#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by s-fox at 18:00:14 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-20-18.00.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Ubuntu Forums FC meeting *Tutorials and Tips Forum - followup *Upgrade update ;) *layout change followup *New User Restriction ''ACTION:'' coffeecat and Iowan to make the restrictions changes happen and update bits and pieces (s-fox, 18:17:04) *create stickies for agenda items *new presumed spammer usergroup ''ACTION:'' coffeecat and elfy to add the new group (s-fox, 18:25:39) ''ACTION:'' s-fox to sort the loco out (s-fox, 18:27:08) *ubuntu forums ubuntu membership application ''ACTION:'' elfy = ml (s-fox, 18:39:22) ''ACTION:'' cariboo907 = fc report (s-fox, 18:40:49) ''ACTION:'' Iowan = ubuntu membership launchpad stuff (s-fox, 18:41:42) ''ACTION:'' s-fox = ubuntu planet forums update report thing (s-fox, 18:42:50) ''ACTION:'' elfy = welcome pm (s-fox, 18:43:02) Meeting ended at 18:52:36 UTC. == Votes == * create stickes for agenda items in public For: 5 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 * introduce the new presumed spammer usergroup For: 5 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 * change permissions on T&T thread as outlined by coffeecat ? For: 5 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 * cortman for ubuntu forums membership For: 5 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 * adjust restrictions as outlined in the discussion thread? For: 5 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 * hold fc meeting on 3rd sat of every month. 18:00 UTC For: 5 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 == Action items == * coffeecat and Iowan to make the restrictions changes happen and update bits and pieces * coffeecat and elfy to add the new group * s-fox to sort the loco out * elfy = ml * cariboo907 = fc report * Iowan = ubuntu membership launchpad stuff * s-fox = ubuntu planet forums update report thing * elfy = welcome pm == Action items, by person == * cariboo907 ** cariboo907 = fc report * coffeecat ** coffeecat and Iowan to make the restrictions changes happen and update bits and pieces ** coffeecat and elfy to add the new group * elfy ** coffeecat and elfy to add the new group ** elfy = ml ** elfy = welcome pm * Iowan ** coffeecat and Iowan to make the restrictions changes happen and update bits and pieces ** Iowan = ubuntu membership launchpad stuff * s-fox ** s-fox to sort the loco out ** s-fox = ubuntu planet forums update report thing == People present (lines said) == * s-fox (149) * elfy (89) * meetingology (72) * Iowan (43) * cariboo907 (32) * coffeecat (32) * cortman (22) * Celene (4) * popey (1) == Full Log == 18:00:14 #startmeeting 18:00:14 Meeting started Sat Oct 20 18:00:14 2012 UTC. The chair is s-fox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 18:00:14 18:00:14 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 18:00:30 #voters coffeecat cariboo907 elfy Iowan s-fox 18:00:30 Current voters: Iowan cariboo907 coffeecat elfy s-fox 18:00:49 #topic Ubuntu Forums FC meeting 18:01:52 #topic Tutorials and Tips Forum - followup 18:02:28 we tried to get this sorted in the last meeting, but we needed more discussion. we went and did that and now i think we are ready to go 18:02:35 this is coffeecat s item, so you go :) 18:03:12 I think the thread says it all: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2061708 18:03:55 for the benefit of non staff members can I pecise what we talked about 18:04:00 We can adjust permissions of the old T&T forum to allow posting to old threads but not new ones for a transition period. 18:04:03 i personally am in support of changing the posting permissions 18:04:40 +1 from me too, I thought it was already done :) 18:04:55 alright, anyone mind if we skip to the vote? 18:05:03 I have no real opinion, but will support 18:05:06 i want to keep things moving and not stalled ;) 18:05:30 OK here 18:05:33 OK 18:05:36 +1 to that 18:05:37 +1 18:05:39 #vote change permissions on T&T thread as outlined by coffeecat ? 