19:03 <tumbleweed> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
19:03 <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Sep  9 19:03:48 2013 UTC.  The chair is tumbleweed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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19:03 <tumbleweed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
19:04 <tumbleweed> #topic review previous action items
19:04 <tumbleweed> I see nothing in the agenda
19:04 <micahg-work> \o/
19:04 <tumbleweed> anyone recall anything?
19:04 <tumbleweed> I guess we move on
19:04 <happyaron> my application?
19:04 <tumbleweed> #topic Core-Dev applications
19:05 <tumbleweed> #subtopic happyaron's core-dev application
19:05 <tumbleweed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AronXu/DeveloperApplication
19:05 <tumbleweed> happyaron: care to introduce it?
19:06 <happyaron> well, last month I joined Canonical's Desktop Team, so that my work focus has moved from only input method related packages to more about the desktop... So I think the best idea is to apply for core-dev role.
19:06 <micahg-work> happyaron, what was your thinking behind that?
19:06 <happyaron> I have PPU for input-method packages earlier this year.
19:07 <happyaron> micahg-work: it's actually more related to my current work, which is a quite long term project (ubuntukylin) which needs updating their packages from time to time.
19:08 <micahg-work> happyaron, were you aware there was a desktop packageset that can be applied for separately?
19:08 <happyaron> I think from technical and procedure perspective I'm qualified for core-dev, and now I have to pinging around for uploading them.
19:09 <ScottK> Ubuntu Kylin has it's own package set as well.
19:09 <micahg-work> (and we can make an upload team for that as soon as someone is ready to apply for that)
19:09 <happyaron> micahg-work: yes I know, I have looked at it and think it's still quite limited, at least most of my current focus isn't Ubuntu's desktop package set, but really not limited to ubuntukylin's one
19:10 <ScottK> What recent uploads do you have that reflect your focus?
19:11 <happyaron> youker-assistant, ubuntukylin-wallpapers, and there is some changes to fcitx pending upload.
19:11 <micahg-work> the first two should be in the Kylin packageset
19:12 <micahg-work> fcitx you already have upload rights for through the input methods packageset
19:12 <happyaron> there are also changes to fonts planned for next cycle. It isn't so obvious because the project is still in an early stage.
19:12 <happyaron> yes.
19:14 <happyaron> I know that you are very cautious on granting core-dev upload rights, but I do think ubuntukylin for me is a long term project to enhance Chinese support in Ubuntu in certain sense, and packageset will not be able to fullfill the requirement.
19:15 <barry> happyaron: why not?  what's missing?
19:16 <happyaron> barry: it's not simply a project make a few new packages, but involves dealing with a more wide range of stuff. For example, we don't want to keep fonts in ubuntukylin's packageset, right?
19:16 <micahg-work> if they're Kylin specific, why not?
19:17 <micahg-work> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/saucy/ubuntukylin
19:17 <micahg-work> seems incomplete
19:17 <happyaron> but why fonts becomes kylin specific? there are only a small number of available fonts for use and they are meant for all Chinese users.
19:17 <ScottK> Packagesets are inclusive, not exclusive.
19:18 <micahg-work> ooh, there is a team
19:18 <ScottK> If it's in the packageset, people can get upload rights they wouldn't have, but it doesn't prevent others from uploading too.
19:18 <ScottK> So there's no downside.
19:18 <stgraber> micahg-work: I just added youker-assistant and ubuntukylin-wallpapers to the kylin packageset now
19:18 <micahg-work> stgraber, thanks
19:19 <stgraber> micahg-work: that packageset isn't seed based like the others as they don't have a seed, it needs me to manually update it whenever something new gets in the image (and nobody nagged me about it apparently ;))
19:21 * micahg-work wonders why Kylin doesn't have a seed
19:21 <ScottK> happyaron: It seems like you're immediate work is mostly on UbuntuKylin as are your recent contributions.
19:22 <ScottK> micahg-work: I think it's on someone's TODO list.
19:22 <happyaron> micahg-work: it was a baby project, and yes it's on TODO
19:22 <micahg-work> ok
19:22 <happyaron> ScottK: I joined last month, and it's my first task to work on
19:23 <ScottK> Right.  Normally we grant rights based on demonstrated past performance, not anticipated future needs.
