16:06:47 #startmeeting 16:06:48 Meeting started Wed Nov 14 16:06:47 2012 UTC. The chair is barry. 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Once you finish yours you get to pick who is next. 16:08:10 no worries, i'm done :) 16:08:10 Fixed crazy python-apt test failure. 16:08:10 Made intermittent progress on Secure Boot backports for 12.04.2. Still more to do. 16:08:13 Backported upstream fix for rare data corruption in cp/mv/install (bug 1073514). 16:08:15 Launchpad bug 1073514 in coreutils (Ubuntu Quantal) "cp, mv, install: data loss due to free memory read" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1073514 16:08:16 Tweaked raring images to include only a signed kernel, and generate the unsigned kernel from it. 16:08:19 Spent a good deal of time babysitting proposed-migration, image builds, and the like. The initial flood of minor problems seems to be tailing off now. 16:08:22 Working on a cross-autobuilder so that we can test armhf cross-building at scale; taking the opportunity to learn juju. Nothing to show just yet but I think I'm fairly close to having a working wanna-build charm. 16:08:25 * bdmurray waits 16:08:27 .. 16:08:29 *that's* better 16:08:33 Oh drat sorry Brian 16:08:52 go ahead :) 16:08:55 cjwatson: with or without forking/using sbuild charm? 16:09:02 SRU verification of bug 1067993 16:09:03 SRU uploads (lucid and precise) for unattended-upgrades bug 936870 16:09:03 sponsored SRU uploads for bug 1013798 (later rejected) 16:09:03 sponsored quantal, raring, precise, oneiric fixes for bug 875435 16:09:04 Launchpad bug 1067993 in vim (Ubuntu Raring) "Add 'raring' to the list of recognized Ubuntu release names" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1067993 16:09:08 Launchpad bug 936870 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu Precise) "unattended upgrade failing due to incorrectly detected conffile prompt due to "newconffile" line" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/936870 16:09:09 Launchpad bug 1013798 in libgcrypt11 (Ubuntu Quantal) "Blink SIP client segfaults with libgcrypt11 1.5.0-3ubuntu0.1" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1013798 16:09:10 Launchpad bug 875435 in OEM Priority Project precise "iBus indicator does not show on the panel" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/875435 16:09:12 reported bug 1076186 regarding ubuntu-release-upgrader 16:09:13 reported bug 1076472 regarding errors and bucket subscriptions 16:09:13 investigation into update-manager / u-r-u crash reporting process for dist-upgrades 16:09:14 Launchpad bug 1076186 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Quantal) "not possible to upgrade to raring" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076186 16:09:14 xnox: currently, using it with a minor tweak 16:09:15 Launchpad bug 1076472 in Errors "notifications regarding current bucket counts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076472 16:09:15 reported apport bug 1077253 regarding ExecutableTimestamp issue 16:09:16 Launchpad bug 1077253 in apport (Ubuntu) "possible for ExecutableTimestamp to not be for the binary in ExecutablePath" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077253 16:09:22 modifying bug bot to comment on pending SRUs still needing verification 16:09:22 updated SRU wiki page with self-verification information 16:09:22 updated meta-release-development with raring information 16:09:22 one holiday too 16:09:34 ⁂ done⁂ 16:09:36 cjwatson: ack. I had minor tweaks to it locally as well.... maybe I should push them somewhere. 16:09:53 xnox: +1 16:09:53 *shudder* winter UTF 16:10:16 xnox: mine is to install and configure the buildd package as well (which I haven't finished doing) 16:10:22 cjwatson: mine was to use $storage_location with default to /mnt as this were one usually gets the gigleybytes of scratch space. 16:10:41 I could use that, please pass me the patch :) 16:10:42 s/this were/this is where/ 16:10:52 i guess doko_ is up next? 16:11:13 ouch 16:11:27 I'll go last, lost in hacking ... 16:11:51 is ev around? 16:12:49 f...g...h...i... 16:13:03 igloo! 