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14:00:46 <balloons> alright, roll call time
14:00:53 <balloons> i'll raise my own hand :-)
14:00:54 <smartboyhw> \o
14:01:03 <phillw> \o
14:01:06 <balloons> \o
14:01:07 <smartboyhw> Who is on the namelist?
14:02:08 <smartboyhw> Oh sorry:)
14:02:29 <xnox> \o
14:02:59 <balloons> alright, we shall dive into the agenda
14:03:11 <smartboyhw> :)
14:03:21 <balloons> [TOPIC] Previous Actions
14:03:40 * balloons balloons to follow-up with ubuntu-qa website changes
14:04:09 <balloons> I actually have news on this. We can change the theme in launchpad, and the admin will redploy
14:04:10 <njin> \�
14:04:21 <smartboyhw> Yeah
14:04:32 <balloons> sadly I can't get the update I want for wordpress, but this will still work
14:04:50 <balloons> It's on my to-do list, but volunteers are welcome to pitch in here
14:05:03 <smartboyhw> wordpress?
14:05:09 <balloons> need to be able to use lp and bzr.. the change is basic html
14:05:13 <smartboyhw> I don´t understand balloons
14:05:42 <balloons> smartboyhw, wordpress is a the engine running the site
14:05:52 <smartboyhw> OK I get it
14:05:57 <smartboyhw> phillw can do that I think
14:05:59 * balloons balloons to fix regex on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
14:06:05 * smartboyhw is not using any ubuntu system for now...
14:06:12 <balloons> That's done, regex is all fixed up now
14:06:21 <phillw> i saw, thanks :)
14:06:26 <balloons> I believe that's it for previous actions
14:06:28 <smartboyhw> Thx
14:06:28 <balloons> anything else?
14:07:12 <TheLordOfTime> \o
14:07:14 <TheLordOfTime> (late attendance)
14:07:24 <smartboyhw> That´s a lot of people today
14:07:40 <balloons> ok, moving on to more exciting things
14:07:51 <smartboyhw> :)
14:07:52 <balloons> [TOPIC]  Ubuntu Updates
14:08:17 <balloons> the big excitement this week is the testcase work going on
14:08:17 <smartboyhw> Is it that Beta 2 Freeze and DocumentationStringFreeze is tmr?
14:08:23 <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates
14:09:54 <balloons> the goal is to have the testcases for flavors and other leftover tests all pushed into the tracker this week
14:10:08 <balloons> in support of the efforts, a new version of the tracker with some nice improvements is also landing
14:10:59 <balloons> it will have collapsible testcases, date filtering for reports, and will allow us to use variables in our testcases to support multiple flavors better
14:11:37 <balloons> beta2 testing will be next week, and as mentioned, the doc and string freeze along with beta2 freeze is happening tomorrow
14:12:12 <balloons> I would expect the first candidate images this Friday/Monday for beta2 as usual
14:12:37 <balloons> after the beta2 release, the RC (and testing!) comes quickly so get ready
14:13:09 <balloons> Also, I sent some things to the list about new stuff landing in quantal
14:13:46 <balloons> new dash's, new beta drivers for graphics and some other things.. read the archives if your interested in seeing what's still trickling in :-)
14:13:47 <balloons> any questions or further comments on what's going on in ubuntu?
14:14:23 <smartboyhw> len-dt: \o
14:14:27 <smartboyhw> Sorry
14:14:39 <smartboyhw> I want to \o and accidentally pinged one of the Studio guys
14:14:45 <smartboyhw> balloons: Have question
14:14:50 <balloons> smartboyhw, go ahead
14:15:14 <smartboyhw> Migration of legacy testcases to isotracker testcases
14:16:06 <smartboyhw> Does that mean only changing words which are ¨Ubuntu¨ or ¨Xubuntu¨ to like ¨Ubuntu Studio¨?
14:16:37 <smartboyhw> ..
