#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by slangasek at 16:01:51 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-01-30-16.01.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Lightning round *Bugs *Mobile sprint ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/raring-targets well are we at the second marker yet? with desktop + firefox + thunderbird under 1GB of RAM or not ? (xnox, 16:45:56) *AOB Meeting ended at 16:53:11 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * ev (61) * slangasek (45) * ogra_ (36) * bdmurray (32) * cjwatson (30) * xnox (27) * stgraber (27) * barry (21) * ubottu (18) * jodh (15) * doko (10) * stokachu (8) * meetingology (3) * kyleN (1) * dholbach (1) == Full Log == 16:01:51 #startmeeting 16:01:51 Meeting started Wed Jan 30 16:01:51 2013 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 16:01:51 16:01:51 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 16:02:31 [TOPIC] Lightning round 16:02:33 $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra cjwatson xnox stokachu) 16:02:36 bdmurray jodh ogra stgraber stokachu barry ev doko slangasek xnox cjwatson 16:03:36 Blueprints: 16:03:55 I was working on create and update a BucketSystems column family to keep track of unique systems in a bucket: TODO 16:04:04 and 16:04:12 Import developer to package and developer to team mappings and filter the default view on errors.ubuntu.com to problems the developer and their team are responsible for: TODO 16:04:24 there is a now a user view at errors.ubuntu.com which is part of that 16:04:49 I completed the following: 16:04:59 move stable release notes from archiveadmin page and put it in another page and link to it from the archiveadmin page and the SRU page: DONE 16:05:06 update SRU team documentation to mention that the security team should be pinged for any copies to the -security pocket: DONE 16:05:20 document pinging the SRU team member of the day in #ubuntu-release to escalate SRUs: DONE 16:05:30 other work: 16:05:41 irc discussion with evan regarding errors user parameter 16:05:41 setup of errors in an lxc environment linked to production cassandra 16:05:41 debugged user view on errors.ubuntu.com 16:05:41 setup rpdb2 on lxc versions of errors 16:05:41 added rpdb2 information to w.u.c/ErrorTracker/Deployment 16:05:54 sorted out issue with user parameter only working with one source package 16:05:56 landed fix for bug 1103156 regarding user parameter 16:05:59 bug 1103156 in Errors "not possible to use user parameter on front page of errors" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1103156 16:05:59 uploaded software-center to raring fixing bug 1095823 16:06:01 bug 1095823 in software-center (Ubuntu Quantal) "Incorrect path for oem descriptor" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1095823 16:06:02 uploaded software-center fix for bug 1095823 to P and Q 16:06:04 tested and uploaded fix for bug 1077113 16:06:06 bug 1077113 in apt-clone (Ubuntu) "do-release-upgrade crashes if any directories exist in /etc/apt/sources.list.d" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077113 16:06:06 testing fix for bug 1098235 regarding update-notifier and gksu 16:06:06 merge proposal for apport adding a policykit policy to allow pkexec to use apport-gtk 16:06:08 bug 1098235 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "On screen Keybord non responsive for "Report problem" due to update-notifier using gksu" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1098235 16:06:09 Q SRU verification of bug 1077253 regarding apport 16:06:11 bug 1077253 in apport (Ubuntu Quantal) "possible for ExecutableTimestamp to not be for the binary in ExecutablePath" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077253 16:06:12 updated w.u.c/StableReleaseUpdates per blueprints 16:06:18 research into functionality provided by update-notifier 16:06:18 documentation of update-notifier changes at w.u.c./UpdateNotifier 16:06:18 reported usb-creator bug 1108327 regaring ubuntu folder 16:06:19 bug 1108327 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "ubuntu folder not created on a disk made by usb-creator" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1108327 16:06:26 done 16:06:43 * blueprints 16:06:43 - foundations-r-upstart-roadmap: NOPROGRESS 16:06:43 - foundations-r-arm-ubiquity: NOPROGRESS 16:06:43 - foundations-r-upstart-user-session-enhancements 16:06:46 - merged lp:~stgraber/upstart/upstart-make-event-bridge-usable. 