18:05:39 Please vote on: change permissions on T&T thread as outlined by coffeecat ? 18:05:39 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 18:05:43 +1 18:05:43 +1 received from s-fox 18:05:45 +1 18:05:45 +1 received from coffeecat 18:05:46 +1 18:05:46 +1 received from cariboo907 18:05:47 +1 18:05:47 +1 received from elfy 18:05:52 +1 18:05:52 +1 received from Iowan 18:06:00 #endvote 18:06:00 Voting ended on: change permissions on T&T thread as outlined by coffeecat ? 18:06:00 Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 18:06:00 Motion carried 18:06:04 woot :D 18:06:09 :) 18:06:10 Yay 18:06:14 next... 18:06:30 next item is the upgrade. 18:06:49 AFAIK the plugin is done and some kind of launchpad permissions thing is the blocker 18:06:56 anyone know anymore than i do about it? 18:07:05 well that's quite straight forward s-fox 18:07:35 waiting for IS to deal with 12.10 before they do more 18:07:47 IF it is working properly, I should be able to get the license number from kylebaker 18:07:58 but it'sa lot closer than it was 18:08:19 hmm, okay. maybe one of us should ping jorge? 18:08:41 i don't want to seem pushy or anything but we were here first and we're nearly finally ready 18:09:02 I can talk to IS next week s-fox 18:09:08 thanks elfy 18:09:12 move on ? 18:09:13 Do we need to pre-warn/involve TV for the theming? 18:09:24 would like to see lay of land afore I move to whining 18:09:27 coffeecat: we can test that in the test forum 18:09:29 coffeecat, pass. wouldn't be a bad idea to keep in the loop 18:09:56 Yes, it might happen all very quickly and the theme break! :) 18:09:58 indeed 18:10:02 just realised something... 18:10:04 I'll save questions/comments about "beans" for later 18:10:08 #topic Upgrade update ;) 18:10:13 lol 18:10:39 i am going to move on anyway... 18:10:53 #topic layout change followup 18:11:07 coffeecat and elfy have done a great job moving things around. thank you! 18:11:14 it seems a lot more logical now 18:11:18 +1 from me 18:11:23 anything to add? 18:11:25 Spring clean time! Great fun. :) 18:11:34 it also seems to be easier to add sub-forums 18:11:39 Is that gonna mess up my GM scripts? 18:11:50 hope not Iowan 18:11:50 it has.. i am working on a fix for the move script Iowan 18:12:07 it's mess mine too - not done so yet 18:12:31 i hit a little issue and then was rather unwell so hopefully will get on top of it soon 18:12:45 moving on... 18:12:57 #topic New User Restriction 18:13:10 would like to talk to you about the scripts at some point s-fox 18:13:19 alright elfy can do :) 18:13:25 k 18:13:44 users restrictions is an easy one too 18:13:52 vote? 18:13:55 now that we have made us a little more spam proof there has been talk of lowering some of the post counts needed to unlock the cp 18:14:03 propose dropping level - gioven we can change when we need to 18:14:14 without coming to a meeting to do it 18:14:21 i think it has been discussed by the team at length and generally we agree so time to vote... 18:14:27 Threads/ welcome message will need to be changed 18:14:34 yep 18:14:38 naturally, but that is easy 18:14:44 yep 18:14:46 Iowan: I had foreseen that 18:15:01 easily fixed 18:15:08 yea 18:15:09 #vote adjust restrictions as outlined in the discussion thread? 18:15:09 Please vote on: adjust restrictions as outlined in the discussion thread? 18:15:09 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 18:15:12 +1 18:15:12 +1 received from s-fox 18:15:14 +1 18:15:14 +1 received from cariboo907 18:15:14 +1 18:15:14 +1 received from Iowan 18:15:16 +1 18:15:16 +1 received from elfy 18:15:17 There's the error message to - you don't ahve 50 beans - easily changed. 18:15:18 +1 18:15:18 +1 received from coffeecat 18:15:27 #endvote 18:15:27 Voting ended on: adjust restrictions as outlined in the discussion thread? 