14:16:37 <balloons> smartboyhw, no you don't need to change the testcase for something so simple
14:16:55 <smartboyhw> balloons: So what exactly does Migration of legacy testcases to isotracker testcases mean?
14:16:58 <balloons> the new version of the tracker is allowing us to use a variable to replace the 'ubuntu' string
14:17:22 <balloons> so what you can do is simply create a testsuite for ubuntu studio, and assign the needed testcases to it
14:17:38 <balloons> let's take a look quickly as an example
14:17:38 <smartboyhw> Ah that is easy, so I do it in the sandbox?
14:18:00 <balloons> so ubuntu studio only releases dvd's
14:18:05 <balloons> and there are 2 testcases
14:18:06 <smartboyhw> Yes only
14:18:12 <smartboyhw> Uh huh
14:18:15 <balloons> you need to create a testsuite and add those 2 testcases to it
14:18:26 <smartboyhw> In sandbox or real ISO tracker?
14:18:34 <balloons> then I'll assign the testsuite to ubuntu studio and you'll be set
14:18:45 <balloons> you'll need to do it on prod, obviously, once your ready
14:18:57 * smartboyhw now goes doing it
14:19:07 <balloons> ok, anything else?
14:19:32 <balloons> [TOPIC] Other topics
14:19:46 <balloons> Ok, we do have a few items to discuss under other topics
14:20:07 <balloons> First up is the update-manager bug -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563
14:20:08 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1046563 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager never appears on lubuntu precise" [Undecided,Confirmed]
14:20:35 <balloons> I've seen the bug firsthand. We'll need to chat with michael voigt or someone else who understands the update-manager in more detail
14:21:08 <phillw> thanks, it is an issue if peoplel are not getting things like security updates.
14:21:14 <balloons> if anyone is familar with python, I don't think debugging it would be *that* hard.. I have played around with it before, but sadly I don't know any specific debugging techniques
14:21:42 <balloons> phillw, ohh.. yes, look, it affects precise
14:22:10 <balloons> I didn't realize that
14:22:28 <phillw> yeah, after putting in 12.04.1 stuff on.
14:22:28 <balloons> in that case, I would push it up through lubuntu channels to your security contacts if possible
14:23:06 <phillw> Julien is on a well earned vacation, so we're a bit on the ground a.t.m.
14:23:15 <phillw> *bit thin*
14:23:23 <balloons> if we can confirm it's that serious and affecting precise, I'll work with your right after this to push it harder
14:23:34 * balloons thought it was a quantal bug
14:23:46 <phillw> no such luck :(
14:23:50 <balloons> [TOPIC] Power PC fail to build
14:24:05 <bikefridaywalter> yay :(
14:24:16 <smartboyhw> ...
14:24:18 <phillw> o/
14:24:20 <balloons> ok, so I've heard some success and some failure, but there certainly are some powerpc bugs affecting some lubuntu users
14:24:23 <balloons> phillw, go ahead
14:25:58 <phillw> Adam has spent quite some time herding bugs into some sort of reason so that they can be followed. As I only got that email about 6 hours ago, I've replied asking him to give some additional guidance to the L-QA ppc testers.
14:26:23 <phillw> you will see his name crawling on the bugs.
14:26:38 <phillw> (ojordan)
14:27:07 <bikefridaywalter> of course with oversized images that makes for certain difficulties: (
14:27:08 <balloons> yes, I too heard from Adam
14:27:30 <balloons> on the oversized images issue, yea, it's common during the cycle
14:27:41 <balloons> I simply use usb nowadays
14:27:50 <balloons> I understand ppc is a bit trickier
14:28:10 <phillw> bikefridaywalter: as I replied in the mailing list, the issue is discussed on the PPC-FAQ area. let me get the link for you.
14:28:37 <phillw> bikefridaywalter: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
14:28:59 <bikefridaywalter> it is very unreliable with openfirmware. i have tried for years to make it work right with no success
14:29:13 <phillw> both how to shrink an iso, and how to get usb to work.
