17:01 #startmeeting Community Council 17:01 Meeting started Thu Jan 15 17:01:15 2015 UTC. The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 17:01 17:01 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 17:01 #chair czajkowski 17:01 Current chairs: czajkowski pleia2 17:02 Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda 17:02 today we're hoping to do a catchup with the Xubuntu team and Ubuntu Studio 17:02 anyone from either of those teams about? :) 17:04 you and me probably ... 17:04 * pleia2 nods 17:04 we never got a reply from the studio folks when you told them about this meeting 17:05 nope 17:05 o/ 17:05 sorry, another meeting took a bit longer than expected 17:06 dholbach: np 17:06 #chair dholbach elfy 17:06 Current chairs: czajkowski dholbach elfy pleia2 17:06 #topic Xubuntu catch up 17:06 * pleia2 switches to Xubuntu hat 17:06 pleia2: so how are things in the land of Xubuntu ? 17:07 manual testing continues to be a challenge volunteer-wise, but in general things look pretty healthy 17:07 are there many changes planned in this cycle? 17:07 are lots of things happening upstream right now? 17:08 nothing major, elfy? 17:08 * dholbach hasn't really followed xfce development in the last time 17:09 nothing major afaik 17:10 ok... I just wasn't sure if there were any big things which needed integration - like new stuff in gtk or whatever or new features 17:10 our new features blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-v-features 17:10 pretty standard set of changes for us 17:10 pleia2: what are the challenges that ye face? 17:10 dholbach: the gtk update I believe we dealt with pretty much 17:10 we were worried about systemd early on, but that's not happening this cycle so :) 17:11 well it is - but later :) 17:11 and a trello board 17:11 you look well organised! :) 17:11 +1 17:11 czajkowski: aside from lack of volunteers for some of the day to day stuff like testing, none really 17:11 dholbach: trello - tried that for a cycle - not using it now 17:11 I use it for qa is all 17:11 ah ok... it was mentioned on the blueprint 17:11 yeah, we're back to just blueprints 17:12 pleia2: ack. getting volunteers across the board does seeem to be an issue a lot of teams face 17:12 dholbach: oh - that was just a specific board for a specific issue 17:12 I see 17:12 I'm hosting a QA jam for Xubuntu next month, hopefully drum up some local contributors 17:13 we do the community Q&A sessions every week - I was just wondering if anyone of you could join us and maybe show off some of the work you've been doing or talk about what where help's required 17:14 I can pass along the request to the team 17:14 maybe some kind of hangout before UGJ might help as well to get more testers signed up 17:14 that'd be great 17:14 we're always happy to have people to talk to in there 17:15 every minute interviewing somebody in the hangout is a minute less where somebody asks "is the phone out yet?" :-) 17:15 hehe 17:15 ha ha ha 17:15 excellent... so yeah... I will try to start another conversation about UGJ again 17:16 great 17:16 it'd be great if we invited some more testers there again 17:16 balloons, ^ more testers! :-P 17:16 pleia2, I saw, good luck and let me know if you need anything. You're a pro at this now :-) 17:17 that's be nice - though what we tend to fight most against (at least I do) is the fact that half the time people can't even get a usb to work properly without random hacks to boot them :( 17:17 balloons: thanks, will do :) 17:17 how did the general coordination with the desktop team go? 17:17 were there any problems wrt gkt/gnome bits and so on? 17:18 I don't know 17:18 * elfy neither 17:19 I *think* that in general we get help most of the time when we drop by 17:19 ok... just thought I'd bring it up -- I think it's been a while since Ubuntu's and Xubuntu's desktop goals resulted in technical conflict situations 17:19 but ochosi would be the one to answer that 17:19 ok 17:20 how do you get most feedback from Xubuntu users? 17:20 * mhall119 is here now 17:20 mhall119, hey hey 17:21 social media 17:21 dholbach: across the support board mostly - some social stuff - pleia2 would know more of that 17:21 we're putting together a poll this cycle to ask more specific questions about the users and their usage 17:21 the user list and #xubuntu usually allow us to collect pain points, most of the devs chip in for support at least on IRC 17:22 s/list/mailing list 17:23 that sounds great - having a good feedback loop should help a lot in improving Xubuntu, and bringing users close enough to the team to get them to help out eventually :) 17:23 dholbach: we can but hope so 17:24 certainly from my point of view - it's gone backwards 17:24 backwards in which way? 17:24 the reviews for this past release have been pretty glowing http://xubuntu.org/press/ 17:24 holbach: testing, lack of :) 17:24 so folks writing distro reviews think improvements are being made :) 17:24 :-D 17:24 elfy, ok 17:25 yeah, testing, no fun when elfy ends up doing most of it as QA lead :\ 17:25 right 17:25 maybe, when you do the poll, you could also ask people how they found out about the poll - maybe that'd help to figure out which channels they use and where you could get in touch more? 17:26 elfy: why do you think people don't get involved? 17:26 really have no idea czajkowski 17:26 is there an incentive to get involved? 