18:15:27 Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 18:15:27 Motion carried 18:15:35 excellent :) 18:15:39 Whew - that was tough 18:15:43 really close 18:15:44 lol 18:15:48 :) 18:15:55 and a nice one to pass too 18:15:57 who wants to volunteer to make the changes? 18:16:10 o/ 18:16:15 okay :) 18:16:15 I'll do that _ i need to edit my sticky. 18:16:30 lol, you guys can sort it out between you? 18:16:36 Or Iowan instead 18:16:37 we could do that and the restr at the same time perhaps 18:16:38 ure... 18:16:38 ! 18:16:58 (s) 18:17:02 :) 18:17:04 #action coffeecat and Iowan to make the restrictions changes happen and update bits and pieces 18:17:04 * meetingology coffeecat and Iowan to make the restrictions changes happen and update bits and pieces 18:17:10 ;D 18:17:16 moving on.... 18:17:38 #topic create stickies for agenda items 18:17:46 thoughts on somewhere for users to at leat talk about agenda items - maybe a forum/thread and some stickies in the support forums (closed) - suggest a sub forum in FFH - stickies in suppport and cafe - no trolling - more or less instaban - lets look for actually productive discourse from people if they want to join in - productive can be negative - if it is in fact looking to move things on 18:17:53 ... 18:17:53 that ^^ 18:18:16 yep those ... 18:18:52 I'm all for it, as it makes things a little more open for the membership 18:19:09 i think it is also good to have somewhere publicly accessible and not hidden away in areas not generally viewable 18:19:13 as long as we don't over-sticky 18:19:14 me too - unsurprisingly lol 18:19:33 Iowan: do you think that piskie would over sticky lol 18:19:37 anyone mind going to a vote? 18:19:44 vote 18:19:46 I'll be looking for ones to remove :) 18:19:50 vote 18:19:54 me too 18:20:00 vote 18:20:02 #vote create stickes for agenda items in public 18:20:02 Please vote on: create stickes for agenda items in public 18:20:02 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 18:20:04 +1 18:20:04 +1 received from s-fox 18:20:06 +1 18:20:06 +1 received from cariboo907 18:20:08 + 18:20:10 +1 18:20:10 +1 received from coffeecat 18:20:11 +1 18:20:11 +1 received from elfy 18:20:11 +1 18:20:11 +1 received from Iowan 18:20:20 #endvote 18:20:20 Voting ended on: create stickes for agenda items in public 18:20:20 Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 18:20:20 Motion carried 18:20:24 Nice one :) 18:20:32 ain't we all agreeable today... 18:20:36 my lord - things being done :) 18:20:36 another yay from me :) 18:20:47 right...next topic... 18:21:00 #topic new presumed spammer usergroup 18:21:11 thats about right coffeecat ? 18:21:21 Yep 18:21:26 we're making a good guess at a spammer 18:21:26 I suggest "Banned Presumptive Spammers". Near the top of the drop-down for usergroup change then. 18:21:36 admins only 18:21:50 thats true 18:22:02 dealing with promotions at a later date 18:22:07 snce only staff can see group, you can call it whatever 18:22:13 * s-fox nods 18:22:19 yes - hence "presumtpive" 18:22:26 *presumptive* 18:22:29 Iowan: do my suggestion is ok then :P 18:22:36 i think it is worth trying, the pros and cons seem fairly well documented 18:22:45 thanks for that btw coffeecat 18:22:47 elfy: ??? 18:23:57 right, anyone mind going to a vote ? 18:24:05 vote 18:24:11 yep 18:24:24 +1 - early? 18:24:34 #vote introduce the new presumed spammer usergroup 18:24:34 Please vote on: introduce the new presumed spammer usergroup 18:24:34 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 18:24:37 +1 18:24:37 +1 received from s-fox 18:24:39 +1 18:24:39 +1 received from cariboo907 18:24:40 +1 18:24:40 +1 received from coffeecat 18:24:42 +1 18:24:42 +1 received from Iowan 18:24:44 Iowan: early? 