16:13:11 * ogra_ is happy to go, but i think jodh is first 16:13:21 * upstart: 16:13:21 * Wrote user sessions spec (comments welcome): 16:13:22 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/RaringUpstartUserSessions 16:13:22 * Updates to stateful re-exec branch after review comments (thanks slangasek) 16:13:25 * Final testing 16:13:28 * Preparing for 1.6 release 16:13:31 * investigating bug 1075976 16:13:33 Launchpad bug 1075976 in upstart (Ubuntu) "test-suite fails in autopkgtest environment" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1075976 16:13:34 * TODO 16:13:37 *** Upstart 1.6 release and raring upload 16:13:41 * precise SRU for bug 980917 16:13:42 Launchpad bug 980917 in upstart (Ubuntu Precise) "Failed to create pty - disabling logging for job [SRU]" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/980917 16:13:43 * start work on Enhanced User Sessions 16:13:46 ¡ 16:13:49 16:14:15 done: 16:14:15 * got a chromebook \o/, runs awesome with raring 16:14:15 * blocked on linux-nexus7 being stuck in new since a week 16:14:16 * blocked on completely missing arm livefs builder (seems to be hard to fix without taking all arm machines in the DC out of business) 16:14:16 * extended ac100-tarball-installer to support nexus7 (i'll rename it soon as well) 16:14:17 * fixed issues with live-build that i found with manually rolled images 16:14:19 * looked into plymouth breakage on devices that have i.e. console= or console=none on the kernel cmdline 16:14:22 todo: 16:14:24 * merges 16:14:26 * flash-kernel bugfixes 16:14:28 * finally get the nexus7 images going 16:14:30 * set up a regular meeting for discussing the remaining WIs of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-reduced-power-ram 16:14:35 .. 16:14:51 ogra_: me +1 on the meeting. 16:15:09 yeah, its a WI i have :) 16:15:11 - Networking 16:15:12 - Merged iproute from experimental as some people want the new upstream to try some bufferbloat fixes. 16:15:15 - Container 16:15:17 - Rebased staging branch on upstream master. 16:15:19 - Reviewed all outstandings merge proposals and bugs, now down to 0 MP and 0 bugs on github (sourceforge and launchpad are another story). 16:15:22 - Fixed daily builds. 16:15:25 - Split templates to a new lxc-templates package. 16:15:27 - Changed lxc-create to support being given the full path to a template. 16:15:30 - Completed switch to docbook2x for the manpage generation. 16:15:33 - Change upstream build to use -Wall -Werror and fixed outstanding warnings so that it builds fine on all supported Ubuntu versions. 16:15:36 - Post-UDS 16:15:38 - Did some spec drafting and dumped some remaining work items in some existing blueprints. 16:15:42 - QA Tracker 16:15:44 - Finished changes to support storing the manifest in the tracker and landed the changes. 16:15:47 - Updated ubuntu-archive-tools to use the upstream python-qatracker module, fix a bunch of bugs and be more consistent. 16:15:50 - Updated nusakan to post the Chinese images directly to the localized ISO tracker. 16:15:53 - Fixed the 404/403 handling that was the top crasher for the ISO tracker (though not user visible). 16:15:56 - Fixed high priority bug in the add_build code, will land later today. 16:15:59 - Started some optimization work for the tracker. 16:16:02 - TODO 16:16:04 - Doing some more optimization and bugfixes for the tracker. 16:16:07 - Some UI improvements for series/milestone on the tracker. 16:16:09 - Try to generate https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes from nusakan. 16:16:12 - Look at jodh's upstart specs. 16:16:15 (DONE) 16:16:30 bug 1068723 - would like to personally have some traction on this one 16:16:30 bug 669481 - needing oneiric sponsorship 16:16:31 bug 979003 - Status on SRU verification? 16:16:31 - Dealing with issues from other channels this week, nothing else needing 16:16:35 immediate Foundations attention. 