17:01 #startmeeting 17:01 Meeting started Thu Mar 19 17:01:46 2015 UTC. The chair is dholbach. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 17:01 17:01 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 17:01 aloha 17:01 hello all 17:02 #topic Catching up with the Kubuntu Council 17:02 #chair pleia2 czajkowski cprofitt 17:02 Current chairs: cprofitt czajkowski dholbach pleia2 17:02 hey Riddell - how are you doing? did you bring anyone else from the Kubuntu Council? :) 17:02 Mamarok is here from kubuntu council and ahoneybun a useful kubuntu person is here 17:02 brilliant 17:03 and here's sgclark another useful kubuntu person 17:03 how are thing going? how are the preparations for 15.04 going? 17:03 15.04 is going to rock 17:03 hi all 17:03 it's out 10th anniversary and the headlines are going wild 17:03 glad to hear it :) 17:03 welcome sgclark 17:03 I think we may crash twitter when we launch 17:03 :-)) 17:03 Riddell: hehe 17:03 first distro with Plasma 5, it's going to be the year of the linux desktop at last 17:04 is the kubuntu testing squad happy with the the new release too? :) 17:05 they seem to be, some issues with systemd but surisingly few given the change 17:05 yeah... I was quite surprised too how smooth the transition went 17:06 somebody mentioned daily image builds being broken for a day or something 17:06 they're broken on virtualbox 17:06 which is an issue in X that I see in ubuntu unity too 17:06 * mhall119 is here now 17:06 #chair mhall119 17:06 Current chairs: cprofitt czajkowski dholbach mhall119 pleia2 17:07 Riddell, do you know if a bug is open for it? 17:07 Riddell: congrats on 10 years of Kubuntu, btw, that's an amazing milesgtone 17:07 we have bug 1432343, was going to ask pitti if there was another one 17:07 bug 1432343 in syslinux (Ubuntu) "Vivid Daily 20150315: Live cd does not boot in VirtualBox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1432343 17:08 Riddell, you could try to ping LocutusOfBorg1 about it - he's maintaining virtualbox in debian and ubuntu (if anything needs to be done there)... 17:08 ah ok 17:08 looks like you're well covered there :) 17:09 Riddell: how have things gone coordinating Qt releases in 15.04 between KDE's and Unity's needs? 17:10 mhall119: that seems to have gone well, Mirv and mitya57 are on #k-d and we chat about updates, they're pleasingly responsive 17:10 great 17:11 how about Wayland integration, is Plasma 5 going to use it? 17:11 it will but probably not for the next LTS 17:12 do you have a special build for it or something like that for testers or curious folks? 17:12 no it's still in development upstream, nothing very usable yet 17:12 but we do have kci 17:12 kubuntu continuous integration 17:12 that builds packages every day 17:12 and weekly ISOs from it 17:12 oh nice... what happens in kci? 17:12 so Plasma and other KDE developers can always test the latest and greatest 17:12 what do you build and/or test there? 17:13 dholbach: more or less all of Plasma/ KF5 and some apps 17:13 dholbach: all of these projects are built http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/ci-tooling.git/tree/data/projects.json 17:13 ( except the custom_ci bits ) 17:13 we are also sharing out packaging repositories with Debian now 17:13 does any gatekeeping happening there as well? 17:13 so much less duplicate work all around 17:14 like "build it, run tests, if they fail, your change won't get in"? 17:14 gatekeeping? 17:14 dholbach: some what, sitter is working on keeping a eye and fixes things as they break 17:14 ok, so Sitter is the gatekeeper, I see :) 17:14 I still need to write some code to run autotests separately ( only in build tests are run at the moment ) 17:15 more or less :P 17:15 how do you feel Kubuntu is doing community wise? did you approve some new members recently? 