit of discussion on the exact process for emailing yesterday in #u-release... robru? 15:24 ah, Laney's there. 15:24 configurable by whom / how? 15:24 Hmm? 15:24 Laney: it comments on the bugs purported to be fixed by the SRU if its in -proposed for > 90 days or so 15:24 - Blocked packages, of which SRUs all are, won't trigger emails, so need to deal with that somehow 15:24 slangasek: in the britney.conf, so by b1 15:24 So it doesn't directly email the uploader 15:24 Laney: ok, so configured per-suite, not per-package or per-uploader; fair 15:24 We could make the threshold configurable in britney.conf, devel could be set to 3 days and stable could be set to 14 days or something 15:25 robru: where did 3 days come from? 15:25 changing the configuration for devel isn't on the table here :) 15:25 run 15:25 Laney: ? 15:26 slangasek: i decreased devel from 1 to 3 days because Laney wouldn't merge it with such a short repetition frequency 15:26 maybe its not a change slangasek and it's already 3 days! 15:26 robru: but the first mail still comes out after 1 day? 15:27 slangasek: no, the current email schedule for devel is day 3, 6, 12, 24, 48, 78, 108... 15:27 robru: ok, that wasn't what we discussed, please change it back to sending the first mail at 1 day and *I'll* merge it 15:27 slangasek: should i just make it configurable? 15:28 robru: that's orthogonal 15:29 slangasek: but why would i submit one branch to change it from 3 to 1, and then submit a second branch that makes it configurable? I can just make it configurable and then that solves both problems 15:30 robru: because we haven't defined what all is configurable, and I want the devel thing fixed today :) 15:30 slangasek: i can have a configuration branch submitted today 15:31 robru: that is not the same as having the configuration branch reviewed, agreed, and merged today 15:32 slangasek: ok I'll submit a 1-day-mail branch after breakfast then 15:32 robru: thanks 15:32 as for SRUs 15:32 robru: I think you need to restore the 1 or 5 thing 15:32 Sigh 15:32 where have we gotten to? 15:32 if you're doing that 15:32 1-or-5? 15:33 1 if excuse.is_valid else 5 15:33 or the other way around, I forget 15:33 The other way 15:33 I can't even remember why that existed 15:34 for things blocked at update_output.txt time, which need to be given more time 15:34 ah 15:34 seems fair 15:34 Do those things really take more time? Isn't that just installability checks which would be known right away? Why does that take extra time? 15:34 but I don't think we're converging on a plan for SRUs 15:34 you often have to sort out other packages 15:35 so can we table this until after the meeting and take it up in #ubuntu-release? 15:35 It *can* take extra time, or it *might* be an indication of a bug. 15:35 it'll still be a bug in 5 days 15:35 (US table, not UK table) 15:35 Failing in output checks doesn't necessarily mean a transition, it might be that you broke something. :P 15:35 ok, let's do that 15:35 ok 15:35 [TOPIC] AOB 15:35 anything else? 15:36 slangasek: i was about to ask about the libssl 1.0.2 transition for zeisty 15:36 When is our team pony coming? 15:36 rbalint: we are not transitioning to 1.0.2 for zesty 15:36 ok 15:37 We carry a delta specifically to prevent transitioning. 15:38 there are some packages on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/zesty/update_excuses.html which depend on 1.0.2 15:38 rbalint: xnox had taken the lead on that, maybe send an email to the list to ask about plans for 17.10 15:38 rbalint: transgui? 15:38 that one's a mess and we don't need to spend time fixing it this cycle 15:38 yep transgui 15:38 and a few others 15:38 it should self-fix once we upgrade openssl 15:39 but they don't seem to be important indeed 15:39 i'm looking for important packages to fix on excuses list 15:40 rbalint: hopefully most of the "important" ones aren't stuck there; but we still want to clean up -proposed as much as possible. It's just that for a package that is synced from Debian and needs no changes to be eventually correct, no clean-up is really needed (transgui) 15:41 anything else? 15:41 I suppose looking at main mainly might be good, but as you said, the cleanup in general is important 15:43 #endmeeting