== Meeting information == * #ubuntu-meeting: DMB, 20 Jul at 19:05 — 20:21 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-07-20-19.05.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Review previous action items === The discussion about "Review previous action items" started at 19:06. * '''Laney get with CC to get the voting rules documented''' (19:07) * '''micahg to get Noskcaj feedback''' (19:07) * '''micahg to call for nominations to fill soon to be empty DMB seat''' (19:07) === Confirm DMB election result === The discussion about "Confirm DMB election result" started at 19:08. * ''LINK:'' http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_f7044c9c0a0f68b6 * ''LINK:'' http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_f7044c9c0a0f68b6 * ''Vote:'' DMB to affirm election results at http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_f7044c9c0a0f68b6 (Carried) * ''ACTION:'' micahg to send E-Mail to TB with election results and DMB affirmation and ask for approval/team changes * ''ACTION:'' micahg to ask IRC team to update dmb-ping once team updates happen === applications for ubuntu-server upload rights for Corey Bryant === The discussion about "applications for ubuntu-server upload rights for Corey Bryant" started at 19:17. * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CoreyBryant/UbuntuServerDeveloperApplication * ''LINK:'' https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/heat/1:5.0.0~b1-0ubuntu1/+build/7628909 * ''LINK:'' https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ceilometer/1:5.0.0~b1-0ubuntu2/+build/7635433 * ''Vote:'' Corey Bryant (coreycb) to get upload rights to the Ubuntu Server packageset (Carried) * ''ACTION:'' micahg or other DMB member to add coreycb to Ubuntu Server uploaders === input-methods packageset criteria change === The discussion about "input-methods packageset criteria change" started at 20:14. * ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-July/000811.html * ''Vote:'' New input methods packageset criteria based on Laney's suggestion in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-July/000811.html (Carried) === AOB === The discussion about "AOB" started at 20:18. * The DMB would like to thank Scott Kitterman for his years of service on the DMB. == Vote results == * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-07-20-19.05.log.html#186 New input methods packageset criteria based on Laney's suggestion in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-July/000811.html]] * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 4/0/0) * Voters bdmurray, xnox, micahg_work, cyphermox * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-07-20-19.05.log.html#21 DMB to affirm election results at http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_f7044c9c0a0f68b6]] * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 4/0/0) * Voters cyphermox, xnox, micahg_work, bdmurray * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-07-20-19.05.log.html#156 Corey Bryant (coreycb) to get upload rights to the Ubuntu Server packageset]] * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 4/0/0) * Voters bdmurray, xnox, micahg_work, cyphermox == Action items, by person == * coreycb * micahg or other DMB member to add coreycb to Ubuntu Server uploaders * **UNASSIGNED** * micahg to send E-Mail to TB with election results and DMB affirmation and ask for approval/team changes * micahg to ask IRC team to update dmb-ping once team updates happen == Done items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * micahg_work (61) * coreycb (56) * meetingology (33) * xnox (29) * cyphermox (11) * bdmurray (8) * infinity (7) * doko (4) * ScottK (1) == Full Log == 19:05 #startmeeting DMB 19:05 Meeting started Mon Jul 20 19:05:52 2015 UTC. The chair is micahg_work. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 19:05 19:05 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 19:06 Welcome to the DMB meeting 19:06 #topic Review previous action items 19:07 #subtopic Laney get with CC to get the voting rules documented 19:07 I believe this was done 19:07 #subtopic micahg to get Noskcaj feedback 19:07 I still need to do this 19:07 #subtopic micahg to call for nominations to fill soon to be empty DMB seat 19:07 this was done as well as the election 19:08 #topic Confirm DMB election result 19:08 yep 19:08 anyone have the results link handy? 