#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by slangasek at 15:04:46 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-08-15.04.log.html . == Meeting summary == *lightning round ''LINK:'' https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779014 (bdmurray, 15:16:13) *Ḃųǵṡ ''LINK:'' http://pad.lv/977964 - if someone has time to provide feedback to my latest comment i'd appreciate it (stokachu, 15:32:13) *Bugs *Blueprints ''LINK:'' http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/canonical-foundations.html (slangasek, 15:50:11) ''LINK:'' http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/all-quantal-alpha-3.html shows some 80 WIs targeted to alpha-3 that didn't get in (slangasek, 15:51:07) *AOB Meeting ended at 15:58:16 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * slangasek (73) * cjwatson (32) * ev (29) * stokachu (27) * ogra_ (25) * stgraber (20) * bdmurray (16) * infinity (15) * jodh (14) * ubottu (14) * doko (11) * xnox (10) * smartboyhw (4) * meetingology (3) == Full Log == 15:04:46 #startmeeting 15:04:46 Meeting started Wed Aug 8 15:04:46 2012 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 15:04:46 15:04:46 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 15:04:53 #topic lightning round 15:04:55 Wow, what's this meeting? 15:05:01 (still fighting the last remains of jetlag) 15:05:17 smartboyhw: Ubuntu Foundations meeting, same one that it was last week. :) 15:05:32 smartboyhw, fridge.ubuntu.com has the calendar 15:05:59 $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity cjwatson xnox stokachu) 15:06:02 stgraber ev cjwatson jodh barry bdmurray doko xnox infinity stokachu ogra slangasek 15:06:08 whoo I win 15:06:16 heh 15:06:17 nope, I do :) 15:06:23 * ogra_ has silver :) 15:06:27 at least the monologue near the beginning ... 15:06:27 for some value of win ;) 15:06:55 haha 15:07:01 - 12.04.1 15:07:01 - 12.04.1 team meeting and minutes 15:07:01 - Went through all the targeted/milestoned bugs for 12.04.1, updated status based on comments and queue status. 15:07:04 - Verified a bunch of SRUs. 15:07:06 - Followed wiki page on for release - 1 month and release - 3 weeks, uploading base-files. 15:07:09 - Worked on getting the images to fit on a 703MB media again, still need to fix i386. 15:07:12 - Fixed fglrx/fglrx-updates purge bug and uploaded by tseliot. 15:07:15 - Now digging into bug 1029531 15:07:16 Launchpad bug 1029531 in update-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "cdromupgrade from Lucid to Precise failed with unmet dependencies without network connection" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1029531 15:07:17 - Other 15:07:20 - Some ARB app review, the app showdown made the ARB New queue reach 140 packages... Still 50 to review... 15:07:23 - TODO this week 15:07:25 - Continue the work on 12.04.1. 15:07:28 (DONE) 15:08:04 - Short week; holiday until Monday. 15:08:05 - Got caught up on email. 15:08:05 - Got involved in Seb's thread on ubuntu-release about removing the error 15:08:05 tracker from Ubuntu 12.04.1. 15:08:05 - Started implementing Matthew's design for the multiple errors dialog: 15:08:05 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#When_there_are_multiple_simultaneous_errors 15:08:27 I've taught apport to export a small dbus service to ensure only one 15:08:27 instance of apport runs *until* the user presses the report button and the 15:08:27 application window disappears, chugging away adding the gdb information to 15:08:27 the report. GtkApplication didn't seem to make room for this concept of 15:08:27 releasing the singleton, but if anyone thinks DBus is too heavy/racy for 15:08:28 this and can come up with a better approach, I'm all ears. 15:08:36 - Wrote a tool to calculate the 90 day moving count of unique users. Modified 15:08:37 it to allow Ubuntu release specificity. This requires having a mapping of 15:08:37 crash ID back to the system which reported it. As we only have data in the 15:08:42 opposite direction, I've had to write a tool to create the needed mapping. 15:08:43 This has been running in the background for a few hours. Once that's done, I 15:08:43 should be able to reply to Steve's request for the day's crashes / 90 day 15:08:43 unique user count calculation. 15:08:43 - Helped webops land the new errors.ubuntu.com \o/. There was some fallout 15:08:43 from me running a newer version of Django for development than what we have 15:08:43 in production, but we have a deployment in progress to fix that. 15:08:45 (done) 15:09:53 Working on a Python rewrite of cdimage, with unit tests. Once I have it approved for release, it's reasonably far along: e.g. I have publish-daily rewritten. 15:09:56 Deployed ubuntu-archive-tools client code to automatically approve copies, saving extra error-prone manual approval steps. 