== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-meeting Meeting, 11 Aug at 15:03 — 15:38 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-08-11-15.03.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== Lightning round ===
The discussion about "Lightning round" started at 15:03.


=== AOB ===
The discussion about "AOB" started at 15:25.

  * ''LINK:'' https://rol.im/securegoldenkeyboot/ 
  * ''LINK:'' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pNQYHvhnms 



== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * infinity (33)
 * xnox (32)
 * slangasek (31)
 * sil2100 (30)
 * cyphermox (27)
 * bdmurray (17)
 * tdaitx (13)
 * ubottu (12)
 * doko (11)
 * barry (10)
 * chiluk (8)
 * robru (4)
 * meetingology (3)



== Full Log ==


 15:03 <slangasek> #startmeeting

 15:03 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Aug 11 15:03:04 2016 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 15:03 <meetingology> 

 15:03 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 15:03 <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round

 15:03 <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx xnox chiluk mwhudson)

 15:03 <slangasek> robru caribou cyphermox mwhudson sil2100 xnox infinity bdmurray pitti slangasek doko chiluk barry tdaitx

 15:03 <robru> yay!

 15:03 <cyphermox> oh, so close

 15:03 <robru> very short week due to vacation mon-wed

 15:03 <chiluk> slangasek: caribou is on vacation this week.

 15:04 <robru> started porting publish job from jenkins to bileto, but just a tiny stub, not functional yet

 15:04 <robru> (done)

 15:04 <slangasek> chiluk: copy, thanks

 15:04 <slangasek> cyphermox:

 15:04 <cyphermox> trusty:

 15:04 <cyphermox> - investigate upgrade prompt bug for shim-signed (bug LP: #1607929)

 15:04 <cyphermox> yakkety:

 15:04 <cyphermox> - NetworkManager bugs (bug LP: #1589401)

 15:04 <cyphermox> - check legacy grub uses in grub-installer

 15:04 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1607929 in shim-signed (Ubuntu) "(trusty, debconf passthrough) package shim-signed 1.17~14.04.1+0.8-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script was killed by signal (Terminated)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1607929

 15:04 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1589401 in NetworkManager "cannot view wifi networks after re-enabling wifi" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1589401

 15:04 <cyphermox> - console-conf networking code

 15:04 <cyphermox> - debug ubiquity non-english translation crash (bug LP: #1611010)

 15:04 <cyphermox> - debugging network-manager openvpn split-tunnelling (bug LP: #1603898)

 15:04 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1611010 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "yakkety desktop - non-english installation crashes" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1611010

 15:04 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1603898 in network-manager (Ubuntu Xenial) "DNS resolution fails when using VPN and routing all traffic over it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603898

 15:04 <cyphermox> - shim extendedKeyUsage code

 15:04 <cyphermox> - test & upload new shim

 15:04 <cyphermox> - validate grub -> grub2 upgrade path

 15:04 <cyphermox> (done)

 15:05 <sil2100> Is mwhudson actually around at this time? ;)

 15:05 <cyphermox> doubtful

 15:05 <sil2100> Ok, so my turn

 15:05 <sil2100> - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails

 15:05 <sil2100> - RTM status meetings

 15:05 <sil2100> - Touch xenial:

 15:05 <sil2100> * Reverted repowerd on xenial as well (which has now re-landed with fixes)

 15:05 <sil2100> * Reviewed libhybris arm64-fix branches, coordinating landing

 15:05 <sil2100> - Experimenting with snappy and snaps

 15:05 <sil2100> - Update touch seeds per management requests

 15:05 <sil2100> - Staging a golang-1.6 forward-port from trusty with package rebuilds

 15:05 <sil2100> - Various updates to landing-team-tools, cleanup

 15:05 <sil2100> - Re-spinning snapshot-based OTA-12 emulator images + copying to stable

 15:05 <sil2100> - Familiarizing with bileto code, proposing small bugfix for PPA descriptions

 15:05 <sil2100> - zeromq3 update request:

 15:05 <sil2100> * Experimented with libzmq git snapshot package, refreshed patches

 15:06 <sil2100> * Prepped syncing zmqpp from upstream + the required patch from devel

 15:06 <sil2100> * Built test packages

 15:06 <sil2100> - Looked into the general migration issues in yakkety for touch-based packages

 15:06 <sil2100> * Prepared chroot, tried parsing update_output, waiting for transitions to finish

 15:06 <sil2100> (done)

 15:06 <xnox> * merging all the things

 15:06 <xnox> * Build atlas with zEC12 optimisations on s390x, and POWER8 timings on ppc64el (with coordination in Debian)

 15:06 <xnox> * fix FTBFS dbus-cpp (gcc-6)

 15:06 <xnox> * coordinate improved s390x support upstream in screenfetch, upload to yakkety

 15:06 <xnox> * oprofile SRU to xenial for goldmont & z13 support

 15:06 <xnox> * openssl SRU to xenial in the unapproved queue

 15:06 <xnox> * zua - implement whitelist builds only

 15:06 <xnox> *  s390x bugproxy wants new kernels, but apw is on holiday =)

 15:06 <xnox> ..