17:15 we are in #kubuntu-ci if you want to look at colored jenkins output :P 17:16 shadeslayer, I'm usually happy enough if I *don't* get mail or any notification of jenkins :-P 17:16 ;) 17:17 the community is doing ok, we had 1 new member this year and plenty of people hang around. it's not as active as it used to be and is probably overly dependent on me 17:17 but yeah, I think it's absolutely fantastic that you're doing a lot in the CI world - it pays off so quickly 17:17 I don't think not having new people is a bad sign per se, I've had people IM me and send me messages on Forums saying that they love Kubuntu 17:18 Riddell, do you feel there are a lot of things which only you can do in the project? 17:18 so, the developer community is most certainly becoming a bit stale :( 17:19 oh sure the user community are lovely and not a day goes by when I don't get people excited about 15.04 17:19 shadeslayer, sure... the people who actually decide to get involved, read the docs and take the plunge are very much the tip of the iceberg of all *ubuntu lovers 17:19 *nod* 17:19 I don't think there's anything only I can do, it's just a question of hours 17:19 where do you think we can reach new potential Kubuntu developers? From the rest of the Ubuntu community, or from upstream KDE community? 17:20 kubuntu users probably 17:20 I agree 17:21 are there any initiatives to convert users into developers/contributors? 17:21 only that I grab people whenever they show interest and offer them tutorial and handholding 17:22 So the Ubuntu Online Summit is coming up soon, I know Kubuntu hasn't used it much for planning, but it might be a good time and place to host instructional sessions for this purpose 17:22 kind of a "How to become a Kubuntu Developer" 17:23 possibly, I always find UOS hard to motivate myself by, we have real life meetings which work an aweful lot better 17:23 * mhall119 is going to be looking for some Kubuntu members to be track leads again too 17:23 heh 17:23 I failed miserably at that 17:23 Riddell: understood, the Kubuntu sessions in the last two UOSes seemed very popular though 17:24 sgclark: I'm going to try and recruit you again, so I wouldn't say that :) 17:24 since it's after the release, you could probably do a feedback or Q&A round 17:24 lol 17:24 ah here's ovidiu-florin, he's working on a nice new website for us 17:24 cool 17:24 hello 17:25 hey ovidiu-florin 17:25 * ovidiu-florin was hoping to stay unnoticed 17:25 that's brilliant - it's really nice to get to know the entire team :-)) 17:26 mhall119, maybe we could invite the Kubuntu team to one of the next Community Q&A sessions? 17:26 what are we talking about? 17:26 +1 17:26 cool :) 17:26 ovidiu-florin: user community participation in kubuntu, among other things :) 17:26 ovidiu-florin, regarding the Q&A session or in general? 17:27 dholbach: that would be cool indeed 17:27 * mhall119 just heard shadeslayer volunteer 17:27 I'd love to see a demo of what's new in kubuntu land 17:27 mhall119: I'm volunteering me and Riddell xD 17:27 sorry, I had to finish some urgent work, but am reading now 17:27 * mhall119 just heard Riddell voluntold 17:27 that might also be a good opportunity to recruit new kubuntu folks :) 17:27 dholbach: in general 17:28 dholbach: both actually 17:28 ovidiu-florin, this meeting is an opportunity for the Kubuntu Council and Community Council to catch up 17:28 ovidiu-florin, we do this once a cycle to see how things are going 17:28 the Q&A session mhall119 and I mentioned happens once a week on http://ubuntuonair.com/ 17:28 usually we have lots of people from ubuntu social media channels who ask all kinds of questions 17:29 and it's nice to have guests there who can show off something 17:29 or answer questions in their area of expertise 17:29 I have to go for spanish class, hasta luego :) 17:29 shadeslayer, enjoy! :) 17:30 :) 17:30 * Mamarok wonders why he doesn't learn Catalan instead... 17:30 I'll drop Riddell and shadeslayer a mail about the Q&A and we can have a look at the calendar together 17:30 does anyone have any more questions? 