18:24:49 +1 18:24:49 +1 received from elfy 18:24:59 #endvote 18:24:59 Voting ended on: introduce the new presumed spammer usergroup 18:24:59 Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 18:24:59 Motion carried 18:25:09 who wants to create the new usergroup ? 18:25:13 * Iowan +1'd the vote idea 18:25:18 coffeecat ? 18:25:22 elfy, and I can do that. 18:25:26 alright :) 18:25:39 #action coffeecat and elfy to add the new group 18:25:39 * meetingology coffeecat and elfy to add the new group 18:25:41 s-fox: coffeecat and I can do that and any of the other stuff 18:25:55 oh good glad I was there to agree :p 18:26:00 lol 18:26:02 :P 18:26:02 :) 18:26:09 i have an item that is not on the agenda 18:26:21 as do I 18:26:22 npe ;) 18:26:23 i see someone wants a loco creating... i'll sort it out 18:26:30 really? 18:26:34 yes, really 18:26:50 go look and you'll see it 18:26:51 yeap - seen it 18:27:08 #action s-fox to sort the loco out 18:27:08 * meetingology s-fox to sort the loco out 18:27:16 what is your item elfy ? 18:27:39 just new forum Ubuntu members 18:28:05 why do we need one? 18:28:11 what is it for? :) 18:28:22 to make up the numbers lol 18:28:38 ? 18:28:55 serious head - guy has done an enormous amount of work 18:29:15 for the forum and the community wiki 18:29:38 well worth the badge in my opinion 18:29:40 o/ forum members is fixed agenda item anyway 18:29:59 didn't know that coffeecat 18:30:11 oh i misread what you posted elfy . lol 18:30:19 i thought you were suggesting a dedicated subforum 18:30:22 >.< 18:30:23 lol 18:30:52 alright, can we move on ? 18:30:58 cortman, are you here ? 18:30:58 yea 18:30:59 please 18:31:14 Indeed I am. 18:31:18 s-fox: we'll talk about the sub forum 18:31:24 elfy, k 18:31:29 one last chance to back out... 18:31:35 lol 18:31:35 o/ 18:31:37 #topic ubuntu forums ubuntu membership application 18:32:02 i see cortman is applying for membership 18:32:16 can you tell us a little more about yourself please? :) 18:32:30 Well, 18:32:39 I've been on the forums pretty regularly for a year now 18:32:46 Actually a year today if I recall correctly. :) 18:33:02 I've tried to help out (it's been a learning process) on the forums and also on the Forum Wiki Team 18:33:36 Not much else to me, I suppose, lol. 18:33:41 thanks :) 18:33:47 The Forum Wiki Team work has been enjoyable- I've been glad to be part of that process. 18:33:51 ^especially. 18:34:00 it has been super busy moving things around 18:34:06 cortman: so can you say how well you've done in transcribing threads to wiki's 18:34:12 Oh, nothingspecial thinks I should add that I'm also active in IRC as well, mainly in #ubuntuforums. 18:34:20 so any help with that always goes down well 18:34:28 Well, I've tried to do my part elfy lol 18:34:51 cortman: or rather - how you've managed to deal with the team 18:35:04 while others have been off doing other things 18:35:23 Well, yes, in Wild Man's absence I've been trying to take up the slack- he's a real workhorse on that. 18:35:30 yep 18:35:52 alright, i think i am ready to vote. not sure on the others? coffeecat cariboo907 Iowan elfy ? 18:35:52 I'm hoping to get more involved in maintaining the community wiki as well 18:36:07 Ok for vote here. 18:36:17 I am 18:36:18 +1 for a vote 18:36:22 please 18:36:34 #vote cortman for ubuntu forums membership 18:36:34 Please vote on: cortman for ubuntu forums membership 18:36:34 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 18:36:38 +1 18:36:38 +1 received from cariboo907 18:36:39 +1 18:36:39 +1 received from coffeecat 18:36:40 +1 18:36:40 +1 received from s-fox 18:36:42 +1 18:36:43 +1 18:36:43 +1 received from elfy 18:36:47 +1 18:36:47 +1 received from Iowan 18:36:54 #endvote 18:36:54 Voting ended on: cortman for ubuntu forums membership 18:36:54 Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 18:36:54 Motion carried 18:36:59 congrats cortman :) 18:37:06 thanks s-fox :) 18:37:07 Celene, lol. i restricted voting at the start ;) 18:37:16 It's an honor- thanks to you all! :) 18:37:23 s-fox: :D 18:37:27 COngrats cortman :) 18:37:31 welcome cortman 18:37:34 thought elfy said I could vote in the membership. 