16:01:04 #startmeeting 16:01:04 Meeting started Fri Dec 7 16:01:04 2012 UTC. The chair is kyleN_. 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(you land in oem-config again automatically until it is done) 16:06:47 ogra_: I got through an install (and plymouth \o/) no issues yesterday 16:07:00 <~~~ no issues here as well 16:07:02 vanhoof, yeah, the change is two weeks old or so 16:07:20 it doesnt seem to happen always or to everyone 16:07:33 bcurtiswx, the strictly nexus related plans are to make current ubuntu robust on it and support at least some hw features (sensors, webcam) 16:07:34 and the reboot not always fixes it 16:07:49 so expect some support questions if people start using it widely 16:08:01 oh, and before i forget ... 16:08:13 we have a serial debug shell via USb by defautl now 16:08:14 bcurtiswx, the plans are mostly in Launchpad blueprints and in the stated goals of the project but not written up as plans anywhere AFAIK 16:08:48 bcurtiswx, the genera plan is to make Ubuntu raring "work" on nexus 7. We are mostly concerned with system level stuff as opposed to GUI for now 16:08:51 attach the nexus to your PC and run: screen /dev/ttyACM0 115200 16:08:54 janimo, ubuntu right now on a small screen like the nexus 7 is had to work with. It would be nice to develop "home" screen for them, maybe like the dash but with the users choice of apps, and they would always be fullscreen? 16:08:59 and you will get a login prompt 16:09:18 ogra, nice. should that be put in the wiki/ 16:09:20 kyleN_, OK, maybe I'll turn into an idea/thinktank for the GUI aspects 16:09:20 ? 16:09:33 kyleN_, that would make sense yeah 16:09:36 sfeole, can you please add that to the wiki? 16:09:48 it prevents users from having to set up wlan and install ssh 16:09:49 bcurtiswx, I agree, however this particular project only concers itself with making this hw a good enough platform to test such new UIs on, not actually have them done by 13.04 16:09:57 to get debugging stuff done 16:10:06 i think thats all wrt images atm ... 16:10:15 the touchscreen bug is still there in raring 16:10:26 ogra_, and that serial should work after a dist-upgrade, no need for a fresh raring install? 16:10:35 might want to comment on bluetooth in raring... 16:10:44 oh, and brcm-patchram isnt in raring atm, so even though we have BT fixes in kernel it wont work yet 16:10:44 [action] sfeole to add usb debug shell instructions to wiki 16:10:44 * meetingology sfeole to add usb debug shell instructions to wiki 16:10:56 janimo, right 16:10:57 ogra_: I'm working on getting it in asap. 16:11:19 ayan, getting what in ? 16:11:19 ogra_: you can find the daily build here: https://code.launchpad.net/~ayan/+recipe/brcm-patchram-daily 16:11:25 not that it is changing often. 16:11:30 ogra_, till just commented on LP that his BT on raring is not fixed by the kernel patch 16:11:35 it was only 12.10 that worked 16:11:47 ayan, i dont think we want the hack in the archive 16:11:56 the hack? 16:11:56 which is unfortunate, but bluez did not seem to change that much since 12.10 16:12:16 ayan, loading the firmware is/should be part of the driver ... not of a userspace tool 16:12:36 there are patches upstream that even seem to have gone into mainline for this 16:12:43 * ayan nods. 16:12:44 but there arent any for our kernel version 16:12:45 okay. 16:13:07 ok, so BT support is pending 16:13:10 if we would use the hack, i would just upload the ppa package to the archive ... untouched 16:13:23 bcurtiswx, here is the work item status for 13.04 http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/group/topic-raring-desktop-targets-for-embedded.html 16:13:30 which is the last resort solution if kernel cant work 16:13:42 it isn't quite a 'hack' though. it is software writen and maintained by a broadcom developer. 16:13:51 yeah, true 16:14:00 (software of questionable quality though.) 16:14:05 but there are upstream efforts for getting patchram support into the kernel itself 16:14:12 right. understood. 