== Meeting information == * #ubuntu-meeting Meeting, 18 Feb at 16:03 — 16:41 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-02-18-16.03.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Lightning Round === The discussion about "Lightning Round" started at 16:03. === AOB === The discussion about "AOB" started at 16:14. * ''LINK:'' http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1546823 == Vote results == == Done items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * pitti (55) * sil2100 (35) * doko (31) * xnox (23) * barry (20) * robru (17) * cyphermox (14) * ubottu (11) * bdmurray (10) * nacc (6) * meetingology (3) * caribou (1) == Full Log == 16:03 #startmeeting 16:03 Meeting started Thu Feb 18 16:03:39 2016 UTC. The chair is pitti. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 16:03 16:03 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 16:03 #topic Lightning Round 16:03 $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx xnox) 16:03 slangasek cyphermox barry caribou bdmurray xnox sil2100 robru doko pitti infinity tdaitx 16:04 and the winner is absent! 16:04 cyphermox: would you have the honor? 16:04 or silently listening ;p 16:04 and did I miss anyone? chiluk? 16:05 pitti: i think chiluk was the only missing 16:05 * xnox ponders that i should probably prepare and update note or something 16:05 barry: go ahead please 16:05 (based on my last meeting bip log) 16:05 pytest 2.8.7-2; python-mode 1:6.2.2-1; debian bug #813399 (python-pip 8.0.2-6); debian bug #814571 (python-pip 8.0.2-7); debian bug #814834; fixing other issues with proposed migration for tox and virtualenv; tox 2.3.1-2 and 2.3.1-3; fades 5-1; planet-venus merge and sync; 16:05 Debian bug 813399 in python-pip-whl "python-pip-whl: fails to upgrade from 'testing' - trying to overwrite /usr/share/python-wheels/six-1.10.0-py2.py3-none-any.whl" [Serious,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/813399 16:05 Debian bug 814571 in python-pip "python-setuptools-whl and python-pip-whl: error when trying to install together" [Serious,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/814571 16:05 Debian bug 814834 in src:pytest "pytest fails its DEP-8 tests on Python 3.5-only systems" [Important,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/814834 16:05 system-image server reviews for sil2100; LP: 1508081 16:05 Launchpad bug 1508081 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Fails to receive OTA updates" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1508081 16:05 LP: #1440504 (libpeas split - done!) 16:05 Launchpad bug 1440504 in libpeas (Debian) "libpeas-1.0-0 depends on both libpython2.7 and libpython3.4" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1440504 16:06 helped kirkland and others with some python questions 16:06 Python 3 only spec: 11 packages still holding python2 on the desktop iso; software-center is gone! the next big one is samba-libs. 16:06 --done-- 16:06 s-c is already gone? wohooo!! 16:06 congrats 16:06 so gnome-software it is now? 16:06 i think so. it's not on today's daily 16:06 caribou: ? 16:07 pitti, just sent a note that he's late 16:07 bdmurray: ? 16:07 worked on getting floating IPs assinged to daisy & errors (devops) 16:07 worked w/ webops re mojo issue after wendigo update 16:07 submitted mojo bug (LP: #1546262) re directories 16:07 backport of new gdb to precise / upload to daisy-pluckers ppa 16:07 Launchpad bug 1546262 in mojo "mojo required full path for $MOJO_SPEC" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1546262 16:08 upgrading gdb on staging / production retracers 16:08 discussion w/ stub regarding cassandra data migration 16:08 research into LP: #1544612 (wireless sysctl file) 16:08 research into debootstrap bug (LP: #1544760) 16:08 Launchpad bug 1544612 in pm-utils (Ubuntu Trusty) "Missing fix for 1299975 claimed to be in pm-utils (1.4.1-13ubuntu0.1)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1544612 16:08 Launchpad bug 1544760 in debootstrap (Ubuntu) "Not possible to use armhf with debootstrap" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1544760 16:08 research into gdb and stacktrace_address_signature issue 16:08 ✔ done 16:08 ugh, sorry, I'm here now 16:08 please skip me. 16:09 cyphermox: ok, take xnox' place then (now) 16:09 cyphermox: maybe you go now? 16:09 :) 16:09 aye 16:09 xenial: 16:09 - debugging hw-detect disk scan errors on RDAC multipath (bug lp: #1546606) 16:09 - enable libnftnl tests 16:09 - investigating memtest avail. on server image w/ smoser 16:09 Launchpad bug 1546606 in hw-detect (Ubuntu) "Unable to install Ubuntu 16.04 on Tuleta with multipath setup" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1546606 16:09 - reviewing new package: libcxl 16:09 - rework ubiquity prepare plugin 16:09 - testing console-setup merge 16:09 - unbreak ubiquity for kubuntu 16:09 trusty: 16:09 - cert on powerVM 16:09 - prepare Changes doc for 14.04.4 release 16:09 (done) 