17:31 * Riddell does 17:31 shoot 17:31 with a 9 mm 17:31 http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/intellectual-property-policy still says "Otherwise you... will need to recompile the source code to create your own binaries." this is untrue and disrespectful to the copyright owners, who are Ubuntu's upstream communities 17:31 I have been hilighting this for over a year and the community council has done nothing about it. It is hurting Kubuntu development. The communitiy council needs to make a firm statement that this is untrue and that in the spirit of free software they welcome derivatives. 17:32 we certainly haven't done nothing 17:32 in fact, it's consumed quite a bit of our time and efforts over the same year 17:32 Riddell: to be clear we've raised it to canonical legal 17:32 * ovidiu-florin has a question as well 17:32 czajkowski: that doesn't seem to be getting anywhere, time to just take a stand 17:32 Where do you see Kubuntu development hurt? 17:32 Riddell: can you go into detail about how it is hurting Kubuntu development? 17:33 and from there it;s kinda hit a wall we are talking to rickspencer in the coming weeks and will ask for it to be pushed again 17:33 dholbach: shadeslayer used to be working full time on Kubuntu, now he's not 17:33 czajkowski: best stop giving in to their stalling and just make a statement 17:33 Riddell: it's not about taking a stand , it's about getting it corrected/ cleared up for all parties. 17:33 Riddell, I'm not sure I understand 17:33 Riddell: that's not how the CC operates. 17:33 Riddell, is this an immediate effect of Ubuntu trademarks? 17:34 dholbach: is what? 17:34 shadeslayer: has the trademark/ip question caused you problems with your employment? 17:34 Riddell: can you give us an example where this has stopped someone from contributing to Kubuntu. 17:34 Riddell, shadeslayer working fulltime on Kubuntu 17:34 shadeslayer has gone 17:34 I'm not quite sure I follow 17:34 he just left for his Spanish lesson 17:34 czajkowski: I refer the honourable lady to the answer I gave some moments ago 17:34 dholbach: what don't you follow? 17:34 ok, we can follow up with him via email 17:34 why not just deal with the problem rather than the symptoms? 17:35 why taking this to mail, can't this be cleared here? Riddell can exmplain 17:35 Riddell: the CC has limited ability to "just deal with the problem" 17:35 * ogra_ always thought this stanza only refers to out of archive builds ... which kubuntu definitely doesnt fall under 17:35 Riddell, you said the policy hurts kubuntu development, then you mention Rohan not working on Kubuntu fulltime any more - I was just wondering if the two were connected 17:35 mhall119: make a public statement saying it is untrue and irrelevent 17:35 Mamarok: Riddell: is shadeslayer okay with you going into detail about his employment situation? 17:35 dholbach: yes they are 17:36 ok, I'm afraid I don't understand 17:36 Riddell: the CC is not qualified to make legal statements like that, and even if we were they would have no legal authority as we do not own the IP in question 17:36 mhall119: that's irrelevent. canonical doesn't own the copyrights either. that's the whole point. 17:36 dholbach: what don't you understand? 17:36 the connections 17:36 the connection 17:37 Riddell: they are the ones making the claim, so again the CC doesn't have any standing to make claims one way or the other 17:37 dholbach: blue systems is worried that canonical will want to restrict derivates and so shadeslayer got moved to other tasks 17:37 Riddell: has Blue Systems contacted Canonical about this? 17:37 mhall119: yes it does, it is the ubuntu council, it can make a claim on ubuntu's behalf 17:37 where are derivatives restricted? 17:37 sorry - was late getting away - hi Kubuntu people 17:37 we all live in the same archive 17:37 #chair elfy 17:37 Current chairs: cprofitt czajkowski dholbach elfy mhall119 pleia2 17:37 IIRC, Mint was given a very favorable agreement to clear this up 17:37 Riddell: the CC can't control what tasks shadeslayer is moved onto. 17:38 dholbach: 17:31 < Riddell> http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/intellectual-property-policy still says "Otherwise you... will need to recompile the source code to create your own binaries." this is untrue and disrespectful to the copyright owners, who are Ubuntu's upstream communities 17:38 