16:06:49 - wrote lp:~jamesodhunt/upstart/add-session-file. 16:06:52 - wrote lp:~jamesodhunt/upstart/remove-basic-user-sessions. 16:06:55 - further investigations into session shutdown. 16:06:59 - finished lp:~jamesodhunt/upstart/initctl-list-sessions. 16:07:02 - finished tests + doc for lp:~jamesodhunt/upstart/setenv+getenv. 16:07:05 - good progress on lp:~jamesodhunt/upstart/event-prefixes. 16:07:08 - branch updates based on review feedback. 16:07:12 œ 16:07:15 16:07:29 done: 16:07:29 * ambient light support script added to nexus7 16:07:30 * set up cpufreq configuration for the interactive governor used on the nexus7 16:07:30 * hunting IS to get the livefs builder working again 16:07:30 * lots and lots of testing of fixes from others for the nexus7 16:07:30 * enable usbnet alongside with teh serial gadget driver on teh nexus7 so serial over USB as well as direct TCP/IP via teh usb cable work now 16:07:33 * tested the new BT implementation on the nexus7 16:07:37 * dropped all hardcoded screen rotation bits from nexus7 16:07:39 * fix up a lot of teh gsettings overrides on nexus7 16:07:41 * roughly looked into GPS on the nexus7 16:07:43 todo: 16:07:45 * port nx7 images to xz compression (blocked on missing livefs builder) 16:07:47 * discuss livefs builder situation with infinity (carried over from last week, blocked on builder) 16:07:49 * fix plymouth vs console-setup racing somehow (likely needs cjwatson advice) to allow initrd-less booting 16:07:52 * port update-notifier to pkexec to fix onboard vs gksu issues 16:07:54 * add lux script for making the ambient light sensor work on the nexus7 16:07:56 * holding a UDW talk about the ubuntu image build infrastructure tomorrow and will likely bother cjwatson or infinity with a review of notes for the talk 16:08:29 ogra_: I saw the RT has been updated; is the livefs builder working again today? 16:08:38 yep 16:08:42 ok, good 16:08:55 ogra_: are you done? 16:08:56 they got it working yesterday biut nobody noticed the stale lockfile 16:09:05 infinity then saved us :) 16:09:07 done 16:09:15 Feature work: 16:09:16 - Upstart (BLUEPRINT: foundations-r-upstart-user-session-enhancements) 16:09:16 - Session socket branch was merged 16:09:16 - Event bridge fixes branch was merged 16:09:16 - Planning the next steps (jobs, packaging, landing). 16:09:18 - Container (BLUEPRINT: servercloud-r-lxc) 16:09:20 - MIR: Updated libseccomp to run the test suite and asked for final ack from the MIR team. 16:09:22 ogra_: I'm almost done with the porting of update-notifier to pkexec 16:09:23 - MIR: Poked the MIR team about lxc. 16:09:26 - Code reviews. 16:09:28 - Planning 0.9~alpha3. 16:09:31 - Discussed plan for container/security/lxc micro-conference at LPC2013 16:09:34 - Fixed auto-upgrade-testing to work properly with LXC, now giving the same results as KVM but 2-3 times faster. 16:09:36 * ogra_ hugs bdmurray 16:09:37 - Networking (BLUEPRINT: foundations-r-networking) 16:09:39 - Some apparmor fixes for the upcoming infiniband support 16:09:42 Other work: 16:09:45 - Installer 16:09:47 - SRUed fix for casper bug 984276 16:09:49 bug 984276 in casper (Ubuntu Precise) "installing casper on a non live system causes update-initramfs to fail" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/984276 16:09:50 - Networking 16:09:52 - Updated ofono in raring to latest upstream. 