17:26 like making a fuss of their work 17:26 or a blog post 17:27 it's tedious, and making usb sticks is hard and there aren't great instructions that work universally 17:27 the lts effort was really really good - last cycle was quiet - expected, this cycle is unfortunately worse 17:27 a reason for people to feel like they are contributing 17:27 pleia2: aye 17:27 elfy notes all contributors in his announcements 17:27 that's really really nice 17:27 we do blog posts, emails directly to all the testing members and to -devel list 17:27 wow 17:27 this cycle we're giving out stickers to some of our top testers 17:27 if we get that sorted 17:27 share on social media too 17:28 that's just sat around gathering dust for months now though - not blaming anyone though :) 17:28 a lot of the docs still tell folks to use testdrive too, which is just virtualized testing and not everything we need (I haven't used testdrive in a while and not even sure it works?) 17:29 maybe we should have a discussion about this on ubuntu-devel@ or something? 17:29 to figure out what we can recommend 17:29 and make sure that it works 17:29 perhaps 17:30 I gave up trying to collate what worked where and with which version 17:30 there's a bug for a lot of it - try and find it 17:30 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/1325801 17:30 Launchpad bug 1325801 in usb-creator (Ubuntu Utopic) "failed to boot from USB disk with error: gfxboot.c32: not a COM32R Image boot:" [Critical,Triaged] 17:31 yeah, I'm subscribed to that one :) 17:31 then some people use unetbootin - that has issues 17:31 dholbach: :) 17:31 even had dd failing to work 17:31 but yeah... I think it'd help to try to get everyone's attention and point them at the problem, so we can figure this out together 17:31 and dd only works if your usb stick isn't that awful cheapo one you picked up at a conference ;) 17:31 I'm sure you're not the only ones wondering about what to recommend 17:32 even then, dd is hard on usb sticks 17:32 most weren't meant for such aggressive writing 17:32 * dholbach nods 17:32 I did a clean install the other day with usb-creator - still the same bug, creating vivid stick from within vivid 17:33 I can take notes about pain points during the global jam in a few weeks 17:33 might be useful to get some direction from the Community QA guy with this usb issue - whoever that is :p 17:34 *cough* 17:34 right, I pinged him about it 17:34 he hates me :p 17:34 all right... mhall119, czajkowski: any more questions from you while we have the xubuntu folks here? :) 17:34 I always ask awkward things :) 17:35 elfy, I don't believe you :) 17:35 he he he 17:35 I'm super happy with what you have done, especially when I heard how you invite people into the Xubuntu community 17:35 that's just great :) 17:36 yea - agreed :) 17:36 I'm all done with questions :) 17:36 I've got none for me either :) 17:36 :) 17:36 have we heard from any ubuntu studio folks? 17:36 no 17:37 does anyone have any other subjects you wanted to discuss? 17:37 #topic Any other business 17:38 shout out to ian-weisser and those involved with http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/find-a-task 17:38 yeah \o/ 17:38 woohoo *\o/* 17:38 yes, great work :) 17:38 lovely to see something come of the discussions on the community mailing lists 17:38 nice to see something come out of the flurry of discussion on the community team list in Nov-Dec 17:38 elfy: great minds! 17:38 :) 17:38 :-) 17:39 he made a thread on the forum re that - I copied it and stuck those 17:39 cool 17:40 I guess we should try and kick start some of that pre-xmas stuff now the hols are well and truly done with 17:40 yeah, now we can make find-a-task more prominent on the page and we should be good :) 17:40 what's wrong with the CSS on http://packaging.ubuntu.com/ ? 17:40 * Laney just found-a-tasked his way to that :-) 17:40 :) 17:40 urgh 17:41 it was OK this morning... or the day before 17:41 it's linking to non-existing files 17:41 http://developer.ubuntu.com/wp-content/themes/wordpress-theme-ubuntudeveloper/css/* 17:41 ahaaaaaaaa! 17:41 all right 17:41 we need to fix that 17:42 reminds me, who do we nudge about loco.ubuntu.com's planet-like feed being stuck in december? 17:42 hasn't updated in a few weeks 17:42 pleia2, mhall119 or daker would know 17:42 Laney, I can look into it tomorrow unless somebody beats me to it 17:42 thanks 17:42 while somebody is working on packaging.*, there are two invalid links 17:42
  • 17:43 add a space before class="..." 17:43 knome, noted down 17:43 it'd be nice if we could get packaging.u.c closer to how developer.u.c is laid out now 17:44 much nicer to read 17:44 hard to say what the difference is with the css files being nonexistant :) 17:44 like if you look at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/building-your-first-qml-app/ for example 17:44 knome, sure :) 17:45 anyway... not subject of this meeting - thanks in any case for pointing out what's broken 17:45 dholbach, if there are small things and canonical design/IS says it's outside their scope, you can generally try to ping me to see if i can help 17:45 knome, that'd be great - what happened in the case of packaging.u.c was that it relied on CSS of developer.u.c when it was still a wordpress site 17:45 that changed a couple of days ago :) 17:46 dholbach, yep, looks like it 17:46 I'll file a bug 17:46 dholbach, maybe the files are safe somewhere though, and can be put back at least temporarily 17:46 for me that's going to be tomorrow morning, I will need to run in a few 17:48 filed bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-packaging-guide/+bug/1411349 for now 17:48 Launchpad bug 1411349 in Ubuntu Packaging Guide "CSS broken" [Undecided,New] 17:48 ok... anything else? 17:48 not from me 17:48 if not, let's wrap up this meeting :) 17:48 I'm all set 17:48 pleia2, czajkowski, mhall119? anyone else? 17:48 all done 17:49 not from me 17:49 brilliant 17:49 thanks a lot everyone! 17:49 and have a great rest of your day! 17:49 #endmeeting