czajkowski: no but it can address the symptoms 17:38 mhall119: mint did not have to make an agreement at all 17:38 right, I read that the first time - I might need more detail to understand the connection between all of this 17:38 Riddell: nobody outside of their own employment can deal with that tbh let alone the CC 17:39 dholbach: if canonical claims the packages in the archive are not infact free software and are restricted in use then people will not want to work with them 17:39 czajkowski: you could deal with the reasons for it 17:40 I'm astonished that the CC doesn't understand the basics of free software or how it can be harmed by claims that our software is not Free 17:40 they are free software, no doubt about that - IANAL, but all Canonical asks for is a conversation, if you intend to use the Ubuntu trademark commercially and ship Ubuntu in a modified sense 17:40 Riddell: you're being really unfair to us (and I think you know that) 17:40 Riddell: the CC has been dealing with is, and are continuing to do so. If you are okay with us doing what we feel is best for Ubuntu we will keep doing that. But it means you'll have to accept what we end us doing. 17:40 but as Kubuntu is a derivative and lives in the same archive.......... where's the problem? 17:41 we've worked for over a year on this, more than any other topic, but our influence over Canonical is limited 17:41 Riddell: we have spent a lot of time on this and spent time raising this to the legal dept in canonical 17:41 Ubuntu is free software 17:41 what if Blue Systems wants to ship a modified version of Kubuntu? 17:41 dholbach: kubuntu is not a derivative. we do care about our derivatives and this harms them. 17:41 pleia2: so make a public statement that it is untrue 17:41 or if $random_person does for that matter 17:41 Riddell, sorry, a flavour then 17:41 this clause says that they have to recompile it all 17:42 czajkowski: so time to give up on the canonical legal dept, they have been stalling for a year, enough already 17:42 Laney: yes. that is not true and it is dangerous. 17:42 Laney: or work within the archives as Kubuntudoes 17:42 Riddell: you keep asking us to make a statement and we've already said we wont do that not until we hear from Canonical leagal on the matter 17:42 czajkowski: ok, see you in another year then. 17:42 mhall119: or not. it's their choice. that's free software. 17:43 Riddell: you're really making this harder than needs be, you'd swear the CC sit around doing nothing 17:43 we've put a lot of effort into this 17:43 and yes it hasn't been easy 17:43 czajkowski: what has changed in the last year? 17:43 nor have we gotten to the bottom of it yet 17:43 but we are at least trying 17:43 Riddell: do you want the CC do handle this, or do you want the CC to just come to a specific conclusion that you've already come to? 17:44 mayber it's the fact that we got no feedback on it so far, and the legal departement obviously doesn't want to do anything about it 17:44 mhall119: I want the CC to give up on canonical legal who are clearly not interested in fixing it and make a statement that it is untrue. 17:44 * ovidiu-florin has a question as well, please don't forget 17:44 Riddell: and if the CC doesn't agree with that statement? 17:44 Riddell: In order to make a public statement on a legal matter the CC would have to have a legal expert familiar with international law and the laws of several countries. I do not feel qualified to make any such public statement. I also would like to say that public thrashing about on the topic does not help the situation either. 17:44 cprofitt: that's just making excuses 17:45 cprofitt: doesn't affect international law, it affects the Free Software licenses IMHO, but IANAL 17:45 mhall119: than make one you do agree on, but don't let someone claim Ubuntu is not Free software 17:45 anyway this is going nowhere again, let's move on 17:45 Mamarok: how that license is applied depends to a large extent on the law in the place it is tried 17:46 Riddell: I do not see it as an excuse Riddell, but I would like to ask you to be more respectful of the people trying to sort through the issue. 