16:16:37 Launchpad bug 1068723 in Precise Backports "Please backport pbuilder-scripts 17 (universe) from quantal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1068723 16:16:38 Launchpad bug 669481 in grub2 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Timeout should not be -1 if $recordfail" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/669481 16:16:40 Launchpad bug 979003 in eglibc (Ubuntu Oneiric) "libc incorrectly detects AVX support" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/979003 16:16:52 oh, and trying to fix this wireless issue with my laptop, posted on -tech if anyone is bored :\ 16:16:54 (done) 16:17:30 * xnox will take stokachu's requests. As I kind of missed my uds time pilot time. 16:17:35 the libc one is mainly for infinity, though not sure if he's doing that anymore 16:17:46 ack. 16:17:59 xnox: thanks :D 16:18:06 I don't think we have anyone in the foundations team that's also in the backports team? (if we do, I wouldn't mind someone reviewing my libseccomp backport ;)) 16:18:07 will try to do them today. 16:18:33 stgraber: I'll take a look 16:18:34 stgraber: well I was told, "if you follow the procedure, launchpad allows you to upload" 16:18:44 micahg: thanks 16:18:51 xnox: for grub2, could you please make sure it goes into lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu/oneiric/grub2/oneiric rather than lp:ubuntu/oneiric/grub2 16:18:53 micahg: it's a required build-dep for my future lxc backport 16:18:55 ? 16:19:00 cjwatson: sure. 16:19:00 Might involve extracting the patch and applying by hand 16:19:04 xnox: i *think* you're up next 16:19:15 ta 16:19:22 * doko and I dropped python3.2 from the archive (remaining package rebuilds) 16:19:22 * help track down ubiquity's eglibc/python3.3 breakage (thanks cjwatson & doko) 16:19:22 this also affected usb-creator (bug 1076305) 16:19:22 * python3 only on cd: 16:19:24 Launchpad bug 1076305 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "plat-x86_64-linux-gnu does not define limits.h variables any more" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076305 16:19:27 - drop ndiswrapper from seeds 16:19:30 - upload python3: pyasn1, usb-creator 16:19:31 those bugs aren't mine but if you have questions just let me know and ill talk to the right people 16:19:33 - port gnome-sudoku (bug 1078720) 16:19:35 Launchpad bug 1078720 in gnome-games (Ubuntu) "gnome-sudoku: port to python3" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078720 16:19:37 - concerned about python-reportlab, -imaging and hence hplip not 16:19:39 being ported. 16:19:42 * Merges: 16:19:45 hmm.... 16:20:24 * doko and I dropped python3.2 from the archive (remaining package rebuilds) 16:20:24 * help track down ubiquity's eglibc/python3.3 breakage (thanks cjwatson & doko) 16:20:24 this also affected usb-creator (bug 1076305) 16:20:25 * python3 only on cd: 16:20:25 - drop ndiswrapper from seeds 16:20:26 - upload python3: pyasn1, usb-creator 16:20:27 Launchpad bug 1076305 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "plat-x86_64-linux-gnu does not define limits.h variables any more" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076305 16:20:28 - port gnome-sudoku (bug 1078720) 16:20:30 - concerned about python-reportlab, -imaging and hence hplip not 16:20:32 being ported. 16:20:34 * Merges: 16:20:36 - some (my TIL) partman-* 16:20:38 - autofs, cryptsetup, btrfs-tools, shadow (stuck in proposed on bug 1077484) 16:20:39 Launchpad bug 1077484 in shadow (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libsemanage (shadow's rdep to continue SELinux support in shadow)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077484 16:20:40 * Devices FS: 16:20:42 - include nilfs modules in the initramfs, helps with root on 16:20:44 nilfs. (bug 771736) 16:20:46 Launchpad bug 771736 in nilfs-tools (Ubuntu) "please include nilfs2 in hook-functions" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771736 16:20:46 - tested and uploaded android-tools-fsutils for sparse image 16:20:48 generation 16:20:50 - packaged flashbench (bug 1078488) linaro's utility that helps 16:20:51 xnox: wasn't there a work item to see if reportlab can be dropped from task:ubuntu-desktop? 16:20:51 Launchpad bug 1078488 in Ubuntu "flashbench" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078488 16:20:52 discovering flash media alignment to improve filesystem alignment 16:20:56 and I/O performance on eMMC / SD / usb-sticks. 