 15:06 <doko> they are working on the kernel, I'm told ...

 15:07 <infinity> * glibc 2.24 work, still sorting out some locale issues

 15:07 <infinity> * a bit of kernel SRU help

 15:07 <infinity> (done)

 15:07 <xnox> well, i'm not building a kernel on a debie's laptop and giving IBM to take that for a spin on their mainframes ;-)

 15:07 <infinity> xnox: "new kernel" in what sense?

 15:07 <xnox> infinity, 4.7 or 4.8

 15:08 <bdmurray> modified mojo spec / charms to use swift for apport code storage

 15:08 <bdmurray> investigation into RT 90399 daisy Traceback

 15:08 <bdmurray> submitted test crashes to lift and shift ET (rt 90399)

 15:08 <bdmurray> update daisy to stop accepting / retracing wily crashes

 15:08 <bdmurray> submitted RT to have daisy updated in staging / production

 15:08 <infinity> xnox: Well, 4.6 is landing soon.  4.7 will follow.

 15:08 <bdmurray> uploaded update-manager HWE support wording changes

 15:08 <bdmurray> wrote HWE support test case for testers

 15:08 <bdmurray> research into / fixing of HWE support multi-arch issue

 15:08 <bdmurray> uploaded update-manager HWE multi-arch fix

 15:08 <bdmurray> reported bug 1611982 re missing packages in HWE X stack

 15:08 <ubottu> bug 1611982 in xserver-xorg-video-ati-lts-xenial (Ubuntu Xenial) "HWE upgrade from vivid to xenial removes support for r128 and mach64" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1611982

 15:08 <bdmurray> updated update-notifier w/ hwe support for Trusty

 15:08 <bdmurray> uploaded improved fix for LP: #1579834

 15:08 <bdmurray> updated bug bot with 16.04.1 iso ident information

 15:08 <bdmurray> uploaded u-r-u for X fixing LP: #1611909

 15:08 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1579834 in apt-xapian-index (Ubuntu Xenial) "update-apt-xapian-index-dbus fails because of wrong import" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1579834

 15:08 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1611909 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Xenial) "xenial dist-upgrader using wrong demotions list" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1611909

 15:08 <bdmurray> ✔ done

 15:08 <slangasek> pitti is on vacation

 15:09 <slangasek> * slow week, taking me a long time to recover from cold

 15:09 <slangasek> * ubuntu-image spec finalization

 15:09 <slangasek> * console-conf design discussions

 15:09 <slangasek> * finishing a handful of merges before Feature Freeze

 15:09 <slangasek> * proposed-migration nudging

 15:09 <slangasek> (done)

 15:09 <slangasek> doko:

 15:09 <doko> - binutils 2.27

 15:09 <doko> - got gnat-6 into the release pocket

 15:09 <doko> - working on build failures, transitions ...

 15:09 <doko> - look at gcc bugs, upstream, ...

 15:09 <doko> - prepare GCC linaro builds

 15:09 <doko> - look at "Killed" build failures, reduce parallelism during the build. not sure if that is the right way ...

 15:09 <doko> - openjdk-9 update

 15:10 <doko> (done)

 15:10 <chiluk> - just opened lp#1612294 - not sure if anything can be done, but it's annoying.

 15:10 <chiluk> - other than that, mostly working ceph cases as most of my team have been on vacation the last few weeks.

 15:10 <chiluk> - Vacation Friday - Got Lasik

 15:10 <chiluk> (done)

 15:10 <barry> ubuntu-image: LP: #1605434 (more-parsing branch); gadget-yaml branch (WIP); prepare-image branch; sample-data branch

 15:10 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1605434 in Ubuntu Image "testsuite calls 'snap weld' multiple times" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605434

 15:10 <barry> debuntu: python-coverage sponsorship; pyparsing 2.1.6+dfsg1-1; LP: #1611503; various other discussions; claws-mail merge from Debian before FF (WIP)

 15:10 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1611503 in python-pip (Ubuntu Xenial) "[SRU] python3-lxc breaks pip3 freeze in Xenial" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1611503

 15:10 <barry> --done--

 15:11 <tdaitx> = OpenJDK security update

 15:11 <tdaitx> - Fixed broken JamVM: 2 new native methods were introduced in sun.misc.Unsafe and had to be implemented in JamVM as well (LP: #1611598); a bug has been reported to both JamVM and IcedTea and fixes have been provided for review