16:09 o/ 16:09 - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails 16:09 - RTM Status meetings 16:09 - Coordinating the release of the glibc security fix to ubuntu-touch 16:09 - Custom tarball infrastructure: 16:09 * Following up on the team's RT ticket 16:09 * Getting access to s-jenkins for reference 16:09 * Poking Francis and Paul for an armhf jenkins slave, setting it up 16:09 - OTA-9.1 (hotfix): 16:10 * Heated discussion about the milestone existance, fix to include itp. 16:10 * Preparing the emergency snapshot PPA with the proper contents 16:10 * Multiple image builds (re-spins) and cherry-picking fixes 16:10 - OTA-9.5 (frieza): 16:10 * Preparations of images, copying first official candidate to the rc channel 16:10 - system-image: 16:10 * More tests for scripts 16:10 * Finishing up and merging in the fix for repacking recovery keyrings 16:10 - Some minor work regarding enablement of the turbo device in our public system-image 16:10 - Taking care of the python-pysaml2 merge 16:10 - Seed changes as per pending ubuntu-touch requirements 16:10 - Discussions about the future of our touch frameworks 16:10 - Planning and experimenting on a way to auto-validate OTA PPA snapshots contents 16:10 (done) 16:10 sil2100: oh, s-jenkins is still a thing? I thought these all got shut down 16:10 pitti: no, it's still there as many teams didn't manage to migrate 16:10 * xnox is ready 16:11 xnox: go 16:11 go xnox 16:11 Doing a few NEW packages for s390x port, all in NEW waiting review 16:11 Did a fixup of packages not rebuilt for python3.5 transition 16:11 Was out Thursday-Friday last week on holiday, at SPI sprint in NYC loads of progress on how to get SPI running better, bdale was there met up with Karen too 16:11 Fixing a bunch of installer related bugs, on s390x. 16:11 Working on fixing FTBFS of docker.io build-depends, to have a chance at merging it (golang circular FTBFS build-deps make this bootstrap fun) 16:11 .. 16:11 lp:bileto 16:11 * send britney results immediately after each silo is known rather than batching results until all silos are complete 16:11 * fix a bunch of logging issues in the britney glue related to python output buffering 16:11 * begin using proper production creds rather than logging into lp anonymously 16:11 * big refactoring, dropping SSO team & server side session support, eliminating several hundred lines of code 16:11 * [not landed yet] began working on ephemeral PPA creation & deletion. 16:11 lp:canonical-mojo-specs 16:11 * finally fixed issue with postgres charm, so db is back on persistent disk 16:11 lp:cupstream2distro 16:11 * refactor all the new swift code to greatly improve reliability of artifact uploads 16:11 * log swift artifacts in publish log for easy reference 16:11 (end) 16:12 robru: ah, did the staggering of britney help reduce the latency? 16:12 - usual toolchain updates ... 16:12 - more transitions, ftbfs fixes, nbs, ... 16:12 - ongoing gnutls transition 16:12 - preparing for go1.6, both golang and gccgo 16:12 - python3 bindings for samba libs talloc, tdb, ldb 16:12 - gdb 7.11 (branch) 16:12 - bind9 review and bug fixes 16:12 pitti: yeah 16:12 - grep build failure on powerpc, solved by giving it back a dozen times 16:12 - gcc-4.9 and cross compilers now finally buildable in the release pocket 16:12 - finally patched various unity packages myself to get rid off libgee 16:12 (done) 16:12 autopkgtest: 16:12 - Simplify autopkgtest-retrier code, generalize it, and integrate into autopkgtest-cloud 16:12 - Enable test requests from GitHub; running for systemd upstream PRs now 16:12 - Support multiple trigger arguments for request.cgi (mostly for kernel team) 16:12 Apport: 16:12 - Review/fix/cleanup stgraber's branch for reporting crashes in containers, landed in Xenial 16:12 - Adjust tests for new gdb 16:12 - Investigate bad address signatures (#1533349) 16:12 pitti: each run takes an hour now so putting results immediately rather than waiting till the end is a huge speedup 16:12 distro: 16:12 - Build and test fresh xenial -base langpacks 16:12 - Review/sponsor smoser's open-iscsi merge 16:12 - systemd: Debug test failure on several arches, fix installation with RAMTMP=yes (#1545707), various autopkgtest robustifications 16:13 - pm-utils: Fix wireless hooks for different drivers (#1544612), some packaging modernizations 16:13 - merged util-linux 16:13 ␄ 16:13 no infinity, so tdaitx 16:13 doko, do you want to upload golang 1.6 final? or should I? 16:13 sil2100: "future of our touch frameworks" → in terms of moving to snappy, or moving away from vivid? any news ther? 16:13 xnox, I was asked to do it, but if you want, go ahead 16:14 doko, ok, let me see if i can get that in today. 16:14 ok, no tdaitx either 16:14 #topic AOB 16:15 component mismatches ... 