14:30:09 <bikefridaywalter> the usb is not 100% with that or any process but ill try shrinking
14:30:34 <phillw> bikefridaywalter: it is certainly worth a try, those were the suggestions from Adam.
14:31:33 <phillw> I'll be sending an email to L-QA about the areas that Adam raised with me.
14:31:46 <phillw> ..
14:31:55 <balloons> thank you phillw and bikefridaywalter
14:32:17 <balloons> [TOPIC] Testcase Admins Team sandbox and mailing list discussion
14:32:32 <balloons> ok, smartboyhw requested we bring up the idea of another mailing list for the admin team
14:32:59 <balloons> fyi for others; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseAdmins
14:33:18 <phillw> o/
14:33:44 <balloons> go ahead phillw
14:35:24 <phillw> is the test case admin team expected to generate so much mail? I'd think something similar that is used my L-QA, where PPC has PPC in the subject line so those not interested don't need to read it and use our current QA mailing list so any one interested in test cases can see what & where we are upto.
14:35:33 <phillw> s/my/by
14:36:59 <balloons> phillw, I agree.. I'd really rather avoid specific mailing lists for things
14:37:07 <smartboyhw> Agree!
14:37:18 <balloons> njin, smartboyhw, elfy thoughts/
14:37:32 <smartboyhw> \o
14:38:00 <elfy> extra m/l seems a bit like just having a m/l so there's a m/l - I'd concur with phillw's thoughts
14:38:11 <njin> balloons, we have a new hard tester, sandra farnedi is back
14:39:09 <balloons> ok, sounds like we'll keep things as is.. If you need to get in touch, use the ubuntu-qa mailing list and consider putting a [testcase-admin] header in the subject line
14:39:18 <smartboyhw> OK:)
14:39:22 <smartboyhw> \o
14:39:42 <balloons> ok, that's all we have for scheduled topics.. feel free to raise anything additional now
14:39:58 <smartboyhw> \o
14:40:02 <balloons> njin, go ahead -- who is this new tester
14:40:05 <balloons> one sec smartboyhw
14:40:10 <smartboyhw> Sorry
14:42:18 <njin> She's sandra, https://launchpad.net/~sandra-farnedi-d
14:43:07 <balloons> njin, excellent
14:43:16 <balloons> I assume you'll get her up to speed :-)
14:43:21 <balloons> go ahead smartboyhw
14:43:24 <njin> she was a teacher
14:45:16 <njin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~sandra-farnedi-d/+reportedbugs
14:45:52 <smartboyhw> OK my turn
14:46:17 <smartboyhw> Been a bit worried in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates
14:46:41 <smartboyhw> balloons: When is the deadline for distro specific testcases?
14:47:04 <balloons> smartboyhw, no deadline.. just future work on that
14:47:04 <smartboyhw> ..
14:47:13 <balloons> it's up to the flavors if they want to do it at all
14:47:25 <balloons> I don't drive your schedules :-)
14:48:27 <balloons> ok, anyone else have anything they wish to ask or bring up?
14:48:34 <balloons> a question, comment, etc? :-)
14:49:23 <smartboyhw> balloons\o
14:49:27 <smartboyhw> One more questino
14:49:31 <smartboyhw> *question
14:49:58 <balloons> go ahead smartboyhw
14:50:14 <smartboyhw> Back in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates
14:50:25 <smartboyhw> As I recall Mythbuntu is an LTS->LTS release.
14:50:51 <smartboyhw> So balloons you may just go and delete the item for ISOTracker testcase for Mythbuntu in Beta 2 secion
14:50:54 <smartboyhw> *section
14:51:40 <smartboyhw> ..
14:52:03 <balloons> thanks smartboyhw
14:52:11 <smartboyhw> NP:)
14:52:14 <balloons> ok, if no one has anything else, we're done for today
14:52:20 <balloons> thanks for attending everyone!
14:52:26 <balloons> and as always happy testing!
14:52:36 <balloons> #endmeeting