== Meeting information == * #ubuntu-meeting Meeting, 19 Dec at 17:05 — 17:51 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-12-19-17.05.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Check-in with the Developer Membership Board === The discussion about "Check-in with the Developer Membership Board" started at 17:06. * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda * ''LINK:'' http://behindthecircle.org/ * ''ACTION:'' pleia2 to follow up with behindthecircle.org status === Any other business === The discussion about "Any other business" started at 17:42. == Vote results == == Action items == * pleia2 to follow up with behindthecircle.org status == Action items, by person == * pleia2 * pleia2 to follow up with behindthecircle.org status == People present (lines said) == * Laney (72) * dholbach (55) * mhall119 (13) * pleia2 (12) * meetingology (5) * cprofitt (3) * xnox (2) == Full Log == 17:05 #startmeeting 17:05 Meeting started Thu Dec 19 17:05:53 2013 UTC. The chair is dholbach. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 17:05 17:05 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 17:06 #chair mhall119 cprofitt 17:06 Current chairs: cprofitt dholbach mhall119 17:06 hello everybody 17:06 #topic Check-in with the Developer Membership Board 17:06 do we have anyone from the DMB here? 17:07 ScottK, bdrung_, laney, micahg, tumbleweed, stgraber: anyone of you guys around? 17:07 I emailed them, but it was moderated, and the list owner was the TB, who didn't exist 17:08 I moderated it. 17:08 hey laney 17:08 hello everyone 17:08 hello 17:08 how are things? 17:08 how has the last cycle been for the DMB? 17:09 depends how much you like autopilot 17:09 hmm, I think it's been much on the level 17:09 we've had some new people but not been overly busy 17:09 the TB approved the PPU change that we talked about before 17:09 excellent 17:09 didn't you have any other changes up your sleeves, like making it easier for Debian developers too? 17:10 or are we at the "it's as easy as it gets" point already? :) 17:10 we did some of that 17:10 have used it a couple of times already 17:11 probably need some more experience to know where it could be made easier 17:11 did you get any feedback? or was it straight enough for people who are not in the Ubuntu project too much yet? 17:12 currently you have to have attended a DMB interview once before 17:12 so it's not /that/ simple 17:12 I guess somehow that could be relaxed, but we suck at doing email applications 17:12 do two DMB interviews or first somebody else's interview? (I'm not sure I understand... :-)) 17:12 one 17:12 then you just email to get more stuff 17:13 ah ok 17:14 one thing we talked about in the past was that the DAT and DMB work more closely together, but the DAT has gone through a bit of a hard time recently because many of its members got quite busy (me included) - so I wanted to ask: do you feel people who should apply (because they're experienced enough) do it? 17:15 yeah generally people do if they've managed to get that far 17:15 and I'm just interested in your gut feeling - it's a bit hard to maintain an overview over all people who contribute through the cycles 17:15 probably getting people to that stage is the part that suffers 17:15 I'll take an action to bring this up with the DAT again 17:15 but we get people coming through like ginggs and mitya57 recently 17:16 and I expect Noskcaj and darkxst soon 17:16 ... which is excellent :) 17:17 do you feel there are Debian developers who would apply for upload rights if they knew more about the possibility? 17:17 ummmmmmmmm, that's hard to say 17:17 like, do you see Debian developers constantly filing sync requests for their packages, etc 17:18 not really, but I think someone would notice and poke them to apply if that happened 17:18 pocock is one in that situation, who we're being bad at processing because it's going over email 17:18 do you see Debian developers surprised to learn they can apply? 17:18 laney: is it the roundtrips that take too long? 17:19 it's just something that gets put off 17:19 because there's no fixed time for it 17:20 you know how these things are 17:20 I mark mails as unread if I didn't reply to them yet............... 17:20 sorry, probably not the most useful suggestion :) 17:20 haha 17:20 email still sucks as a TODO list manager 17:20 still, it feels possible to me to get it done somehow :) 17:20 everyone knows they have to just DO IT but it still doesn't always work 17:21 doing it live on IRC is much better for everyone 17:21 mhall119: not really 17:21 sure 17:21 but I don't think the fast path processes are very well advertised 17:21 what the MC did (ages ago) was sort of like a private stand-up meeting where we went through our TODO 17:21 it sounds to me like something like this would probably just take 5-10 minutes for the DMB 17:22 hmm 17:22 I dunno, we aren't very good at exerting social pressure on each other 17:22 there must be a way to make it a bit more painful to admit that something still hasn't gotten done :) 17:22 like the PPU team reorganisation has gone on for weeks already 17:24 does the DMB have regular meetings? 