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17:02 <elfy> #chair mhall119 dholbach pleia2
17:02 <meetingology> Current chairs: dholbach elfy mhall119 pleia2
17:02 <mdeslaur> hello
17:03 <elfy> #topic Community Council catch up with the Technical Board
17:03 <dholbach> hey mdeslaur
17:03 <dholbach> do we have anyone else from the TB here?
17:04 <dholbach> mdeslaur, how are you doing? how are things on the TB?
17:04 <mdeslaur> I'm doing great!
17:04 <mdeslaur> Nothing much happening with the TB...nobody's coming up with anything controversial :P
17:04 <dholbach> really=?
17:04 <dholbach> I was now hoping to hear the newest from you :)
17:05 <mhall119> o/
17:05 <mdeslaur> most of what we're doing is microrelease exceptions
17:05 <dholbach> or I would've thought that cloud, phone, snappy and everything else would keep the TB busy :)
17:06 <dholbach> so it's not like the TB members are collapsing under the load of work items?
17:06 <dholbach> TB work items
17:07 <mdeslaur> hehe, no, not at all :)
17:07 <mdeslaur> all that stuff is being done in the archive with the well established procedures...nothing much to discuss there
17:07 <dholbach> I'm just going through the backlog on the mailing list... is that were most of the discussion is happening?
17:07 <mdeslaur> dholbach: yes
17:08 <mhall119> mdeslaur: I know some flavors were concerned about things like Qt landings and balancing the needs of Unity 8 and KDE, how is that being managed?
17:08 <mdeslaur> mhall119: nobody has brought that to the attention of the tech board
17:09 <mdeslaur> if there are difficulties there, by all means, bring it up on the list
17:09 <dholbach> mhall119, that's my main take-away from this meeting: encourage others to create work items for the TB
17:09 <mhall119> mdeslaur: I think it's more coordination concerns than difficulties
17:09 <dholbach> that's what I'm going to do from now on :)
17:09 <elfy> I know that Xubuntu have just been caught with QT5 in 14.04.2
17:10 <elfy> suddenly there's a whole bunch of stuff we weren't expecting to see in our images
17:10 <mhall119> what is Xubuntu doing with Qt5?
17:10 <elfy> indeed
17:10 <dholbach> mdeslaur, would you think that the TB could be a good group to help coordinate landing like this?
17:11 <mdeslaur> elfy: oh? what caused that?
17:11 <elfy> mdeslaur: not sure yet - we don't want unity-greeter either :)
17:11 <dholbach> ah, so maybe a depends/recommends change?
17:11 <elfy> I assume so
17:11 <mdeslaur> dholbach: if there are disageements or concerns about the best way to process, definitely
17:11 <mdeslaur> s/process/proceed/
17:12 * dholbach nods
17:14 <dholbach> this is just a personal question from my own interest: after having noticed a couple of issues recently, I started a conversation with teams who ask users to use PPAs (which in a lot of cases is just fine) - do you think the TB would also be a good place to discuss this to see if we can improve some processes/tools/rules?
17:15 <dholbach> apart from that I'm happy and don't have more questions - it's good if there's little work for the TB, because it also means that nobody's blocking on the TB :)
17:16 <mdeslaur> dholbach: sure, feel free to bring it up on the list
17:16 <mdeslaur> dholbach: well, we have little work currently, but that doesn't mean we won't get stuff to look at in the near future
17:16 <pleia2> mdeslaur: do you have any concerns about how quiet things have been for the TB?
17:17 <dholbach> mdeslaur, is there anything where you feel the CC could help out - or any questions you have for us?
17:17 <mdeslaur> pleia2: not at all, it means things are working well :)
17:17 <pleia2> great
17:18 <dholbach> elfy, mhall119: do you have any more questions for mdeslaur? :)
17:18 <mdeslaur> dholbach: I can't think of anything at the moment, but we won't hesitate to speak up if we do think of something
17:18 <elfy> nope - I'm happy if he is
17:18 <dholbach> haha :)
17:18 <mdeslaur> again, please don't hesitate to bring stuff up on the tech board list
17:18 <elfy> I don't actually know where that is
17:19 <elfy> nor can I find it :)
17:19 <dholbach> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
17:19 <mdeslaur> ah, dholbach is faster than me :)
17:19 <elfy> ty dholbach :)
17:19 <dholbach> mdeslaur = source of elfy's happiness
17:19 <dholbach> brilliant
17:19 <mdeslaur> hehe
17:19 <elfy> heh
17:20 <elfy> I'll come back next time as hobgoblin - see how you get on then
17:20 <dholbach> thanks a lot mdeslaur for making time and thanks for your overall brilliant work :)
17:20 <mdeslaur> thanks for inviting me!