19:08 http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_f7044c9c0a0f68b6 19:08 sorry, [LINK] http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_f7044c9c0a0f68b6 19:09 thanks 19:09 ugh, whatever it is ^ 19:09 #link http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_f7044c9c0a0f68b6 19:09 #vote DMB to affirm election results at http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_f7044c9c0a0f68b6 19:09 Please vote on: DMB to affirm election results at http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_f7044c9c0a0f68b6 19:09 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 19:09 +1 19:09 +1 received from micahg_work 19:09 +1 19:09 +1 received from cyphermox 19:10 +1 19:10 +1 received from xnox 19:10 We have a +1 from Laney as well 19:11 bdmurray, ^^ 19:11 +1 19:11 +1 received from bdmurray 19:11 #endvote 19:11 Voting ended on: DMB to affirm election results at http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_f7044c9c0a0f68b6 19:11 Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 19:11 Motion carried 19:11 infinity: you've been confirmed as a new DMB member 19:11 Congrats to infinity on being elected to the DMB to fill the remainder of ScottK's term 19:11 well 19:11 technically I think we now forward to TB and they have to approve :) 19:12 bah ;) 19:12 #action micahg to send E-Mail to TB with election results and DMB affirmation and ask for approval/team changes 19:12 * meetingology micahg to send E-Mail to TB with election results and DMB affirmation and ask for approval/team changes 19:13 paperwork... 19:13 Don't forget to update the dmb ping. 19:13 hrm, Laney isn't here for the next item... 19:14 #action micahg to ask IRC team to update dmb-ping once team updates happen 19:14 * meetingology micahg to ask IRC team to update dmb-ping once team updates happen 19:15 let's start with applications 19:15 * micahg_work is looking for Unit193 quickly 19:16 ok, moving to coreycb since he's here 19:17 o/ 19:17 Hi 19:17 #topic applications for ubuntu-server upload rights for Corey Bryant 19:17 #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CoreyBryant/UbuntuServerDeveloperApplication 19:22 coreycb: Could you tell us a bit about yourself? 19:22 micahg: seems to have network problems. 19:22 Sure 19:22 yes, sorry 19:23 coreycb: how do you envision openstack moving to python3 only? python3 only in Ubuntu? 19:23 I work on OpenStack packaging and it's dependencies for Ubuntu. 19:23 well we've started to migrate the python clients to python3 19:24 So it's in the works, and upstream is also working to move to python3 19:24 A little more about myself.. 19:25 wily will be 3.5 as the default 19:25 I've been packaging since early 2014 19:25 and have since started to take over a lot of the SRUs 19:25 and have contributed a decent amount to the new release (liberty) 19:26 so having upload rights would be a big help for streamlining our process, and take some load off of zul and jamespage 19:27 coreycb: Would be a better question for Chuck or James, but I'll trust you to answer honestly: On average, when they're sponsoring for you, how often would you say they find issues you need to fix? 19:28 infinity, less than 5% I'd say 19:28 typically I consult with them before issues come up 19:29 coreycb: And, I assume, with upload rights, that process won't change? You'll still ask for input from your peers if something seems a bit off or needs another set of eyes? 19:29 coreycb: could you describe in general terms what stages a package goes through from upload by developer, until it reaches the users of the development release wily? why might it not reach those users? 19:30 infinity, definitely 19:30 xnox, sure 19:30 well most packages start in debian obviously 19:30 and we have to do a lot of syncs and merges with debian 19:31 and once those packages are in universe we need to get them into main for many of the openstack packages, the supported ones 19:31 when uploading, we'll upload to wily-proposed 19:32 and the packages then move to wily-updates (post release) 19:32 or straight to wily pocket pre-release 19:32 ok. 19:32 coreycb: I think he was asking for all the proposed -> ??, ??, ?? -> release steps in between. ;) 19:33 coreycb: and why/how things might not end up in the wily pocket pre-release? 