16:09:55 - Tested ofono with all the modems I had around. 16:09:57 - Started implementing a new ofono backed for NetworkManager. Now capable of listing the modems and properties, not quite connecting yet though. 16:10:00 TODO: 16:10:03 - Try to finish any LXC feature work for this cycle (1 item left). 16:10:05 - Prepare some upstart user session debs with all our patches and the initial Xsession scripts and upstart jobs. 16:10:08 (DONE) 16:12:54 stokachu: around? anything you want to report? 16:12:59 oh sorry 16:13:10 bug: 1103541, being reviewed 16:13:10 bug: 1103644, has a new MP for review 16:13:10 bug: 1023069, further investigation still seems to point to a corrupt repo, will have further confirmation this week 16:13:12 bug 1103541 in aptitude (Ubuntu) "Please merge aptitude 0.6.8.2-1(main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1103541 16:13:13 bug: 1077095, finished verification for Quantal 16:13:14 bug 1103644 in python-tz (Ubuntu) "Please merge python-tz 2012c-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1103644 16:13:15 done 16:13:16 bug 1023069 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "Packages was corrupt" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1023069 16:13:17 bug 1077095 in appmenu-gtk (Ubuntu Quantal) "Please blacklist "IBM Notes"" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077095 16:13:30 stokachu: i'll take another look at that mp later today 16:13:45 barry: cool thanks man, hopefully got it sorted out for you 16:14:00 you definitely picked a fun one :) 16:14:14 hah and here i was hoping it was a low hanging fruit 16:15:38 barry: your turn 16:15:46 bug 1094823; bug 1103192; bug 1102875; bug 1110470 16:15:51 bug 1094823 in libnet-ssh2-perl (Ubuntu) "Merge libnet-ssh2-perl 0.46-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1094823 16:15:52 bug 1103192 in oneconf (Ubuntu) "oneconf-query crashed with AttributeError in /usr/bin/oneconf-query: 'GNUTranslations' object has no attribute 'ugettext'" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1103192 16:15:54 bug 1102875 in oneconf (Ubuntu) "DEP8 test failed with output on stderr" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1102875 16:15:55 bug 1110470 in software-center (Ubuntu) "--measure-startup-time fails with missing import" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1110470 16:16:09 reviewed/sponsored lp:~dobey/ubuntu/raring/twisted/fix-pygtkcompat 16:16:14 reviewed/sponsored lp:~mitya57/ubuntu/raring/python3-defaults/resync 16:16:25 experimented a bit with pybuild 16:16:29 blueprint workitem for community-r-packaging-guide 16:16:41 cx_Freeze 4.3.1 into raring 16:16:44 blueprint workitem: investigating freezing of s-c for startup time improvement 16:16:48 dmb meeting 16:16:52 patch piloting (see previous report) 16:16:56 foundations-r-python-oauth3: upstream released 0.3.5, now packaged in raring, which should unblock the 4 inprogress bugs. 16:17:01 foundations-r-python-version: no further progress 16:17:05 foundations-r-python33: DONE 16:17:08 done 16:17:17 (hmm, that first bug doesn't seem right) 16:17:33 - My branch to group error reports that should not disturb the user with the 16:17:33 next one that should is ready for review: 16:17:33 https://code.launchpad.net/~ev/apport/grouped_reports/+merge/144591 16:17:33 - Helping jjo get the error tracker infrastructure deployed to stagingstack \o/ 16:17:38 it was a s-c bug 16:17:44 - Chat with James Troup on whether it makes sense to rework the retracers to 16:17:44 use EBS rather than ephemeral storage. EBS on OpenStack was *much* faster in 16:17:44 his tests, but he felt that using it now would be premature optimisation. We 16:17:44 can always scale out more retracers. 16:17:55 - Took an action to bolt gnuoy's script to clear the caches on 80% disk usage 16:17:55 to the prodstack infrastructure. 