16:14:19 * janimo sees this as a helper tool like with many hw peripherals (usb modeswitch for ex) 16:14:19 if we could make use of teehse that would be great 16:14:27 if we cant we still have the fallback 16:14:34 not ideal but if it is the only way to get it work properly now... 16:14:53 janimo, well, our x86 kernel can handle patchram stuff just fine 16:15:07 it is at 3.7 though no? 16:15:28 a lot of our issues would go away if we had a 3.7 kernel too (and we'd likely have some new) 16:15:31 the patcches went into mainline ... so it feels a bit odd adding a userspace hack for something that doesnt need one on other arches 16:15:41 janimo, thx 16:15:58 yeah, no 3.7 for us until the binary drivers fullly work with it 16:16:01 ogra_: it needs to be on other archs. 16:16:30 ayan, on other arches the BT stack of the kernel performs the patchram call 16:16:48 while we do it in userspace and by replacing hcitool completely 16:17:17 thats device by device though I thought, what has landed upstream doesn't cover all brcm combo cards /me thought 16:17:34 * ayan wasn't aware that it actually landed upstream. 16:17:35 bug 1065400 16:17:37 Launchpad bug 1065400 in linux (Ubuntu Raring) "Support for loading Broadcom bluetooth firmware" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1065400 16:17:43 it was at least requested 16:17:49 okay. 16:18:11 anyway, if we could use that approach that would be a ton better 16:18:19 if we cant we can still pull the package in 16:18:21 Sounds like we have a plan A and a possible hack/fallback/plan B 16:18:33 right 16:18:46 done, ogra? 16:18:56 yeah, wrt images i am :) 16:19:01 ok, thanks 16:19:12 so should i continue with the brcm-patchram userspace stuff? 16:19:50 ayan, i'd say as a fallback, perhaps ping jesse to see about raring and the device in the n7 16:20:01 got it. 16:20:05 thanks ayan 16:20:12 awesome 16:20:24 OK moving along to the installer supporting R 16:20:40 I understand installer pkg 1.7 will support R 16:20:51 but it is not yet available - will be soon 16:20:56 it is now :) 16:20:57 it's avail now 16:20:57 https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-nexus7/+archive/ubuntu-nexus7-installer 16:21:01 aha 16:21:07 great 16:21:10 wiki is already updated 16:21:20 usb-creator work is still pending 16:21:21 vanhoof, thx, and sfeole. 16:21:27 with the raring dailys looking nice I've moved over to raring now 16:21:38 i think i'll start with that with xnox after the vacation days 16:21:54 same process as before, it'll pull the daily if its new(er) than what you have locally 16:22:01 we might change the image output format mind you 16:22:23 i.e. we peobably will merge both files into one etc 16:22:35 *probably 16:22:38 ogra_: ok, if you do, no biggie to fix-up on my end if needed 16:22:39 ogra, can you pls explain the usb creator approach and how it differs from the installer approach? 16:22:48 but i'll shout if that happens 16:22:52 cool 16:23:35 ogra_: yeap, ideally i would like to have a quick chat about the format with you. 16:23:41 kyleN_, a supported distro toool thats installed in all ubuntu installs to do the flashing 16:23:57 instead of a separately maintained installer script 16:24:17 ogra, to flash an attached n7 'disk' directly, or via an external media? 16:24:21 kyleN_, the plan is to have usb-creator generally support android flashing 16:24:39 it should function similar to the script installer .... 16:24:49 download on demand etc 16:25:01 xnox, yeah, lets do that after the meeting in #ubuntu-arm 16:25:10 ok, thx ogra 16:25:37 I forgot to announce the Installer topic -oops 16:25:48 [topic] valgrind mem leak work 16:26:21 Alex chiang's patch to valgrind to accept a path to a dir with debug symbols was commited 16:26:35 upstream 16:26:52 We are working on modifications to apport to: 16:27:11 create a dir with the debug symbols for the app you want to valgrind 16:27:27 valgrind it and produce a log file that can be used to identify memory leaks 16:28:04 in the longer run, we hope to normalize those log files and upload them if they are 'unique' in a manner that lets people find them and act on them 16:28:09 will that in any way influence "normal" apport behavior for normal users of armhf ? 