19:33 (second part of the question) 19:33 xnox, right so issues might occur with autopkgtesting 19:33 in migration to proposed 19:34 we'd need to evaulate various issues that could occur in update excuses 19:34 ok. sounds good. 19:36 infinity, so yeah wily-proposed to -> wily-updates -> cloud archive might be what you're looking for 19:36 coreycb: in update excuses what does "missing build on amd64" mean? is that a problem for a pure-python package (arch:all)? 19:36 coreycb: So, historically, openstack packages have suffered two major issues in proposed-migration. One just being new deps that cause a transition/blockage and need MIRs and the like to sort out. You've been really good about keeping on top of that (thanks). 19:36 coreycb: The other major issue is that sometimes autopkgtest regressions go unnoticed/unresolved for weeks. Do you have a plan to make sure that happens less often, and how? 19:37 * xnox is mostly asking silly questions cause i naver worked/sponsored coreycb thus try to probe where on contributor - core-dev spectrum the applicant is. 19:37 xnox, no I don't think that's an issue for a pure python package since it's interpreted 19:37 coreycb: what does FTBFS mean? 19:37 fails to build from source 19:37 coreycb: xnox's question was (unintentionally?) a trick question, BTW, since amd64 is the arch that builds arch:all packages in vivid and later. :) 19:38 do you known how to fix it? 19:38 doko, ftbfs? 19:38 heh, yes 19:38 coreycb: ... thus there would be no binary .deb of a said python package if it fails to build from source. 19:39 doko, it probably depends, but recently I diagnosed an ftbfs in the cloud archive for liberty and tests were failing due to a missing dep 19:39 and how do you become aware of packages that ftbfs which you don't upload yourself? 19:39 doko, well in that case it was the cloud archive so we have a mailing list for that 19:40 doko, I think here -- http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/ 19:40 coreycb: "no I don't think that's an issue for a pure python package since it's interpreted" this is wrong by the way. "missing build on amd64" means .deb was never created for this package, and it means it never got build and will not propagate. It could be that it is failing to build from source (like you said bugs/errors in testsuite etc) or it could be in dep-wait state (build dependencies not satisfied). When in dep-wait state launchpad 19:40 doesn't even attempt to build the packages. 19:40 micahg_work: I don't we need Laney for the input-methods discussion 19:40 coreycb: and yeah, tricky cause amd64 compiles _all.deb packages for us (as infinity said) 19:41 in willy. 19:41 bdmurray, right, I noticed the comment in his email and I'm ready to bring it up once we're done with this topic 19:42 infinity, sorry I missed your qeustion 19:42 coreycb: S'ok, you're kinda getting slammed from all sides here. :P 19:43 infinity: but so far the answers are handled well, for the archive rights application is for. 19:43 imho. 19:43 infinity, re autopkgtest regressions. setting time aside each week to evaluate things like component mismatches, or update excuses, or bug triaging is something I need to do. 19:43 coreycb, on that topic, Laney noticed that your last two uploads seem to be stuck in dependency wait status, have you been working on resolving that? 19:43 infinity, :) 19:44 coreycb: have you ever participated in a transition? e.g. migration to a new major version of something rather (python, boost, gcc, or any other smaller libraries)? 19:44 micahg_work, yes, well liberty is a new release now so it's really in some of the busiest parts of the openstack packaging release lifecycle 19:44 micahg_work, so some things do need attention but yeah it's a balance, and we have a list of done and to-do :) 19:46 xnox, If I understand your question, we're about to do that with openstack actually, as they're moving to a new versioning scheme 19:46 xnox, so we'll need to add an epoch to the version 19:47 coreycb: ack. sounds good. 19:47 coreycb: you might find transition tracker useful for that. It takes syntax to mark things as good/bad and then one can easily track progress of such things. 