19:25 <ScottK> happyaron: What can you tell me about where we are in the release schedule now and what that means for what you can upload?
19:26 <happyaron> ScottK: just past Beta1, in FF
19:27 <happyaron> means only bug fixes can be uploaded, but new features must get approved before introducing
19:27 <happyaron> i.e. new packages, new features, etc.
19:27 <ScottK> If you change a package to generate a new binary that has to go through New, does that need an FFe?
19:28 <happyaron> ScottK: I think yes.
19:29 <happyaron> stuff uploaded before FF can go without FFe, even it is trapped in NEW for days that missed the freeze date.
19:30 <ScottK> happyaron: That's correct.
19:33 <tumbleweed> ok, it looks live we have no more questions, let's take this to a vote
19:34 <tumbleweed> I think we'll take a vote on the core-dev application, and if it fails, vote on granting you membership of ubuntukylin-dev
19:35 <tumbleweed> happyaron: does that work for you?
19:35 <happyaron> yes
19:35 <tumbleweed> #voters bdrung ScottK Laney micahg barry tumbleweed stgraber
19:35 <meetingology> Current voters: Laney ScottK barry bdrung micahg stgraber tumbleweed
19:36 <tumbleweed> #vote grant happyaron core-dev rights
19:36 <meetingology> Please vote on: grant happyaron core-dev rights
19:36 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
19:36 <stgraber> +0
19:36 <meetingology> +0 received from stgraber
19:36 <ScottK> -1
19:36 <meetingology> -1 received from ScottK
19:36 <tumbleweed> #voters bdrung ScottK Laney micahg barry tumbleweed stgraber micahg-work
19:36 <meetingology> Current voters: Laney ScottK barry bdrung micahg micahg-work stgraber tumbleweed
19:36 <micahg-work> -1 lack of archive wide experience
19:36 <meetingology> -1 lack of archive wide experience received from micahg-work
19:36 <ScottK> Not enough recent history of broad contribution.  Be glad to see you back after that changes.
19:37 <barry> -1 ubuntukylin-dev membership is more appropriate at this time
19:37 <meetingology> -1 ubuntukylin-dev membership is more appropriate at this time received from barry
19:37 <happyaron> ok
19:37 <micahg-work> I concur with ScottK as well
19:37 <tumbleweed> +0 [ a DD, yes, but not enough broad experience in Ubuntu, or core-dev endorsement ]
19:37 <meetingology> +0 [ a DD, yes, but not enough broad experience in Ubuntu, or core-dev endorsement ] received from tumbleweed
19:38 <barry> -1
19:38 <meetingology> -1 received from barry
19:38 <tumbleweed> #endvote
19:38 <meetingology> Voting ended on: grant happyaron core-dev rights
19:38 <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:3 Abstentions:2
19:38 <meetingology> Motion denied
19:38 <tumbleweed> ok, that wasn't carried, let's go for ubuntukylin-dev
19:39 <tumbleweed> #vote should happyaron be granted membership of ubuntukylin-dev?
19:39 <meetingology> Please vote on: should happyaron be granted membership of ubuntukylin-dev?
19:39 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
19:39 <tumbleweed> +1
19:39 <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed
19:39 <stgraber> +1
19:39 <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
19:39 <barry> +1
19:39 <meetingology> +1 received from barry
19:39 <micahg-work> +1
19:39 <meetingology> +1 received from micahg-work
19:39 <ScottK> +1+1
19:39 <meetingology> +1+1 received from ScottK
19:39 <tumbleweed> heh
19:39 <tumbleweed> #endvote
19:39 <meetingology> Voting ended on: should happyaron be granted membership of ubuntukylin-dev?
19:39 <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
19:39 <meetingology> Motion carried
19:40 <tumbleweed> happyaron: congratulations, I hope that gives you what you need
19:40 <happyaron> thank you
19:40 <tumbleweed> and with luck, we'll see you back for core-dev in the future
19:40 <happyaron> tumbleweed: will come back when I got more archive wide activity, :)
19:40 <barry> happyaron: we look forward to it!
19:40 <happyaron> :-)
19:40 <ScottK> There's also ubuntu-desktop too.
19:41 <micahg-work> and MOTU
19:41 <tumbleweed> #topic any other business?
19:41 <tumbleweed> I guess not
19:42 <tumbleweed> #endmeeting