16:20:58 - pulled f2fs patches into ubuntu-kernel fork and asked ogasawara to 16:21:00 build f2fs kernels for x86 & arm (panda, ac100, nexus7) for 16:21:02 benchmarking against nilfs. Idea is to improve boot speed & 16:21:04 performance on nexus7. (not sure if I can build it as dkms module?!) 16:21:06 * Ongoing design discussions around ubiquity UX concepts 16:21:08 * bug fixing from ubiquity usability mini-study (3 participants) 16:21:10 * Drafting blueprints / fixing up work items. 16:21:22 barry: i think it was merely a request from doko at the session. not sure if it was put down as a work-item. 16:21:23 * ogra_ wonders if xnox works to close to ev recently 16:21:47 Streber ;-P 16:21:54 xnox: nod. i'll take a look again at the spec 16:22:08 ogra_: well.... ev was missing, so I had to make up. 16:22:28 heh 16:22:33 doko_: ? 16:22:38 - rebuilds to drop python3.2 extensions 16:22:38 - split out libstdc++-dev packages in gcc 16:22:38 - let g++ search in multiarch directories 16:22:38 - gcc linaro merge 16:22:38 - build some x32 packages 16:22:39 - merges 16:22:41 - run an archive scan to search for asm files (arm64 prep work for kiko) 16:22:43 - fix my desktop computer, new hard disk and additional ram 16:22:45 - started working on python3-imaging 16:22:49 (done) 16:23:00 interesting =)))) 16:23:30 doko_, xnox thanks for the 3.2 drop! 16:23:41 doko_: sell python3-imaging port to reportlab ;-) 16:23:51 yes, please :) 16:24:10 did we miss anybody who's here today? 16:24:15 not yet done, I'll wait for the pillow 1.8 release 16:24:24 more rdeps? 16:25:04 #topic bugs 16:25:36 bdmurray: what have you got for us today? 16:26:03 well bug 1077267 could use a better home but I'm not sure where 16:26:05 Launchpad bug 1077267 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Setting language localization doesn't set system-wide" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077267 16:27:04 soz 16:28:19 ogra_: on the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 there are a couple of failed kernel upgrades on ac100 16:28:36 ev: wanna give us your update? 16:28:40 xnox, yeah, i just added a fix for that today 16:28:56 xnox, sadly it isnt backportable without respinning the images 16:29:02 (for 12.10) 16:29:03 bdmurray: i added a comment on the bug, but don't really know of a better place for it 16:29:06 also bug 1075422... I could cherry pick the patch, but then I'll be TIL.... who is merging initramfs-tools? last one was cherry pick, not merge. 16:29:08 Launchpad bug 1075422 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "unable to read /tmp/mkinitramfs_*" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1075422 16:30:10 barry: sure 16:30:12 xnox, workaround for the ac100 ones is sudo apt-get install abootimg 16:30:23 - Further debugging on juju rabbitmq issues: 16:30:23 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2012-November/001998.html 16:30:24 Clint mentioned on IRC that he thinks it's a juju issue. Started talking 16:30:24 through it with Kapil, who's kindly looking into it. 16:30:24 - Wrote an anatomy of a crash section to the error tracker specification as 16:30:24 part of https://bugs.launchpad.net/errors/+bug/1078393. 16:30:24 - Looking into using LXC under juju. Unfortunately this is far too slow in my 16:30:25 development VM. 16:30:25 - Uploaded fix for bug 993056 to Raring, working on Precise and Quantal now. 16:30:26 - More Ubuntu shop USB key nightmares. 16:30:26 (done) 16:30:26 and then re-run update-initramfs 16:30:28 Launchpad bug 1078393 in Errors "We could do better at the "typo test"" [Undecided,New] 16:30:31 Launchpad bug 993056 in activity-log-manager (Ubuntu Quantal) ""Privacy" > "Diagnostics" > "Send error reports" can't be turned on or off" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/993056 16:31:23 ogra_: hmm... can we make abootimg a pre-depend on the ac100 kernel package of something? 