16:15 http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg 16:15 pitti: not so far into the future like snappy, but we a few meetings regarding how to manage those per-OTA update and what to do after we switch away from vivid 16:15 pitti: nothing definite yet though, we didn't have any decision power there so far 16:15 sil2100: well, having a workable solution already sounds very promising :) 16:15 thanks 16:15 please have a look at these on the top, see which is foundations related, pick up an incomplete MIR ... 16:16 sil2100: what's the timeline to switch away from vivid? 16:16 sil2100, what about building ubuntu userspace on arm64? and supporting armhf & arm64 in the store? 16:16 doko: `python3 -m venv foo` still works 16:17 robru: no real timetable, it's a taboo topic right now, everyone thinks about it but no one wants to talk about it our loud 16:17 ;) 16:18 sil2100: so system-image is still twitching :) 16:18 xnox: I know there were a few management discussions about that but sadly I wasn't included, so I don't know much about the final plans 16:18 sil2100: oh that sounds like a healthy way to run a commercial product 16:19 xnox: for now we stick with armhf userspace 16:20 barry: well, in a sense, yes ;) I don't know what to think anymore as whenever I talk about s-i somewhere people are like: "meh, it's old stuff, snappy that snappy this" 16:21 sil2100: yeah 16:21 so who picks which incomplete MIR? 16:21 but i've also been told i can't ignore si client just yet ;) 16:22 barry: it's hard to say we should ignore s-i since most of my day is related to doing s-i stuff ;p 16:22 anything else for the meeting, or should we close this? 16:22 sil2100: right. i have a high priority task that i will be getting back to today 16:22 barry: in case you have an MR, you know where to find me! 16:23 sil2100: \o/ 16:23 pitti, well, I asked, but nobody replied 16:24 well, since libbusiness-isbn-perl is at the left, I'll just pick that 16:24 o/ 16:24 indicator-datetime has been there for multiple releases and is an "ignore", right? 16:24 xnox: is gonna automatically fix all the 'B's 16:24 ?! 16:25 * xnox looks 16:25 xnox: build-depends :) 16:25 pitti, please cut the dependency chain before maven-debian-helper 16:25 doko: oh, I was going to cut it right at the top if possible 16:25 indicator-datetime is a false positive 16:25 barry, well, we need to send pitti and doko on a holiday for like a month, do the lp switch, then when they come back it will be "too late" to change things back. 16:26 I'll reply to your last reply on the ML 16:26 xnox, if you send us way, nothing will migrate anymore 16:26 that's not what I meant 16:26 doko: hm, but that also means nothing will break, so we *can* actually go to holidays 16:26 this svg graph is fun 16:27 i like the island of "python-hypothesis" =) 16:27 i'm glad i have a jillion x bazillion resolution monitor 16:27 barry, do you take python-hypothesis? 16:27 doko: yes, i jsut found that 16:27 LP: #1546982 16:27 Launchpad bug 1546982 in python-genty (Ubuntu) "[MIR] b-d's of python-hypothesis: python-flaky and python-genty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1546982 16:27 * xnox ponders why we have kde4 in main 16:27 sorry kde4libs 16:28 we always had 16:28 php5, that sounds like picking which version of PHP we want to support in xenial 16:29 firebird is something that I wouldn't like to see in main, the rest looks harmless at first sight 16:29 firebird is evil. 16:29 firebird is dropped in 5, needs to be dropped in 7 16:29 but I'm quite sure php can be built without firebird support 16:29 i see like 3 patches to get us onto php7 i think. 16:30 but it's unclear for me how far we are away from 7 16:30 so is "7" the answer for xenial now? 16:30 pitti: yes (from the server team) 16:30 as long as it's not two major versions 16:30 nacc: ah, good 16:30 right, just 7 16:30 no 5 16:30 pitti, both depend on defaults ... 16:31 nacc, how will you drop 5? 16:31 ok, so that whole php5 blob there should disappear 16:31 anyway, one last issue: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/gnutls28.html 16:31 fixes welcome 16:32 needed for everything execpt efl and ubuntu-meta 16:32 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1546823 16:32 Launchpad bug 1546823 in swig (Ubuntu) "swig: disable PHP bindings until PHP7 support exists" [Wishlist,New] 16:32 are three outstanding patches there, i think. 16:33 doko: not sure how to answer that, we have an ongoing transition to migrate all deps throughout the archive to php- (not php7.0-) as requested by the debian maintainer, and there's a bootstrap needed for building some tightly bd-looped stuff 16:33 doko: but in theory once that's done (and i've got another set that needs manual work), there will be nothing depending on php5 in the archive 16:35 xnox: right that's an unfortunate consequence, but does fix-up two of the main -> php5 deps that i hit; and the hope is we can get upstream fixed relatively soon (just haven't had enough time to spend on it myself) 16:40 pitti, end? 16:41 yeah, I guess so 16:41 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)