 15:11 <tdaitx> - OpenJDK 8 packages with JamVM seem to be broken as well but jtreg is not being run, working on that

 15:11 <tdaitx> - Waiting for 8u102 backport to be approved on aarch64-port to update the source package

 15:11 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1611598 in OpenJDK "jamvm is broken due to missing native methods in sun.misc.Unsafe" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1611598

 15:11 <tdaitx> - OpenJDK 7 builds still segfaults on Trusty on Arm64 (but it doe eventually passes); it used to be that building on trusty-security only segfaulted and trust-updates didn't, but now both have the same version; under investigation

 15:11 <tdaitx> - Keeping an eye on errors report related to LP: #1609190

 15:11 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1609190 in openjdk-8 (Ubuntu) "/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-openjdk-armhf/jre/bin/java:6:BytecodeInterpreter::run:CppInterpreter::main_loop:CppInterpreter::normal_entry:ZeroEntry::invoke:Interpreter::invoke_method" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1609190

 15:11 <tdaitx> = Other

 15:11 <tdaitx> - Went through a few bug reports

 15:11 <tdaitx> = AOB

 15:11 <tdaitx> - landline+adsl installed and working at 50/6 Mbps, torrents ups and running (for ISOs I say); also got a new battery for my UPS (does anyone else calls it a "no-break" besides Brazilians?)

 15:11 <tdaitx> (done)

 15:12 <xnox> bug #1612294

 15:12 <ubottu> bug 1612294 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Boot messages in /var/log/syslog are out of order and with mostly "useless" timestamp" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1612294

 15:12 <doko> tdaitx, is this with pch enabled? if yes, please can you try to disable that?

 15:14 <slangasek> chiluk: the timestamp is added by the syslog server, which systemd can only dump to once syslog is started

 15:14 <slangasek> so systemd can either send this info or not, but not control the timestamp

 15:14 <xnox> read journal?

 15:14 <chiluk> slangasek: Yeah I'm aware.. doesn't mean I can't bitch about it .. or at least get it documented.

 15:14 <slangasek> ok

 15:15 <slangasek> any questions over status?

 15:15 <infinity> Can't reasonably fix the timestamp thing, but the order is definitely a bug.

 15:15 <chiluk> slangasek ... If there's ever a discussion about switching away from systemd.. this will just be one more bit of ammo.

 15:15 <xnox> do we even have syslog by default? i thought we just use journal, and make that syslog.

 15:15 <slangasek> chiluk: switching away from systemd to what? :)

 15:15 * chiluk misses upstart..

 15:15 * xnox systeme

 15:15 <infinity> xnox: We definitely have syslog.

 15:16 <slangasek> xnox: absolutely not.  we don't bury our logs in a non-standard binary db :)

 15:16 <xnox> ok. I can't tell with my frankenstein machines =)

 15:16 <infinity> slangasek: Of course it's a standard, Lennart declared it thus.

 15:16 * xnox ponders if we should make journal dump plaintext logs and rotate that.

 15:17 <xnox> aka pg_dump for journald

 15:17 <slangasek> orrr we could continue using the perfectly good syslog that we already have infrastructure for

 15:17 <infinity> xnox: And that would be better than a standard syslog interface how?

 15:17 <sil2100> Asking for the last time: anyone against me updating zeromq3 to the latest git snapshot? ;)

 15:18 <infinity> sil2100: So, sorry, I'm only half awake.  You said this was for scopes people, which implies maybe phone work?

 15:18 <infinity> sil2100: Which implies they'd want this in xenial?

 15:18 <sil2100> infinity: yes, actually for ubuntu-personal

 15:18 <infinity> sil2100: s/phone/unity8/ then.

 15:18 <tdaitx> doko, thanks, I will check that

 15:18 <sil2100> Since they need that to get things working for snappy

 15:18 <sil2100> Yeah

 15:19 <infinity> sil2100: If this is only for yakkety *and* a real upstream release is around the corner, then fine.  If this is for xenial, then hahahaha no.

 15:19 <xnox> sil2100, snap zeromq3 ? =/

 15:19 <infinity> Or tell people that relying on features in git isn't really the way forward?

 15:19 <sil2100> I'm prepping it for yakkety right now, don't know anything about xenial - but who knows ;)

 15:19 <sil2100> Anyway yeah, the new version will be out soonish I guess

 15:19 <doko> sil2100, well, if all rdeps work with it ...

 15:20 <xnox> wait they want to put zeromq3 on every client? isn't that a bit heavy weight?

 15:20 <sil2100> No changes in symbols, just a few ones added

 15:20 <infinity> xnox: It's not.

 15:20 <infinity> xnox: It's quite little, in fact, which is the appeal.