16:17:55 We also agreed that we can run the secondary single-node Cassandra cluster on 16:17:55 prodstack. This if you don't recall will be used for backup (both failover 16:17:55 and saving state) and non-write Hadoop jobs. 16:18:04 - Dug deeper into d3.js over the weekend, refactoring a lot of the code I wrote 16:18:04 to create the average errors per calendar day graph. I'm trying to fix the 16:18:04 milestone and date overlap problem while making the full graph easier to 16:18:04 read. 16:18:04 - Sprinting. 16:18:04 - Trying to bring whoopsie's memory usage down to a more acceptable level. I 16:18:05 replaced the Dbus-based NetworkManager calls with libnm calls, this getting 16:18:14 rid of a hard to track memory leak in our usage of GVariant. GVariant has 16:18:14 proven really difficult to get right since we started writing whoopsie. 16:18:14 - Plugged a few memory leaks discovered with valgrind. 16:18:21 - Built out tests to run whoopsie for 15 seconds under valgrind, then run the 16:18:21 entire test suite under valgrind. This means we run the suite twice, but I 16:18:21 think that's a reasonable compromise for being able to run tests using the 16:18:21 normal GLib memory allocator. 16:18:30 - Somehow memory usage has increased quite dramatically with all these 16:18:30 changes, so I'm bisecting. 16:18:30 - Started to look into reducing the number of wakeups in whoopsie. The big 16:18:30 cause of this at the moment is GNetworkMonitor, which we use to track 16:18:34 slangasek just notes he doesn't have any irc connection at the moment 16:18:37 changes to the network state: 16:18:37 http://developer.gnome.org/gio/2.32/GNetworkMonitor.html#GNetworkMonitor-network-changed 16:18:37 Blueprints have mostly remained unchanged this week with the sprint. I've taken 16:18:43 on one additional workitem so far to reduce whoopsie's memory usage. Let me 16:18:43 know if there's anything else I personally should be looking at. I'm keen on 16:18:43 seeing how performant apport is on the Nexus 7 just as soon as I can figure out 16:18:43 this VPN nonsense. 16:18:46 (done!) 16:18:58 done! or !done? 16:19:19 unless I've fallen off the network suddenly :) 16:19:19 why yes, I sure have 16:19:27 slangasek: you are back? =) 16:19:41 - backported python3 cross build patches to 2.7, and the packaging. 2.7 is now able to cross-build 16:19:42 - updated the python3.3 packaging to cross build 16:19:42 - get cross build fixes upstream into 3.3 and trunk 16:19:42 - cross-build python*-stdlib-extensions 16:19:42 - cross-build zope.interface (as a proof of concept that cross-building simple packages using distutils/ 16:19:43 setuptools does work. See http://wiki.debian.org/Python/MultiArch for the details 16:19:45 - TODO: fix dh_python* to rename to host names, not build names 16:19:49 (done) 16:21:34 cross-build zope.interface> oh, *well done* 16:22:43 doko: i may want to cross build cxfreeze, so i'll come to you if i have questions ;) 16:24:59 doko: haha, just noticed that :) 16:26:24 slangasek: still back? 16:26:32 xnox: maybe you should go ahead 16:26:34 ev: +1 on reducing whoopsie's memory usage & wakeups :) 16:26:36 aha 16:26:46 .. 16:26:49 Blueprints: 16:26:49 foundations-r-dh-apparmortemplate: Got reply from jamie, currently 16:26:49 it's not been worked on on the desktop side, hence will probably be postponed. 16:26:49 foundations-r-arm-usb-creator-fastboot-support: 16:26:49 complete from usb-creator side, uploaded with nexus7 support into 16:26:50 raring. Not sure if we will change the way we publish images. 16:26:52 * porting usb-creator to udisks2 api to drop udisks1 from the CD 16:26:54 (udisks2 api is significantly different) 16:26:56 * Fixed bug #656009 16:26:57 bug 656009 in usbmuxd (Ubuntu Quantal) "/usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-afc-volume-monitor kills polar bears" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656009 16:27:00 * Looking into other powertop wakeups 16:27:02 * Giving a quick demo "Fixing packages to cross-build" for Developer week tomorrow 16:27:04 * Going to FOSDEM on friday. 