17:20 <elfy> yep - thanks mdeslaur
17:21 <dholbach> who do we have here from the LoCo Council?
17:21 <dholbach> I saw nhaines
17:21 <elfy> was he here?
17:21 <elfy> :)
17:21 <nhaines> Who told you?!
17:22 <dholbach> let me know when you're done with peekaboo :)
17:22 <czajkowski> heh
17:22 <dholbach> hey czajkowski
17:22 <czajkowski> ello
17:22 <czajkowski> sorry for the delay meetings ran over
17:22 <elfy> #topic Community Council catch up with the LoCo Council
17:22 <dholbach> anyone else from the LC?
17:22 <PabloRubianes> Here!
17:22 <dholbach> hey hey PabloRubianes
17:22 <PabloRubianes> hello
17:22 <pleia2> hey PabloRubianes and nhaines
17:23 <elfy> hi PabloRubianes
17:23 <dholbach> how are things - how are you all doing?
17:23 <jose> hello!
17:23 <czajkowski> PabloRubianes: jose nhaines aloha
17:23 <elfy> hi jose
17:23 <nhaines> Well, I'm pretty new, but so far things are going pretty smoothly.
17:23 <PabloRubianes> after the restaffing I think we are better
17:23 <elfy> that's good PabloRubianes
17:24 <dholbach> that's good to hear - how is the general level of craziness? are you very busy right now in the LC?
17:24 <elfy> PabloRubianes: though it's going to start pretty soon again for you all :)
17:24 <jose> believe it or not, we aren't that much busy. we've got a couple reverification cases open
17:24 <jose> the global jam hasn't brought us crazy, which is good
17:25 <dholbach> how were the preparations going for UGJ?
17:25 <jose> the meetings we had with you and the on-air session went good, I got to email my part of the world
17:25 <jose> but didn't get a single reply
17:25 <nhaines> I didn't get a reply from my mailing either.
17:26 <nhaines> On the other hand, the number of registered sessions did go up.
17:26 <dholbach> did you mail people or mailing lists?
17:26 <nhaines> I emailed only people.
17:26 <jose> I emailed people (as per my understanding on the draft)
17:26 * dholbach nods
17:26 <dholbach> Bhavani did both, I think :)
17:26 <PabloRubianes> the thing is some loco admins are gone
17:27 <PabloRubianes> we come up with this last year when we contact all LoCos
17:27 <nhaines> Yeah, I'd like to see about doing some housekeeping and getting a better pulse on the health of our LoCos.
17:27 <jose> we tried to do some housekeeping last year, but it didn't go that well... several teams didn't reply
17:28 <jose> we got hit by launchpad limits, it was a bit of a mess, but we got through it
17:28 <dholbach> do you think it could work to mail the mailing lists and explain that you, as the LoCo Council would be happy to help out, if there's questions to get the team back up and running, ie get new folks in the driving seat
17:28 <nhaines> jose: I'll go through the archives then.
17:28 <dholbach> like in cases, where we know nobody of the contacts/admins replied in ages
17:28 <jose> I guess that could work, but we'd have to do another census
17:29 <jose> also, I believe the problem with teams and subteams is solved by now
17:29 <nhaines> I think that would be a good idea, though.  When we have team that are abandoned, it can discourage newcomers from joining in.
17:29 <dholbach> now we just need more events and more activity :)
17:30 <czajkowski> jose: great stuff
17:31 <jose> he haven't been hit by 'major stuff' that I can think of, or did we?
17:31 <nhaines> Not since the subteams thing.
17:31 <PabloRubianes> jose: no
17:31 <PabloRubianes> that was really mayor
17:31 <elfy> well I for one am glad that's done and dusted
17:31 <nhaines> elfy: +1
17:31 <PabloRubianes> elfy: +100000000000
17:32 <jose> even though we got back hit by some stuff, +1.
17:32 <PabloRubianes> also we could try to finaly get LoCo Summit done for next circle maybe
17:32 <elfy> jose: maybe so - but it was something that's probably really needed to be dealt with for a long time
17:32 <dholbach> apart from the teams which never got back to you, do you have good feeling of who the really active LoCos are?
17:32 <jose> yep!