16:28:21 ogra_, no 16:28:26 great 16:28:56 [topic] QA updates 16:29:05 sfeole, putting you on the spot without warning here 16:29:12 sorry - anything to add? 16:29:15 sure 16:29:28 If some of you want to dist-upgrade from 12.10 -> 13.04 then you may hit some known issues. 16:29:39 Please refer to the following bugs: 16:29:47 #1087295 16:29:53 #1087335 16:30:18 it's not a smooth transition, requires a little bit of work. 16:30:29 but other than that should function as expected 16:30:33 sfeole, is there any reason to do dist-upgrade instead of using the new installer R support? 16:30:42 and generally we encourage re-flashing anyway 16:30:59 nope, up to the user, as ogra_ just said we encourage a re-flash 16:31:15 (so people have proper user, tomezone and language setup) 16:31:25 yes 16:31:26 perhaps the wiki should make that clear, if it doesn't aleady 16:31:34 Thats it for now, I have been updating the Nexus7/KnownIssues page every day and bringing it up to speed. So be sure to check it out 16:31:35 its just for the hardcore guys that insit on upgrading :) 16:32:03 Also 16:32:20 all of the other exciting announcement that we have covered today will be on the Wiki in about 5 minutes. 16:32:25 <-- done 16:32:29 wrt known issues and wikippages .... 16:32:33 thanks sfeole 16:32:47 the FAQ link now takes you to askubuntu .... 16:32:54 from the main wiki page 16:33:26 yea, that was our goal to migrate most of the questions to AU 16:33:28 on askubuntu the amount of FAQs seems to be ratrher sparse while the actuall FAQ wikipage is pretty full ... but its not easily discoverable anymore 16:34:03 will anyone transfer these faqs, or should we have a "wikiFAQ" link or some such to not lose alll the answers ? 16:34:32 most of the questions in the wiki faq should be already up on Ask Ubuntu, simply search for the Nexus-7 tag 16:34:45 +1 on migrate faq to AU and delete from wiki 16:35:01 ogra, one follow up question 16:35:03 ogra, your comment above about timezone/language/etc is that if you reinstall/reflash, you will use oem-config, which prompts you for timezone, language, and creates a user account with your specifics, right? 16:35:22 kyleN_: correct 16:35:34 http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/nexus-7?sort=faq&pagesize=50 only has 8 FAQs 16:35:49 kyleN_, exactly 16:36:06 so sfeole, pls massage the wiki/AU faq situation 16:36:14 ogra_: I'll take that action item to add the remaining questions to that faq 16:36:23 i think chris was working on that 16:36:34 k 16:36:41 [action] sfeole to handle faq migration from wiki to askubuntu 16:36:41 * meetingology sfeole to handle faq migration from wiki to askubuntu 16:36:55 OK, so that's it for the agenda. 16:37:03 any comments/discussion/etc? 16:37:07 * ogra_ has some personal announcement .... 16:37:17 go for it 16:37:19 this is officially my last day ... 16:37:28 ... for this year :P 16:37:30 -1 16:37:36 +1 ;) 16:37:37 haha, 16:37:37 * ogra_ sees pale faces :) 16:37:44 ogra_: dont make me grab my heart medicine 16:37:45 kthx 16:37:52 I think all of freenode will be gone these next few weeks 16:37:54 i.e. i didnt take my vacation in a timely manner 16:37:57 picks up jaw and gets back into chair 16:38:13 but even though i'm vacating i'll largely be around 16:38:24 ogra_, why call it a vacation? :P 16:38:38 bcurtiswx, yeah, its more like a free month 16:38:40 So I will leave it to Alex Chiang to schedule this meeting respecting upcoming holdiay season 16:38:52 we can expect dholbach to announce as usual 16:39:04 dholbach is out today 16:39:06 right, the llast ten days everything is shut down anyway 16:39:20 we only have two of them before new year 16:39:48 ok, anything else? 16:40:12 ogra, and all, Happy Holidays! 16:40:16 going once... 16:40:20 heh, thx 16:40:35 going twice... 16:40:44 cheers and thx all 16:40:47 thanks kyleN_, you too! 16:40:47 #endmeeting