16:27:06 * Reviewed ubiquity branches from ~kylix, got legal ok to merge them. 16:27:07 slangasek: excellent, I was worried about how wanted that would be 16:27:08 * fix a crash in software-center bug #1105021 while trying to verify 16:27:09 bug 1095117 in Ubuntu Software Center "duplicate for #1105021 update-software-center-channels crashed with NameError in trigger_axi_update_and_wait(): global name 'GLib' is not defined" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1095117 16:27:10 app-install-data-partner quantal sru 16:27:12 .. 16:27:52 No blueprint progress to speak of this week, mainly due to sprinting. Still awaiting review on LP change for foundations-r-phased-updates (I've just poked the maintenance squad about it). 16:27:54 (and that still didn't get uploaded into the archive... maybe I should upload it as well.) 16:27:56 Merged about half of our remaining grub2 delta back to Debian, and working on ideas for merging some of the rest, as the size of our delta has been a pain; not uploaded yet. 16:28:01 12.04.2 prep: uploaded base-files, sent status mail, promotions to -updates including the X.org enablement stack, continuing reviews 16:28:03 Nexus 7 sprint: 16:28:06 - Fixed valgrind to not strip vgpreload* on ARM so you don't need valgrind-dbg, and applied patch to implement VCVT.F64.[SU]32 instructions. 16:28:09 - Fixed memory leaks in upower. 16:28:12 - Tracked down some of update-notifier's memory use (and probably others) to incorrect timestamps created by installer bug; filed bug report which has been fixed. 16:28:14 - Mailed ubuntu-devel about some strategies and tools for attacking memory leaks. 16:28:17 - Further work on update-notifier, trying to find more memory inefficiencies since I think its use is unreasonable. I'm going to need to tidy up some more before I can see the real problems. 16:28:22 .. 16:29:12 * ogra_ notices that sadly updating the icon cache still levaes me with 620M for an idling desktop 16:29:22 (according to htop) 16:29:49 * nexus7 sprinting: reviewing upstart branches so that we can enable user sessions 16:29:52 * systemd packaging 16:29:54 * SRU processing for 12.04.2 16:29:57 * BP status: 16:29:59 * foundations-r-secure-boot: in progress 16:30:02 * foundations-r-session-management: systemd packaging in progress 16:30:04 * foundations-r-improve-cross-compilation: stalled; will look at this next month 16:30:07 * foundations-r-opt-installation: no progress to report; will start on this next month 16:30:10 (done) 16:30:13 any questions? 16:30:37 cjwatson: hmm, I wonder if we should have something approaching a common valgrind suppressions file for these glib/gtk based applications 16:31:34 dholbach, Hi. How can I attend/discover achiang's UDW session g+ hangout in 30 minutes? 16:31:34 heh, achiang asked that too 16:31:50 I think most of those are not really suppressable - the bulk are reference cycles and such 16:32:11 but I guess you mean singletons 16:32:13 cjwatson: yeah, did you get anywhere with refdbg, by the way? It looks fairly dead upstream. 16:32:31 yeah, there are a few things here and there 16:32:44 kyleN, http://ubuntuonair.com 16:32:51 I actually think it'd be better to finish pushing gtk up the hill such that you can actually free those properly on exit - there've been a few upstream bugs about it over the years and general consensus that we should 16:33:11 excellent. I'm all for that 16:33:23 ev: refdbg> next on the list - it does at least still build (you need libglib2.0-0-refdbg) 16:33:47 it's a shame that there's no such thing for the gvariant case, but oh well 16:33:57 no which thing? 16:34:03 refdbg 16:34:12 ah, didn't realise it didn't handle gvariants 16:34:26 I don't *think* it does, but don't quote me 16:35:13 Maybe it's not enough of a GTye 16:35:16 *GType 16:35:42 [TOPIC] Bugs 16:35:58 bdmurray: not sure if there's anything this week since we're all mobiling? 