17:46 This is a trademarks/IP issue and you know that Canonical has to be protective of the trademarks - that the success of Ubuntu and Canonical are connected. Kubuntu has lots of freedoms, like everyone else who works in the archive. When modified versions of *Ubuntu are still called *Ubuntu, that can be a problem. It'll be hard to get a "carte blanche" in this area. 17:46 Or are we talking about a different issue? 17:47 dholbach: it's a copyright issue 17:47 We are trying to do what is right through the channels we have. Just because I have not gotten a timely response I will not make statements I can not make in good faith. 17:47 cprofitt: ok, see you next year. 17:47 Riddell: if Blue Systems or shadeslayer have been specifically impacted by this issue, I would encourage them to talk directly to the CC also so that we can have that additional information to take to Canonical legal 17:47 I think that we should move on and see what ovidiu-florin has - we've also got the Membership Board 17:47 right 17:47 elfy: I agree 17:48 * ovidiu-florin is affraid to ask 17:48 ovidiu-florin: don't be :) 17:48 can I ask here/now about the Ubuntu community fund? 17:48 Riddell: Thanks for your understanding and patience. 17:48 ovidiu-florin, what's your question? 17:48 ovidiu-florin: you can, but we are scheduling a meeting to get more information from Canonical about it, so we may not be able to answer everything today 17:49 ovidiu-florin: we're actually looking into that currently - we have a meeting later 17:49 I'm not asking about aproval for my request 17:49 I want to ask abouot an issue that I understand from Riddell that there's a topic somewhere about this 17:49 can you be more specific? 17:50 * ovidiu-florin is typing 17:50 Why can't we apply for funds for expences that we already had? For the many cases when we can't forsee what expenses we will have? 17:50 ovidiu-florin: there is a topic that Riddell has raised. I am not sure we can call it an issue yet, but there may be one. We are researching that and discussing with the Canonical Community team. 17:51 ovidiu-florin: so that's more of a question for the Community Team, but I can answer it 17:51 You can't always predict the costs for a trip, or an event 17:51 ovidiu-florin: that is the issue that we're currently sorting out - we'll not be able to do anything now 17:51 Just estimate. 17:51 and Riddell knows that we're looking into it 17:51 we don't want people to be in a position where they just assume "oh, this'll be paid for" 17:52 and then end up having to pay because of misunderstandings or other issues 17:52 ovidiu-florin: the primary reason is because we don't want people to be out of money if we don't approve. If somebody spends money, then asks tobe paid back, but the use wasn't a valid use, we'll have to tell them know and now they are personally hurt (financially) by it 17:52 it'll also help planning and budgeting 17:52 For example, I can make a request for the travel expenses, but bu the time they get acecpted, The price of the plane ticket may have doubled. 17:52 ovidiu-florin: most of the time an estimate on your trip's cost is all we need 17:52 we've gotten much much better at responding quickly 17:52 ovidiu-florin: and we can (and do) adjust what is paid when things like ticket prices change 17:53 ok... shall we move on and have a chat with the Membership Board? 17:53 so far I've always payed for the plane ticket myself well in advance of the event, and apply for reinbursment the same day, 17:54 this way avoiding to make big expences 17:54 in the ~ 2 weeks it takes to get aproval the ticket may grow another 100€ 17:54 depends on the company and the destination 17:54 and the timeframe 17:55 ovidiu-florin: if you apply first with a rough estimate, we can at least approve it and then either pay you before you purchase, or hold off on paying you until after, we just would like to be able to say "yes this is a valid use of this money" or "No, this isn't a valid use of this money" before people commit to it 17:55 IMO there are many cases when we can show the Bill, and from previous fundings, to asume they are ok 17:55 if we can't book flights for events well in advance, I think that's just what has to happen here :/ 17:55 mhall119: you did say it's like a 10 day 2 week turn around or less rught ? 