18:37:43 Congrats cortman 18:37:44 Thank you coffeecat 18:37:48 And cariboo907 :) 18:37:53 and elfy :) 18:37:54 you do us the honour cortman 18:38:06 Celene, can we pick that up later? :) 18:38:08 cookies/pies? 18:38:12 Wow, I wouldn't say that, but thanks much elfy :) 18:38:14 like tomorrow or something? 18:38:19 lol 18:38:20 There'll be a lot of work once we close the T&T forum! ;-) 18:38:40 alright, last item is division of labour or "who wants to do what" 18:38:47 coffeecat: cortman is well aware ;) 18:38:53 :) 18:38:54 What can I mess up this month? 18:38:55 any volunteers for the ml ? 18:38:57 lol yeah./ 18:39:12 I'll take that s-fox 18:39:18 thanks elfy 18:39:22 #action elfy = ml 18:39:22 * meetingology elfy = ml 18:39:23 I can keep on doing what I was if no one else wants to do it 18:39:40 who wants the report, i did it last time and fixed a few bugs... 18:39:55 i can show someone how to do it if it'd help 18:39:55 I'll do the report 18:39:56 cariboo907: s'ok I will take the caolface this month 18:40:01 or i could do it all again ? 18:40:13 okay cariboo907, thanks! 18:40:16 do you know the setup ? 18:40:24 hi popey 18:40:47 hello elfy 18:40:49 #action cariboo907 = fc report 18:40:49 * meetingology cariboo907 = fc report 18:40:59 s-fox, I've done it once already 18:41:05 :) 18:41:13 okay cariboo907 , if you need any help or whatever ping me :) 18:41:14 I'll try to get cortman added to membership 18:41:18 cool 18:41:27 ah thanks Iowan 18:41:28 #iowan = ubuntu membership launchpad stuff 18:41:32 will do s-fox 18:41:32 gah 18:41:39 Iowan: I can do that and would want to 18:41:42 #action Iowan = ubuntu membership launchpad stuff 18:41:42 * meetingology Iowan = ubuntu membership launchpad stuff 18:41:48 >:) 18:41:49 bah 18:41:53 humbug 18:41:54 elfy: OK! 18:41:58 :) 18:42:13 who's doing the welcome pm? 18:42:16 o/ for welcome message - I miss the spam pm's.! 18:42:29 i'll concede this month 18:42:31 um, last month someone (not me ;)) forgot to put a version on ubuntu planet so i'll do that 18:42:40 I'd like to do that Iowan if that's ok 18:42:50 #action s-fox = ubuntu planet forums update report thing 18:42:50 * meetingology s-fox = ubuntu planet forums update report thing 18:43:02 #action elfy = welcome pm 18:43:02 * meetingology elfy = welcome pm 18:43:05 anything else? 18:43:06 s-fox: version on forum is 7.04 18:43:13 is thjat right lol 18:43:17 hah 18:43:24 :) 18:43:32 we all have faves lol 18:43:59 Who wants to be the mean person in the RC? 18:44:01 fyi, i am going to put something about halloween into the planet post, get some of the community involved with avatars 18:44:09 * s-fox can be mean 18:44:12 >:) 18:44:18 * cariboo907 too 18:44:21 mwhaha 18:44:25 Do we need a first responder in the RC. Whoever is around? 18:44:35 oh yeah, that is a good point 18:44:38 I usually try to watch 18:44:44 i know kiwi is pretty good at that too with his tz 18:44:49 I can be early UK responder 18:44:49 I thought elfy took the lead on that last month 18:45:07 yea - but I need to get some to deal with 18:45:19 /o 18:45:21 i personally thought it was "first to arrive, or who has the time" 18:45:24 one more thing 18:45:43 s-fox, that works for me 18:45:56 s-fox: that sounds good - as long as there is no self modding 18:46:10 +1 to no self modding 18:46:24 that's a given isn't it? 18:46:32 but we all know that anyway 18:46:39 what is the other thing elfy ? 18:47:09 hurry up elfy , it's almost lunch time :) 18:47:22 :) 18:47:28 sorry 18:47:32 i want to go down the pub... ;) 18:47:35 wandered off 18:47:42 o.0 18:48:04 forget it - next month 18:48:15 ooh - got it 18:48:19 so 18:49:07 meetings - sat seems good atm - any reason why we don't carry on = 3rd sat of the monthg 18:49:11 s/g 18:49:29 reminder=good 18:49:31 oh, works for me 18:49:42 Works for me too 18:50:01