16:36:06 I thought it was more that gvariant lives off in its own excessively-optimised little world and that http://developer.gnome.org/gobject/stable/tools-refdb.html wouldn't work 16:36:14 (not to be confused with moblining) 16:36:25 but I haven't dug deep enough - I just ended up throwing in a convincing enough struct to check the refcounts manually 16:36:29 slangasek: I have not seen anything other than the carry over bug 1093819 from last week. What is the next step there? 16:36:30 something like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7 ? 16:36:31 bug 1093819 in Wubi "Wubi installed 12.10 amd64 without configuring i386" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1093819 16:36:31 :) 16:38:45 bdmurray: next step is to look at the build system for the wubi image and figure out if something is removing the file 16:40:53 bdmurray: as I noted in the bug log, dpkg's postinst should work unconditionally on initial install 16:41:17 bdmurray: can you carry that investigation forward, since you've been looking at it so far? 16:41:54 slangasek: looking at the build system? 16:42:02 bdmurray: yes 16:42:07 slangasek: sure 16:42:12 cheers 16:42:27 bdmurray: 16:42:30 oops, sorry 16:42:53 [TOPIC] Mobile sprint 16:43:07 anybody want to say anything wrt the sprint that hasn't already been said? 16:43:20 it sounds like things are going well 16:43:52 we should have the desktop running in 640k of memory on the n7 by the end of the week, right? :) 16:44:36 * barry is having a flashback to 1981 16:44:54 It's certainly making me go through some truly elderly code 16:45:56 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/raring-targets well are we at the second marker yet? with desktop + firefox + thunderbird under 1GB of RAM or not ? 16:46:22 Mm, it'd be nice to have those table cells coloured with assessments 16:46:25 hmm, not sure 16:46:39 ugh, thunderbird 16:46:47 I feel that I have very little idea of how much overall progress we're considered to have made 16:46:52 And how much remains 16:46:56 ogra_: it's not entirely clear if it's thunderbird or email webapp 16:47:03 the web browser can take up 1GB on its own, so 16:47:09 i hope its not thunderbird 16:47:24 relax guys, I'm sure it's mutt 16:47:32 =))))))) 16:47:37 with QML overlay ? 16:47:39 emacs what else does one need =) 16:47:48 [TOPIC] AOB 16:47:49 ;P 16:48:01 heh 16:48:01 I'm 29. 16:48:13 xnox: emacs under 1gb? not mine! :) 16:48:18 ONE GOOD YEAR LEFT! :-P 16:48:35 yeah, its over after that, let me tell you 16:48:39 :D 16:48:51 ev: you'd better buy more tyres! 16:48:51 ev: congrats :) 16:48:52 its starts with your hair ... then your teeth ... and then the rest falls off 16:48:57 cheers 16:49:00 ¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪ ░H░A░P░P░Y░ (¯''•.¸*♥♥♥* ¸.•''¯) ░B░I░R░T░H░D░A░Y░ ♪♫•*¨*•.¸¸♫♪ 16:49:04 g'aw 16:49:13 but you grow a lot new stuff right above the hips though 16:49:21 xnox: is that the royalty-free version? :) 16:49:27 hahaha, this has suddenly taken a turn for the graphic 16:49:29 happy birthday :) 16:49:38 thanks! 16:49:39 yes, I have several teeth right above my hips now 16:49:47 slangasek: it's irc equiv. of singing the song =) 16:49:47 happy b-day yeah :) 16:49:48 they don't tell you that in the brochure 16:49:48 might want to get that looked at 16:49:48 happy birthday ev! 16:49:53 thanks! 16:49:55 LOL 16:49:55 Nexus 7 competitive analysis: http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/29/3929110/surface-pro-disk-space-windows-8 16:49:59 ;-) 16:50:06 hah! 16:51:10 wow 16:51:17 hey but at least it can run for 4h on battery ! 16:51:31 i'm sure they won't possibly get sued over that 16:51:33 /o\ 16:52:17 well I remember shaving off 7GB by stripping architectures off fat-binaries and languages translations from mac os x install... 16:53:11 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)