17:33 <jose> eh, we would need to set some criterias
17:33 <jose> but I believe the ones that post in the planet are quite active
17:33 <dholbach> ah yes, maybe - but I was thinking more of gut feeling
17:33 <elfy> dholbach: that's probably going to be more useful
17:33 <dholbach> I was just wondering if those people get together across loco teams every now and then
17:33 <PabloRubianes> dholbach:I don't see the excitement that used to be arround ubuntu
17:34 <dholbach> too discuss ideas, plans, events and stuff they're doing
17:34 <jose> I believe there was a peak of activity a couple cycles ago, and it's been decreasing since. the excitement is definitely not the same since it's 'something usual' now
17:35 <dholbach> PabloRubianes, I think I know what you mean... for a lot of people "Ubuntu is working well" and "Ubuntu has been around for a while"
17:35 <jose> +1
17:35 <dholbach> although a lot of great stuff is happening
17:35 <dholbach> like who would've thought 10 years ago there'd be an Ubuntu phone :)
17:35 <PabloRubianes> dholbach:also "it just works"
17:35 <nhaines> It's a bit hard to shake that.  The phone and tablet stuff might've helped, but it's been 3 years with no products, and convergence is another 2 years away.
17:35 <dholbach> or "Ubuntu on your fridge" would become a possibility :)
17:35 <popey> \o/ Toasters
17:35 <elfy> re UJG https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/Events - the events links to 2012 ...
17:36 <elfy> popey: lol
17:36 <jose> elfy: we use the ltp for that now
17:36 <nhaines> So hopefully we'll start to see excitement pick up as products start hitting the shelves so to speak.  :)
17:36 <jose> popey: you promised a toaster! give me one!
17:36 <PabloRubianes> dholbach: also apart from the phone, the desktop looks stuck that get people off
17:36 <jose> oh, the general link
17:36 <elfy> jose: mmm - was the first thing I found when searching just now
17:36 <PabloRubianes> I see that in my LoCo
17:36 <popey> jose: it needs to beat this to be a toaster I want :) http://www.dualit.com/products/toasters-kettles
17:37 <dholbach> nhaines, yeah - I agree - maybe for that it'd help to bring people from active LoCos together to discuss stuff they're doing and share that
17:37 <nhaines> dholbach: that might work.  A lot of people want LoCos to be Ubuntu User Groups and well... they're not.  :)
17:37 <dholbach> PabloRubianes, the desktop and unity team work very hard on bringing unity8 to desktops, but yes - people get to feel that a lot of resources were focused on the phone :)
17:37 <nhaines> So refocusing on advocacy might be nice.  vivid looks like a nice, boring, awesome release that could be fun to promote!
17:37 <jose> problem with the phone, for example, is that it took a bit to get to the market. and now it's limited to some markets
17:38 <dholbach> nhaines, I, personally, wouldn't let myself get disturbed by that - as long as there are local Ubuntu groups doing good stuff :)
17:38 <mhall119> sorry, sudden grandmother visit, had to step away for a few
17:38 <mhall119> but I'm back now
17:38 <elfy> :)
17:38 <dholbach> jose, sure, but that'll change :)
17:38 <jose> e.g., people in Peru were excited about buying one two years ago, but now that one's been released and they can't buy it they feel a bit discouraged
17:38 <jose> let's hope so.
17:38 <jose> the time between one point and another one made the excitement fade away
17:39 <nhaines> dholbach: oh, I think they should be advocacy groups primarily.  :)  Although perhaps user groups might be something worth expanding to.
17:39 <jose> now, there's something that does worry me around the LC
17:39 <PabloRubianes> dholbach: yes I hope Unity8 bring excitement with it
17:39 <elfy> jose: what's that ?
17:40 <dholbach> how partners and mobile companies respond to the phone is one thing, but I still think we can do more in terms of helping local teams do good stuff :)
17:40 <jose> so, we have two members that are MIA. One of them just replies to emails occasionally and is always travelling, and the other one is just MIA, though he posts to facebook and G+, no email replies on his side.
17:41 <pleia2> how long have they been MIA?
17:41 <jose> I'd like to discuss the second case privately, but it's something that's hitting us. with the restaffing we're moving better, but we've still got MIA people
17:41 <jose> pleia2: since last year? probably november
17:41 <czajkowski> jose: feel free to drop us an email
17:41 <jose> before the subteams issue
17:41 <pleia2> I know we talked about this a few months ago, but a couple folks piped up to say they'd just been busy
17:41 * pleia2 nods
17:42 * elfy does too
17:42 <dholbach> yeah, I think we can deal with that together and find a solution
17:42 <czajkowski> +1
17:42 <mhall119> IIRC, one or both of them are due to expire this spring anyway, is that correct?