 15:21 <xnox> ok.

 15:21 <infinity> xnox: Think of it like the sqlite of the MQ world.

 15:21 <infinity> xnox: An MQ with no engine, just a library and a socket.

 15:22 <slangasek> and incorrect case-insensitive matching behavior? :)

 15:23 <infinity> slangasek: I'm not sure the sqlite analogy extends that far. ;)

 15:23 <xnox> "like sqlite" ?! =)

 15:23 <slangasek> xnox: he didn't say "like couchdb", so it must be ok

 15:23 <infinity> (But it probably has similar failings... The size tradeoff is likely similarly worth it, though)

 15:24 <infinity> So, since we seem to have devolved into AOB, despite a topic change...

 15:24 <infinity> despite a lack of topic change.

 15:25 <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB

 15:25 <infinity> Has anyone seen bizarre issues on Intel GPUs with an up-to-date yakkety?

 15:25 <sil2100> I'll be on holidays on Monday

 15:25 <infinity> Like, flickering, render tearing, world exploding spectacularly requiring a reboot...

 15:25 <sil2100> I mean, one-day national holiday

 15:25 * xnox points out that Cold Water by Justin Bieber & Make me by Britney Spears are amazing songs

 15:26 <tdaitx> doko, so, I do have your latest patches (from debian's 7u111-2.6.7-0ubuntu0.14.04.1 for arm64 pch) but the build is not using disable-precompiled-headers, I will retry it with that and see how it goes

 15:26 * sil2100 still didn't figure out when to take his holidays

 15:26 <xnox> infinity, define bizarre?

 15:26 <xnox> and desktop / mobile / ultramobile graphics?

 15:26 <bdmurray> infinity: I've seen flickering

 15:26 <xnox> flickering yes.

 15:26 <infinity> xnox: Broadwell-U

 15:26 <xnox> also disable / uninstall flash plugin

 15:26 <cyphermox> secure boot magic win, yay.

 15:26 <xnox> oh the worst of them all.

 15:26 <cyphermox> ^ that was AOB ;)

 15:27 <slangasek> "secure boot magic win"?

 15:27 <xnox> I'm on skylake and it's ok. I don't think Broadwell-U was ever fixed.

 15:27 <cyphermox> https://rol.im/securegoldenkeyboot/

 15:27 <infinity> Alright, if everyone's seeing flickering, I at least know not to assume my laptop is dying.

 15:27 <slangasek> the magic won? you won the magic?

 15:27 <infinity> Now to figure out who to yell at.

 15:27 <cyphermox> nah

 15:27 <cyphermox> there was no magic

 15:27 <cyphermox> and much less won.

 15:27 <xnox> is that just ARM keys, or x86_64 keys too?

 15:27 <slangasek> well, /we/ win, because now we can put Ubuntu on all the Windows ARM devices :)

 15:27 <cyphermox> shrugs

 15:28 <slangasek> xnox: ARM only

 15:28 <cyphermox> I checked, it doesn't include any of our shim hashes

 15:28 <xnox> cause if it is just ARM keys, then it's intentional leak to open up the platform, as microsoft todate refused / didn't sign anybody else for that.

 15:28 <slangasek> uhm

 15:28 <slangasek> conspiracy theory much? :)

 15:29 <cyphermox> I wasn't under the impression this was only ARM though.

 15:29 <infinity> slangasek: Have you met Dmitri?

 15:29 <cyphermox> did the reptilian overlords already get him?

 15:30 * xnox saw new star trek, was very confused about lack of either aliens or predators

 15:31 <barry> xnox: saw it in imax 3d the day it premiered.  still pretty awesome

 15:32 <infinity> xnox: Pretty sure Kirk is a predator.

 15:32 <barry> infinity: only the shatnerkirk

 15:33 <barry> aoaob?

 15:33 <infinity> barry: Nah, the new Kirk is too.  They set that up in the very first movie.

 15:35 <bdmurray> he was even hiding under a bed in that one

 15:35 <barry> shatner would have never hid under a bed

 15:35 <barry> s/would/could/

 15:36 <infinity> That's because Shatner's Kirk lived in a 60s sci-fi world where beds were either welded to the ground or floating 4 feet in the air.

 15:36 <cyphermox> heh. I still have total respect for McCoy, who had the worst job of them all

 15:36 <infinity> cyphermox: McCoy worked on Secure Boot?

 15:37 <cyphermox> no, he cured Kirk's STDs.

 15:37 <infinity> Similar.

 15:37 <cyphermox> that's still a little bit above working on Secure Boot ;)

 15:37 <barry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pNQYHvhnms

 15:37 <barry> the 60s were so awesome

 15:38 <slangasek> #endmeeting



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