17:24 there's a named person assigned to it, it gets brought up at every meeting as it's on the agenda, yet somehow ... 17:24 sure, every two weeks 17:24 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda 17:24 so it's brought up, and everybody knows who's supposed to do it, but it just doesn't happen? 17:24 pretty much 17:24 how do you deal with that? 17:25 big stick? 17:25 not sure what stick we have available 17:25 is there a list right now of people that need to be contacted? 17:26 other than getting them removed from the board 17:26 some boards have taken to have a secretary who makes sure the administrative stuff is followed through on 17:26 and the CC uses a trello board so we don't lose track of tasks 17:26 there's just one person 17:26 I really don't think keeping track is the problem 17:26 fair enough 17:26 It's just lack of urgency 17:27 why is there a lack of urgency? 17:27 cprofitt, I guess it's all busy people 17:27 Laney: you said there's a named person assigned to every applicant? 17:27 nein, applicants are handled by everyone 17:27 this is for other things 17:28 so when you say "there's a named person assigned to it", what is the "it"? 17:28 other action items, such as restructuring PPU teams that we have ongoing atm 17:28 previously it was a project to gather descriptions for packagesets 17:29 so that we could more easily extend them 17:29 eventually we dropped that one because it went on so long 17:29 Laney: so there aren't currently any of these things that need to be taken care of? 17:29 sure there is, I just said one :-) 17:29 restructing PPU teams? 17:30 and I'm the one who was supposed to start pocock's application but haven't done it yet 17:30 was waiting for some endorsements but it looks like they came in now 17:30 so maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see a list of these and who's assigned to them 17:30 it was a project we worked on in consultation with the previous CC 17:30 on the agenda page 17:31 umm, it's listed as an action point on the agenda 17:31 It's true that we should have starting the application there, let me add that 17:32 there we go 17:33 Laney: the CC has used Trello to track and assign items... not sure if something like that could help with some of the items 17:34 cprofitt: mentioned that :) 17:34 Yeah 17:34 It might help in that it breaks down the tasks I guess 17:34 I think if the DMB uses the Wiki that should work as well - you'll always have to have somebody looking at the list again to see what's still in TODO and DOING :) 17:35 it's only tracked in the agenda, which means that we come back to things every two weeks 17:35 the idea is that people feel shame if they haven't done their work 17:35 doesn't work so well :-( 17:35 laney: maybe somebody could send a reminder between the two meetings 17:36 yeah maybe 17:36 I'll try that 17:36 awesome 17:36 apart from that you feel everything's working out fine? 17:37 I think everything's on the same level as it was last time we had this kind of meeting ... 17:37 ok :) 17:38 does anyone else have any more questions for the DMB? 17:38 laney: anything else you wanted to bring up or the CC could help with? 17:38 dholbach: what do they really want for Christmas? 17:38 =) 17:38 rainbow unicorns just like everyone else :) 17:39 I'm good, was nice to see anoither motu approved the other day :) 17:39 moar motus 17:39 thanks for joining us, Laney 17:39 hey, I remember back in the day there used to be "behind MOTU" interviews, would be nice to have those again 17:40 yeah 17:40 Maia and Nigel took it over and even set up a domain for it 17:41 at least that's how I remember it 17:41 but yeah, that'd be great to have again for sure 17:41 http://behindthecircle.org/ 17:41 ah yes 17:41 I can follow up with them 17:41 <3 17:41 aww, look at bdrung_'s little smiling face 17:41 #action pleia2 to follow up with behindthecircle.org status 17:41 * meetingology pleia2 to follow up with behindthecircle.org status 17:42 thanks! 17:42 laney: I have to meet up with him again - I'm sure he's still smiling exactly like this :) 17:42 all right, thanks a lot laney! 17:42 #topic Any other business 17:42 does anyone have any other business to discuss? 17:43 there's at least nothing on the agenda page 17:46 the list of candidates for the TB - how were they selected? I didn't see any call; was it done in private? 17:46 laney: I don't know where it was, but wasn't there a call for nominations? 17:47 if there was then I missed it 17:47 was it handed to you guys as a finished list? 17:48 sabdfl picks them 17:48 no call for nominations 17:49 I see 17:50 I found http://www.mail-archive.com/technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com/msg01199.html 17:50 maybe from there folks mailed Mark 17:50 but I don't know for sure 17:50 all right... anything else? 17:51 I think that's it, thanks dholbach! 17:51 thanks a bunch everyone! 17:51 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)