17:55 you meet every week and it's on the topic 17:55 czajkowski: typically, but not always 17:55 I think we are a bit in the weeds on this particular issue. We are looking in to the specifics to make sure there is both more transparency and that it is easier for community members to make use of the funds. We have to ensure the program is also manageable from Canonical's side as well. 17:56 ovidiu-florin: if you said "the ticket is going to be between 1000 and 1500 euro", we can work with that 17:56 It might be best to move on to the other scheduled topic though. 17:56 right, ovidiu-florin you can join #ubuntu-community-team or email us directly if you want 17:56 one more question: There seems to be no community mailing list for Ubuntu to discuss community issues. Can we make one? 17:56 https://lists.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-community-team 17:57 ^^ 17:57 dholbach: is everyone welcome and encouraged to subscribe to that? 17:57 ? 17:57 announced on ubuntu-devel 6 months ago. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2014-September/001110.html 17:57 of course 17:57 of course 17:57 -announce 17:57 ah hah 17:57 lovely 17:58 when did Ubuntu ever have mailing lists that didn't invite people? 17:58 right moving on 17:58 .... 17:58 as we're really out of time 17:58 membership board... 17:58 yes, czajkowski: thanks 17:58 Im here 17:58 :) 17:58 #topic Membership board catch up 17:58 PabloRubianes: aloha :D 17:58 Hello CC 17:58 hi PabloRubianes 17:58 czajkowski: hello 17:58 hey PabloRubianes 17:58 how are things? 17:59 hey PabloRubianes 17:59 I think that some are fine 17:59 we had no much of problems 17:59 but 17:59 how is the Membership board? did we get a couple more nominations? 17:59 we are having some issues to get people to the nominations 17:59 ok 17:59 pleia2: helped us with that 17:59 can we all take an action to each think of somebody who could nominate themselves 18:00 and then twist their arms to actually nominate themselves? :) 18:00 * mhall119 goes to poke jcastro about it again 18:00 mhall119: poke prod bribe you know the usual wiht jcastro :) 18:01 I'll just promise him a charm for something 18:01 PabloRubianes: how many do you think are still needed? or perhaps how many do you have? 18:01 14:00 < jcastro> I will do that now 18:01 \o/ 18:02 elfy I have to check as I believe many of us (not me) are expiring 18:02 I'd also like to encourage the whole CC to reach out to people they think are potential good candidates :) 18:02 PabloRubianes: 7 expire 18:02 speaking from experience, it means a lot when a sitting board/council member asks someone if they'd be willing to participate in the board 18:02 we have 6 nominies 18:02 pleia2: sure 18:02 PabloRubianes: excluding jcastro ? 18:03 yeap 18:03 on the mailing list we have 6 18:03 ok 18:04 * mhall119 can confirm pleia2's statement, that's why I'm here :) 18:05 funnily enough ... 18:05 lol 18:05 PabloRubianes: is there anything else we can do to help ? 18:06 czajkowski: I think we are OK, maybe less people came to get the membership 18:06 yea - someone mentioned that to me 18:06 comparing to a few years ago 18:06 yeah, that's been a trend we've been noticing for a couple years 18:06 PabloRubianes: I think people don't think they can go for it 18:06 not sure what can be done about it 18:06 I think community as a whole is way less activ 18:06 in the last time we pinged a couple of folks who applied for community funds 18:06 I've chatted to a few folks who are very helpful on irc on ubuntu-uk none thought they could ge tit 18:06 active* 18:07 yet spend their day on irc helping people 18:07 because we felt "they've been around for ages, they should apply" :) 18:07 based on announcements from meetings, it doesn't seem to be getting considerably worse (based on 2 years