17:01 #startmeeting 17:01 Meeting started Thu Sep 5 17:01:36 2013 UTC. The chair is czajkowski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 17:01 17:01 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 17:02 Aloha and welcome to this months Community Council meeting where we meet with the LoCo Council 17:02 hello CC :) 17:02 so who is here from the LC ? 17:02 * coolbhavi lifts his hands up! 17:02 hello coolbhavi 17:02 Here czajkowski 17:03 hello PabloRubianes 17:03 hello cprofitt 17:03 hi cprofitt 17:04 hi CC! 17:04 * SergioMeneses hugs cprofitt 17:04 * cprofitt hugs SergioMeneses 17:04 Hi folks :) 17:04 YokoZar, \o 17:04 hi YokoZar 17:04 thanks for attending folks 17:05 hey YokoZar 17:05 always is good to meet with friends! 17:05 czajkowski, o/ 17:05 :) 17:05 hey beuno! 17:05 heya PabloRubianes! 17:06 so how are things in the LC ? 17:08 beuno: cprofitt YokoZar any questions? 17:08 czajkowski, going fine, we have been brainstorming and bringing in process changes 17:09 czajkowski, we published the new health check process http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2013/08/25/new-local-communities-healthcheck/ 17:09 apart from our routine such as loco teams verification on per cycle basis and helping the loco teams in case of any issues 17:09 and we are updating all teams right now http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2013/09/05/updating-shippit-to-the-new-term/ 17:10 anything stressing you guys out? 17:10 have you received much interest in the upcoming openings for the LC? 17:11 nothing stressful as of now beuno 17:11 cprofitt, yes! this time we have a lot of proposals 17:11 cprofitt, yes we have received 4 applications as of now 17:11 Pardon my ignorance, but do we offer localized versions of stuff in the goodies for loco councils, eg translated CD slip covers? 17:12 we shall send you an email with all information about the aspirants 17:12 (for the pressed CDs) 17:12 YokoZar: no, there no localized materials 17:12 in fact some Locos had say that we should improve the multilingual resources 17:13 as there is only official resources in English 17:14 I know that Jono spoke about 'special funding' for LoCo projects / activites I wonder if producing localized resources would be one of the things that might fit in that box... funds provided to a loco team so they can have that done... 17:14 by the way, we have received a lot of commentaries about the new process, I dont know if you saw it 17:15 SergioMeneses: I have not seen them; what was the overall response? 17:16 cprofitt: it's been welcomed 17:16 many people are very happy about removing the term approved so it's more welcoming to people 17:16 cprofitt: the resources I am talking are not just material, but for example ASKubuntu 17:16 and others who weren't approved before or lost the status want to go again to be verified 17:16 which is nice to see 17:16 cprofitt, the process is good because we need a tool for getting information about our local-communities, and the process is the best way to get it 17:17 czajkowski, agree 17:17 * cprofitt nods to PabloRubianes about askubuntu type resources 17:17 czajkowski: that is good that the process is well received 17:17 and we are thinking to start a new process to contact and work with all teams, even no-verified 17:17 from my point of view, I feel it's been harder to connect with the community at times due to different goals people have. I've found the vUDS mid week to hinder participation in the community 17:18 I am +1 with czajkowski 17:18 even the loco council themselves couldn't take part due to a) short notice of vUDs and b) the fact it was mid week meant people cannot take time off work to attend 17:18 which also means we cannot connect wiht the commmunity 17:18 at least it should be one day at a weekend day 17:18 czajkowski: I agree on the vUDS 17:18 czajkowski, totally agree, vuds schedule is not good for my real work 17:18 and the community cannot engage with Ubuntu, the developers and get involved. 17:19 Would longer notice time help there, or moving it to a weekend? 17:19 SergioMeneses: for anyone's work 17:19 it was one thing to take time off and travel to go to a UDS in person, but it has been difficult to attend the vUDS... in general I attend the sessions I am most interested in 17:19 YokoZar, would certainly help 17:19 and miss sessions that I am unsure of... at real UDS I would attend other sessions or use it to connect to others in the community 17:19 YokoZar: I know that maybe a weekend is a time where you want to be with family, but is once every 3 months 17:20 moving over a weekend means some of us can be free 17:20 on you regular job you cant connect to google hangout 17:20 YokoZar: yes more notice 17:21 and possibly a friday/saturday combination of a vUDs 17:21 cprofitt, but it was easier get days off in the work if you attent uds in person 17:21 imho 17:21 SergioMeneses: yep 17:21 but vuds might be on weekends 17:21 it could be a solution -practical- 17:21 +1 SergioMeneses 17:22 that's a schdeuling thing, but I think the feedback from a community point is that mid week is not at all helful if you're not directly involved in development 17:22 Do you feel that the loss of the in-person UDS has reduced the ability of people to understand the differences that regions face? I know I got a lot out of being able to really sit down and talk to people from Europe, India, etc... and listen to the issues they face in growing their local communities 17:22 so some sort of meeting in the middle is needed split between mid week and a weekend 17:22 cprofitt: I think honestly a 3 month cycle is very hard for a community when you don't have deliverables to produce 17:23 it's only 3 meetings 17:23 if you break it down to basics 17:23 +1 czajkowski 17:23 agree 17:23 cprofitt: also every loco has it needs sometimes global solutions are worst 17:23 cprofitt, I do feel so because infrastructure isnt so great here it just puts me out of contention wrt vUDS 17:23 that's why we are doing case by case solutions 17:23 so while I love the fact we have a fast pace developement cycle, I think it hinders at times our community to be involved when it comes to locoteams is my short summary :) 17:24 so it appears that we can agree that we have an opportunity to improve the vUDS in regards to community (non-developer) engagement 17:24 +1 17:24 +1 17:24 cprofitt: +1 17:25 cprofitt, +1 17:25 * SergioMeneses is still working 17:25 I think that is critical... speaking honestly the community is what convinced me to go with Ubuntu when I was in my distro hopping phase 17:25 I think the LC does a great job in understanding the community, it may be a slower than people want for changes to occur but it does listen to the ffeedback 17:25 SergioMeneses I am at work right now too 17:25 * coolbhavi is half slept here 17:25 +1 czajkowski I think the loco does an excellent job as well 17:26 czajkowski, maybe we need to be more public with our things 17:26 SergioMeneses: indeed 17:26 we do much on backstage 17:26 I hate when people said we dont work 17:26 it kinda feels at times people do not respect that or understand that and that leads to being frustrated tbh 17:26 sure 17:26 * cprofitt nods 17:26 we are more than +1/-1 17:27 yes we do a lot of other stuff too 17:27 I agree that I do not think people understand everything that goes on... there are a great many things that take tact, patience and a measure of privacy when it comes to loco teams 17:28 beuno: YokoZar cprofitt any other comments? 17:29 none from me, I'm happy you guys continue to rock 17:29 no, I am good. 17:29 cprofitt, and quantifying stuff for the number of teams we cater to isnt easy 17:29 I truly appreciate the work that everyone has done on the loco teams. 17:30 cprofitt, it's our duty 17:30 #endmeeting