17:00 #startmeeting 17:00 Meeting started Thu Jul 4 17:00:27 2013 UTC. The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 17:00 17:00 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 17:00 It's 1:00 AM here actually:P 17:00 o/ Ubuntu Studio as well 17:00 #chair dholbach Gwaihir czajkowski beuno 17:00 Current chairs: Gwaihir beuno czajkowski dholbach pleia2 17:01 Welcome to the Community Council Meeting :) 17:01 thank you :) 17:01 \o/ 17:01 thx 17:01 #agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda 17:01 I think we'll dive right in with the Ubuntu Studio check-in since they all seem to be here :) 17:02 #topic Ubuntu Studio check-in 17:02 pleia2, #agenda doesn't exist in available commands, IIRC:P 17:02 so during these check-ins we pretty much just ask how things are going, see if you need any help with anything, share exciting stories :) 17:03 smartboyhw: it's human-readable 17:03 so anyone is welcome to jump in 17:03 how are things going? :) 17:04 I joined recently, so I think everything's great. 17:04 Not bad. We're not a big team, but we have some exciting things in the works 17:05 what's planned for 13.10? :) 17:05 Multiple DE support 17:05 The main thing I suppose is that we're experimenting with becoming DE agnostics 17:05 how is that going work? 17:06 Well, as it seems, we could create a meta package that depends on another DE, then override a few things, like artwork (if felt important), and also anything else that would seem required from a technical perspective 17:06 dholbach, you mean the progress or the method? 17:07 aloha 17:07 but you'd then still create ISOs for multiple DEs? or ... well ... flavours of Ubuntu Studio? 17:07 sorry I'm a bit late, traffic/airport 17:07 welcome czajkowski 17:08 So far, we're still sticking with having a default DE that we maintain ourselves, but there is a chance that we might not need to keep our own seed files for any DE (at least from what it seems to me currently) 17:08 ok 17:08 and just use overrides 17:08 * pleia2 nods 17:09 we've become much more active in social channels, our website and on the wikis 17:09 so, that's a change for the better 17:09 do you get much feedback? 17:09 we're planning to co youtube videos too 17:10 dholbach: sure, all though, the amount of users we have is probably much less than for other, bigger flavors 17:10 the forum is probably the most used (ubuntuforums.org) 17:10 Many questions are similar and about how to get going with audio or video 17:10 So updated documentation and video tutorials might improve a lot 17:11 our main goal is really 14.04 as it seems right now. that will probably be a big makeover moment for us 17:11 cub: tha would be great 17:11 that 17:12 I remember there were some difficulties with the -rt kernel in the past - was that resolved somehow? 17:12 dholbach, we are going to remake it for 14.04 or later 17:13 Since zequence has got some kernel maintenance skills with linux-lowlatency 17:13 dholbach: since it was possible to tweak -generic for low latency (since around 2.6.37 or so), linux-lowlatency was born. Included since Precise 17:13 perfect 17:13 now maintained by me, and it is really just -generic, rebased, with a few config changes 17:14 great 17:14 we had a lot of help from UKT on this 17:14 and of course, Alessio Bogani, who created it initially 17:15 it's integrated into the kernel SRU process now 17:15 awesome 17:16 One thing that I've personally worked on for a while is making a map of flavor specific developer documentation. There's a lot of resources out there, but that is one thing I'd like to help improve 17:17 there's a lot to know, and with small teams like ours, it's really great to have instant access to all of the information needed in order to maintain a flavotr 17:17 that might also something where newer contributors might be able to help out 17:17 http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/DeveloperDocumentation is a beginning of that 17:17 yeah, they can share their own pain points so you can figure out where docs need to be written/improved 17:17 nice 17:18 I find that to be a very importan part in trying to get more people involved. It should be as easy as possible 17:18 * pleia2 nods 17:18 And, that is of course another big goal for us 17:19 As quite new in the team I can attest that it's a bit hard to get a grip on everything, so that documentation will make a big improvement 17:20 hop 17:20 ttoine: hi 17:20 sounds like you folks are working on lots of great things, thanks for joining us today :) 17:20 thanks :) 17:20 yw 17:21 and our door is open always if you ever discover you need anything, just let us know 17:21 shall we move on to check-in with Xubuntu? 17:21 so I guess I already missed everything ? 17:21 ttoine, yeah:PP 17:22 :-( 17:22 ttoine: if you have anything to say about the work studio is doing, please feel free :) 17:22 ttoine has been working on a webshop for Ubuntu Studio 17:22 pleia2, I work for Studio since its beginning 17:23 and I enjoy the fact that it is more more ready to use out of the box 17:23 webshop? 17:24 ttoine: I suppose you would be the best to answer any questions on that :) 17:24 pleia2, yes 17:24 I have the licence from Canonical 17:24 not questioning that, just curious as to what it is/will offer :) 17:25 And a agreement with them and Spreadshirt. At the moment, the artwork is created, and I just need to find a bit of time to push the products online 17:25 oh, studio-branded products? 17:25 to be very original, we will start with a mug and 3 different colors of t-shirt 17:26 then, we will see if spreadshirt does the job well 17:26 cool 17:26 yes ! 