17:42 * jose checks
17:42 <jose> one of them is about to expire, in like a couple months
17:42 <czajkowski> it's ok we can take it to the mailing list
17:43 <jose> and the other one is set to expire by the end of the year, with my term
17:43 <jose> yep, I'd prefer that.
17:43 <pleia2> ok
17:43 <PabloRubianes> I am expiring in spring/autumn
17:43 <elfy> 2 expire in April
17:43 <dholbach> I think we have a list of upcoming restaffing activities, but if you want to be sure, drop us a mail
17:43 <elfy> 3 in October
17:45 <dholbach> so yeah, I want to say again, that I was very happy with the public planning hangout - maybe we can do that again for the next set of activities or crazy ideas - and invite the active teams along
17:45 <dholbach> what excites me personally is reports like from the Myanmar or Mauritius team who post lots of pictures, etc :)
17:45 <jose> definitely! but always bare in mind that we have a 10 people hard limit on Hangouts
17:45 <dholbach> right
17:46 <nhaines> dholbach: the hangout was fun and I'd love to do it again.  :)
17:46 <dholbach> +1
17:46 <nhaines> If we can get enough people in IRC then someone can just read from IRC.
17:46 <dholbach> sure, that'd work too
17:47 <elfy> can someone join the hangout and just be not on camera and able to comment in the hangout chat only
17:47 <elfy> and NOT count in the 10?
17:47 <dholbach> I don't think so
17:48 <jose> nope
17:48 <elfy> ok
17:48 <jose> 10 people, whether they speak or not
17:48 <nhaines> Sounds like a job for unholy combinations of Mumble and Hangouts.  :)
17:48 <dholbach> but maybe there could also be some discussion on the list and then smaller teams hangout and talk about subsets of topics?
17:48 <dholbach> sorry, I feel like my obsession with cross-pollination is taking up the meeting :)
17:49 <pleia2> hah
17:49 <nhaines> Collaboration drives good things.  :)
17:49 <dholbach> so let's see if they can do something in this regard in this cycle
17:49 <dholbach> I'm happy to help where I can, and I'm sure that's true for the rest of the CC as well :)
17:49 <elfy> of course
17:50 <jose> thanks :)
17:50 <dholbach> brilliant :)
17:50 <dholbach> does anyone else have any questions? do you have questions for the CC?
17:51 <elfy> I've nothing for the LC
17:51 <nhaines> No, for the very short amount of time I've been on the LC, I've been very happy to see that you're there if we need you.  :)
17:51 <pleia2> thanks jose, PabloRubianes and nhaines :)
17:51 <PabloRubianes> thanks people!
17:51 <nhaines> Thanks for checking in with us.  :)
17:51 <dholbach> rock and roll!
17:51 <elfy> thanks PabloRubianes jose nhaines
17:52 <dholbach> thanks a lot :)
17:52 <jose> always a pleasure to have a chat with you guys :)
17:52 <jose> thanks for the continuous support!
17:52 <nhaines> +1
17:52 <elfy> that's nice to know jose :)
17:52 <mhall119> thanks to all the LC
17:54 <pleia2> #topic Any other business
17:54 <pleia2> we've had 2 of the 7 CC interviews published now
17:54 <elfy> \o/
17:54 <pleia2> dholbach, czajkowski, mhall119 - I still need yours :)
17:54 <mhall119> I know :(
17:55 <dholbach> yes, same here :)
17:55 <pleia2> I'll try to track down YokoZar too, I fear he's been eaten by first-year-at-employer
17:55 <elfy> you can get away with almost anything in them :)
17:55 <pleia2> lol
17:55 <elfy> pleia2: ha ha
17:56 <czajkowski> pleia2: I've added it to my calendar for tomorrow
17:56 <czajkowski> block booked an hour
17:56 <czajkowski> its the only way
17:56 <czajkowski> :)
17:56 <elfy> :)
17:56 <pleia2> hehe
17:56 <pleia2> thanks
17:56 * dholbach hugs pleia2
17:56 <dholbach> thanks a lot for taking care of that :)
17:57 <nhaines> Yeah, they're fascinating to read.
17:58 <pleia2> glad to hear it
17:58 <pleia2> that's all I had :)
17:58 <dholbach> I'm alls set now too
17:58 <elfy> nothing here
17:59 <elfy> #endmeeting