16:31:49 xnox, the tarball installer installs it, but it didnt mark it as manually installed until today 16:32:03 USB key> not again. what happened this time? 16:32:07 so update-manager removes it on release upgrades 16:32:36 * xnox is sad 16:32:39 todays upload fixes that, but backporting wont help unless we would respin ac100 12.10 16:32:49 no thanks. 16:32:56 since the traball installer is only used during unpacking 16:33:10 and removes itself at the end 16:34:11 bdmurray: any other bugs to look at? 16:34:39 yes bug 1077551 seems rather serious 16:34:42 Launchpad bug 1077551 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "Installing Machinarium removes the desktop" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077551 16:34:54 its not really incomplete as ted has replied 16:36:11 * xnox wonders if Machinarium is something that is used in manufacturing nightmare usb sticks shipped to ev. 16:36:14 but nothing jumped out at me 16:36:52 cool 16:36:54 #topic aob 16:37:08 xnox: mostly just suppliers ignoring our instructions 16:37:20 ev: *sigh* 16:37:26 totes 16:37:58 fwiw, i have one desktop on raring already, though not my main dev box yet. upgrade went w/o a hitch and everything is running smoothly so far. i love the new workflow. 16:38:29 anybody have anything today? 16:38:35 * ogra_ upgraded the chromebook to raring without any flaws but known plymouth issues 16:38:59 can the nexus7 run raring? 16:39:02 my main machine, dev machine and pandaboards are all on raring, haven't seen anything blow up yet, though I just got a new kernel that I haven't booted yet :) 16:39:05 and i didnt notice that i'm running llvmpipe for the whole weekend ! 16:39:17 it *that* powerful 16:39:19 I think I'm one branch away from being able to remove delayed copies from LP, and then probably actually being able to understand the copy code 16:39:21 *it's 16:39:38 barry, it should if you make sure none of the PPA packages get upgraded 16:39:48 ogra_: can i run llvmpipe on panda? 16:39:52 ogra_: gotcha, thanks 16:39:56 * xnox has some compiz/ubiquity work. 16:39:57 oh yes, I need to get round to upgrading to raring 16:40:02 BTW I'm on leave tomorrow 16:40:04 xnox, i thik steve tried that and was very unhappy with it 16:40:13 cjwatson: will that have a noticable effect for packages moving raring-proposed -> raring? 16:40:27 ogra_: that means it should be ok for me. as I'm not doing the whole desktop just the ubiquity. 16:40:31 xnox, slideshow with fast moving mouse pointer or so 16:40:51 barry: no, delayed copies aren't used there 16:40:54 xnox, why use llvmpipe for ubiquity at all ? it doesnt require 3D 16:41:03 *cough* 16:41:12 that sounds like artificially slow it down on purpose 16:41:20 *slowing 16:41:21 it'll just be ~1100 lines less code for anyone trying to work out what LP is doing there 16:41:59 ogra_: well..... drop unneeded packages, plus it's targeted at devices where whe know where compiz is available and fast. 16:42:01 cjwatson: removed code is the best code! 16:42:14 xnox, its not 16:42:20 thats why we have llvmpipe 16:42:28 xnox: well, FWIW I intend to seed metacity on all Ubuntu installs as the fallback WM when running dist-upgrades :) 16:42:30 ogra_: that. 16:43:00 you'll need to keep non 3D anyway for the flavours 16:43:09 hm, I tend to feel ubiquity should use compiz if it's available *and fast* (maybe unity_support_test?) but should retain support for metacty 16:43:12 *metacity 16:43:16 stgraber: ogra_ : i don't know. basically ubiquity-dm does not support compiz as the window-manager. who will ship what where is not my business =) they can seed it in or out if they want to. 16:43:25 cjwatson, ++ 16:43:40 cjwatson: agreed 16:43:43 after all it has support for a zillion other things; adding compiz support won't break the bank 16:43:55 * xnox was only going to add compiz as an optional backend. not dropping metacity any time soon. 16:44:06 ah 16:44:15 it sounded like 16:44:28 but llvmpipe in a vm is... well not the quickest =) 16:44:36 i just think metacity > llvmpipe 16:44:50 anyway.... barry #endmeeting? =) 16:44:57 we shouldnt even think about iusing it if possible :) 16:45:01 xnox: yeah, i was enjoying the conversation :) 16:45:08 #endmeeting