17:26 awesome 17:27 This is rather a surprise project I think, but ttoine has been working on it extensively 17:27 it will be available this summer. I actually am moving from one city to another (new job) and I don't have Internet at home 17:28 great (and congrats on new job) 17:28 we recently got a new art lead, goes by the nick madeinkobaia, and this really boosts our ability to show a prettier face towards the public 17:29 cool 17:29 wel done :) 17:29 *well 17:29 pleia2, you are welcome. I am proud to work now for an open source editor 17:30 madeinkobaia is really a talented artist 17:31 those are good people to have around 17:32 yes. Open Source needs to be beautiful. most of all, when it is about art production 17:32 :) 17:32 zequence's headhunting has been rather successful I think 17:32 Many people expressed interest in joining 17:32 As one of the cofounder of Ubuntu Studio, years ago, I am glad to see the work done by the current team !! 17:33 we eventually are creating a community. this is quite new 17:33 Yeah ttoine zequence what happened to our history page? :P 17:34 on the website ? or on Wikipedia ? 17:34 alright, I think we can wrap this portion up and get to the Xubuntu folks 17:34 thanks everyone :) 17:34 thanks a lot Ubuntu Studio people! :) 17:34 yep, thanks all 17:34 :) 17:34 :) 17:34 #topic Xubuntu check-in 17:34 thank you all 17:34 ok, who all is here from Xubuntu? 17:35 o/ 17:35 o/ 17:35 o/ 17:35 hey there folks thanks for coming. 17:35 o/ 17:35 how are things this cycle for Xubuntu going ? 17:35 I'll go first - suffering a bit 17:36 we've made remarkable inroads into manual testcases, the autopilot testing is not so good - but we're not completely sure yet if it will help us 17:36 it should when someone has time to dig into it :) 17:37 in what way is autopilot not so good and is there some way the QA team can help you ? 17:37 we'd probably prefer to be able to get more testing done - but that's about calling for help for it when we need 17:37 nods 17:37 czajkowski: mostly people-power 17:37 a lot of projects feel that way about testing :) 17:37 pleia2: ack 17:37 czajkowski: we're not completely sure at present - but autopilot works well with ubuntu/unity - not so well with other apps 17:38 but - hopefully we can make use of ubiquity autopilot tests 17:38 elfy: is this something the team has raised and tried to work with balloons and the QA team with ? 17:38 to see how it can work or where to help? 17:39 and I talk to balloons quite frequently so it's not about talking - more about making it work for us - IF we decide it's actually of any use to us 17:39 yeah, all the QA teams work pretty closely together 17:39 I'm here for Xubuntu, sorry for being late. (Coffee...) 17:39 so - really there's not much that you can help us with at present :) 17:39 I think the main issue is that it's tedious work to get autopilot tests written (they must be very specific) so we need folks who have time to dig into it (as micahg said) and spend the time 17:40 pleia2: not so much that it's tedious - more that it doesn't like our apps much :) 17:40 nods and sometimes people do not have the time 17:40 absolutely 17:40 elfy: not liking apps might be a fixable issue 17:40 pleia2: you're saying one thing and elfy says theother, is it a mixture of the two ? 17:40 micahg: ahh ok 17:41 what micahg said 17:41 +1 17:41 but - I'm also not at all sure it's going to help us - which is another issue altogether 17:41 elfy put out a call for help with both manual and auto tests today, so hopefully that will drum up some interest :) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-July/009051.html 17:41 ah ok just so we;re all on the same page 17:42 dholbach: beuno any comments? 17:43 pleia2: in general any other issues or concerns or thoughts you would like to air? 17:43 project-wde we're still pretty lean on developers, but we're chugging away 17:43 I think project wide we are still pretty lean full stop ;) 17:44 are you in touch with your users? (like what the Ubuntu Studio guys mentioned earlier, social media, etc.) 17:44 yeah, twitter, g+ and facebook 17:44 Social media presences are pretty active 17:44 And of course the users and devel mailing lists. 17:44 lots of feedback from them, and we x-post all our calls for help so that's brought in some casual contributions 17:44 pleia2: what do you mean x-post ? 17:45 czajkowski: cross-post 17:45 s/x-post/crosspost/ 17:45 pleia2: ah yes, sorry. :) 17:45 what kind of casual contributions were those? 17:45 just recently heard from a community deploying xubuntu in their organization, so will have an interview with them up on the site soon 17:46 bug reports, drive by testing 17:46 nice 17:46 did some of them stick around? 17:46 not really so far, but our social media is just a few months old, so we'll see :) 17:46 awesome 17:47 we also leveraged existing social media outlets - the facebook and g+ things already existed when we made them "official" 17:47 some people do dholbach - that elfy guy did and look what he ended up holding 17:47 linkedin too 17:47 :-) 17:47 where do you feel you'd need help the most? 17:47 pleia2: Whereever we picked up lderan. 17:47 oh, we've gotten new contributors in general, just not sure about how many from social media (elfy has been around ubuntu forever!) 17:48 pleia2: I wandered in from the shadows more fully around vUDS-1303 17:49 pleia2: thanks - now I feel really old :p 17:49 probably development help, there are always more things we want to get done in a cycle 17:49 elfy: <3 17:50 really happy that we got a bunch of clean-up work done for 13.04, ended up being a really solid release but not particularly innovative :) 17:50 I'm sure your users appreciate "really solid" :) 17:50 indeed! 17:50 With luck we'll get apt-offline seeded this cycle too 17:51 hoping for 4.12 as well, but we're dependent upon upstream and not sure it will land in time 17:51 xfce ^^ 17:51 I'm all set in terms of questions :) 17:51 we're meeting with jono next week to discuss Mir 17:51 ah yes, he mentioned it in passing 17:51 beuno, Gwaihir, czajkowski? more questions? 17:54 thanks xubuntu folks :) 17:54 thanks a lot! 17:54 cheers 17:55 cheers 17:55 * dholbach hugs you all! 17:55 #topic Any other business 17:55 anyone have anything else? :) 17:55 no, I'm all set 17:57 ok, thanks everyone 17:57 #endmeeting