19:48 coreycb, right, I understand there are chicken and egg issues, I was wondering if you've followed up at all and if so, what's happening with those packages' dependencies 19:48 E.g. here is the tracker for upcomming libstdc++ abi transition http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/libstdc++6.html 19:48 xnox, thanks I'll look into that 19:48 micahg_work, did you have one in particular? 19:49 micahg_work, we probably have some MIRs being settled 19:49 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/heat/1:5.0.0~b1-0ubuntu1/+build/7628909 19:49 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ceilometer/1:5.0.0~b1-0ubuntu2/+build/7635433 19:50 micahg_work, heat is waiting on python-designateclient which we have an MIR open for 19:50 and is dependent on a new python-cliff which is working it's way through from debian 19:52 micahg_work, ceilometer is waiting on python-awsauth, we have an MIR open for that too 19:56 so, heat needs the new python-cliff or python-designateclient? 19:58 heat needs python-designateclient and python-designateclient needs python-cliff, but I don't see cliff in component mismatches so maybe it's ok. I need to check rmadison to see what version we haven ow. 19:58 s/ow/now 19:59 micahg_work, ah. 20:00 micahg_work, I believe we have a new version of python-designateclient in debian we need to sync 20:01 coreycb, so, is this a requirement of the MIR or of heat? 20:02 (new version that is) 20:02 micahg_work, no actually sorry I think I'm just confusing things 20:02 ok 20:05 micahg_work, I'm not sure why python-designateclient isn't in main yet. The MIR's been fix committed. 20:05 it appears to be building ok 20:05 I might just need to poke the release team 20:06 right, I was wondering if you or your team regularly follow up on those 20:06 micahg_work, we do yes, I'm starting to 20:06 great 20:06 ok, any other questions 20:07 micahg_work, none from me :) 20:08 #vote Corey Bryant (coreycb) to get upload rights to the Ubuntu Server packageset 20:08 Please vote on: Corey Bryant (coreycb) to get upload rights to the Ubuntu Server packageset 20:08 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 20:09 +1 20:09 +1 received from bdmurray 20:09 +1 20:09 +1 received from xnox 20:09 +1 20:09 +1 received from cyphermox 20:10 +1 20:10 +1 received from micahg_work 20:11 #endvote 20:11 Voting ended on: Corey Bryant (coreycb) to get upload rights to the Ubuntu Server packageset 20:11 Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 20:11 Motion carried 20:11 coreycb, congrats 20:11 =) 20:11 thank you very much! 20:11 coreycb: congrats! 20:11 I appreciate your time and questions, thanks again. 20:12 #action micahg or other DMB member to add coreycb to Ubuntu Server uploaders 20:12 * meetingology micahg or other DMB member to add coreycb to Ubuntu Server uploaders 20:13 ok, let's quickly go through the input methods item 20:13 +1 20:13 was I too quick? 20:14 #topic input-methods packageset criteria change 20:14 #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-July/000811.html 20:14 are we ready for a vote? 20:14 * bdmurray is 20:14 I am 20:15 #vote New input methods packageset criteria based on Laney's suggestion in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-July/000811.html 20:15 Please vote on: New input methods packageset criteria based on Laney's suggestion in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-July/000811.html 20:15 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 20:15 against what should i run sed -r -ne 's/^im:([^:]*:)*(.*)$/\2/p' 20:15 > >> >language-selector-*/data/pkg_depends | sort -u ? 20:15 * xnox wants to double check sanity 20:16 run it in a dir that where you grab the language selector source IIRC 20:17 +1 20:17 +1 received from xnox 20:17 +1 20:17 +1 received from bdmurray 20:17 checked that and the rest of the request. 20:17 +1 20:17 +1 received from cyphermox 20:18 +1 20:18 +1 received from micahg_work 20:18 and we have a +1 from Laney as well 20:18 #endvote 20:18 Voting ended on: New input methods packageset criteria based on Laney's suggestion in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-July/000811.html 20:18 Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 20:18 Motion carried 20:18 #topic AOB 20:20 #info The DMB would like to thank Scott Kitterman for his years of service on the DMB. 20:21 next chair is bdmurray 20:21 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)