ago, definitely worse than 5 years ago) 18:07 people need to be encouraged 18:07 I'd ask eveyrone to talk to people in their community, irc, forums and talk to them about memberhsip 18:07 what it entails 18:07 offer to help with the wiki 18:07 leave a testimonial etc 18:07 so they know they can do it if encouraged 18:08 we have been pushing for memberships in our Loco 18:08 czajkowski: I think that before that we need to get new people to the community 18:08 sgclark, nice one 18:08 locos are usually good for that, because you can remind folks everytime you meet up :) 18:08 * mhall119 has been pleased to see many of our new app developer community seeking and gaining membership 18:08 i think that is the issue here, not much new people 18:08 yep 18:09 * czajkowski pokes popey go poke the ubuntu-uk team :) 18:09 mhall119: I recall some of them 18:09 wat? 18:09 we're chatting in #ubuntu-locoteams about it too now 18:11 ok... so we should probably chat tomorrow or some other time again and figure out together who else should be nominated :) 18:11 ok 18:11 dholbach: nominated? 18:12 * mhall119 proposes a small Perl script that randomly selects Ubuntu members and places them on boards without their consent 18:12 right ok anything else from membership board? 18:12 ahoneybun, should nominate themselves :) 18:12 dholbach: for what? 18:12 lol mhall119 18:12 * ahoneybun was scared to asked 18:12 ahoneybun, I was looking for a word like "voluntold" :) 18:12 XD 18:12 ahoneybun, oh sorry... we're talking about the Ubuntu Membership Board 18:12 oh ok cool 18:12 ahoneybun: you should apply for the Membership board 18:12 ahoneybun, some members are having their end of term quite soon 18:12 so we're looking for nominations 18:12 * genii gets a random email notifying him he's now on an Ubuntu board 18:13 * genii glares at mhall119 18:13 ahoneybun: we are nice people, join us :P 18:13 hehehe 18:13 mhall119: not sure if I'm up to par 18:13 * mhall119 pretty sure you are 18:13 * dholbach too :) 18:13 :) 18:13 ++ 18:13 * mhall119 is reminded to leave a testimonial for ahayzen's membership application 18:14 wow I got 3 votes already lol 18:14 lol 18:14 mhall119, ah yes, have the link again? 18:14 go ahoneybun! 18:14 4 18:14 dholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ahayzen 18:14 thanks mhall119 18:14 It's been open in a tab for days now, a silent shameful reminder that I haven't done it yet 18:14 * ahoneybun will leave a tesimonial as well 18:14 so... if you're interested, here's http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2015/03/15/ubuntu-membership-board-call-for-nominations-extended/ 18:14 do we have anything else we need to talk about? 18:14 * mhall119 has nothing 18:15 Thanks for your time 18:15 PabloRubianes, anything else from the Membership boards? 18:15 PabloRubianes, anything we should look into? 18:15 and help looking of people to join! 18:15 mhall119, we should talk about the membership board in the next Q&A 18:15 :) 18:15 dholbach: no, is ok! 18:15 +1 18:15 * dholbach hugs PabloRubianes 18:15 * ahoneybun trys to apply for membershit 18:15 *ship 18:15 darn 18:15 lol 18:15 thanks PabloRubianes 18:16 HAHAH 18:16 what a typo :) 18:16 lol, well now you've lost it 18:16 ok - so if there's nothing else from Membership Board? 18:16 #topic AOB 18:16 anything else folks 18:16 did you get my email about voting rules? 18:16 haha 18:16 Laney: yes we did 18:16 Laney: we did Scott did reply 18:17 he is the man of the voting 18:17 yes, but I didn't get around to replying yet 18:17 not to me 18:17 I did it again when typing the email lol 18:17 lemmie go and poke him 18:17 czajkowski: discussion has just be in the CC so far 18:17 it's not a secret 18:17 * mhall119 replied 18:17 would appreciate devel-permissions being kept in the thread 18:17 Laney: indeed, I didn't realize we hadn't kept you in the loop, sorry 18:17 someone should go bounce the emails 18:17 * pleia2 just noticed now 18:17 all right... I've got to run now 18:18 have a great rest of your day - thanks everyone! 18:18 bye dholbach 18:18 22:00 is... 18:18 #endmeeting