15:09:59 Finished shifting security->updates auto-copies away from lp_archive@cocoplum and into ubuntu-archive@lillypilly (over the API). We no longer have any cron jobs running as lp_archive. 15:10:03 Trying to comprehend new image build options in xorriso 1.2.4 - got advice from upstream which I've yet to digest. 15:10:06 Worked on showing LP UI audit trail for copies (bug 1032857). 15:10:07 Home internet still busted. I'm on a mobile hotspot. :-/ 15:10:08 Launchpad bug 1032857 in Launchpad itself "DistributionSourcePackage:+publishinghistory should show the audit trail of copies" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032857 15:10:08 done 15:10:10 Belatedly working on aptdaemon bug 926340. Almost done - just took a while to remind myself of how to reproduce it reliably. 15:10:12 Launchpad bug 926340 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu Precise) "aptd crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in _set_error(): 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 9: ordinal not in range(128)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/926340 15:10:20 * boot/upstart: 15:10:21 - slanagasek and I worked on a number of branches for the best fix for 15:10:21 bug 980917. 15:10:21 - lots of testing for final branch for bug 980917 (including LXC). 15:10:22 Launchpad bug 980917 in upstart (Ubuntu Precise) "Failed to create pty - disabling logging for job [SRU]" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/980917 15:10:24 - my first archive upload for Upstart (for bug 980917). 15:10:27 - working on SRU-ifying bug 980917 and associated precise-proposed upload. 15:10:30 - stateful re-exec: ConfSource/ConfFiles/inotify watches handling. 15:10:33 Discussion with cjwatson. Work still ongoing. 15:10:34 cdimage unit tests> wow, that will be awesome 15:10:37 - discussions with diwic and TheMuso re updated libjson0 package. 15:10:40 - raised debian bug 684058 on getting libjson0 version 0.10 added to 15:10:40 Debian bug 684058 in libjson0 "libjson0: json-c version 0.10 is now available." [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/684058 15:10:43 Debian (and started looking at how to package that). 15:10:46 𝀘 15:10:49 15:10:59 ev: nusakan:~cjwatson/python/ if you want a previous 15:11:02 er, a preview 15:11:09 will have a look, thanks! 15:11:23 oh man, I totes should've used an emoji character to end my report 15:13:11 no barry ? 15:13:35 try xbarry :P 15:13:43 jodh: first archive upload> ah, congrats :) 15:13:56 slangasek: thanks very much! 15:14:18 barry's on vac 15:14:19 bdrung: 15:14:20 sorry 15:14:22 bdmurray: 15:14:29 vacation (two days) 15:14:29 test case creation for bug 818760 regarding update-manager 15:14:29 investigation into pkg origins being Ubuntu and reported apport bug 1031978 15:14:30 Launchpad bug 818760 in update-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "update-manager crashed with timeout in readline(): timed out" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/818760 15:14:32 Launchpad bug 1031978 in apport (Ubuntu) "indicates a package origin of Ubuntu for Ubuntu systems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1031978 15:14:32 testing of bug 1017001 15:14:33 Launchpad bug 1017001 in apt (Ubuntu Quantal) "package resolvconf 1.63ubuntu14 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: pre-dependency problem - not installing resolvconf" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1017001 15:14:38 fixed xulid of firefox-lp-improvements as it was identified as malware 15:14:38 resolved an issue with arsenal not loading launchpad_config information from json files 15:14:41 reported daisy bug 1032398 15:14:41 Launchpad bug 1032398 in Daisy "oops ids aren't very unique" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032398 15:14:43 reported bug 1032822 regarding json formatting at errors.ubuntu.com 15:14:44 Launchpad bug 1032822 in Errors "json data returned by API could be more readable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032822 15:14:46 investigation into oops reports without a DistroRelease 15:14:46 investigation into dist-upgrader-all and precise not being up to date 15:14:46 wrote code to get errors about a package from errors.ubuntu.com and present bug data about them 15:15:00 malware? 15:15:05 ⌁ done ⌁ 15:15:30 the extension was using the xulid of firefox and so was a piece of malware 15:15:54 heh 15:15:57 which had it first? 15:16:13 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779014 15:16:14 Mozilla bug 779014 in Blocklisting "Blocklist malicious "Adobe Flash Player 12.4.0" extension" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] 15:16:32 bdmurray: massive thanks for the errors.ubuntu.com stuff! 15:17:55 the firefox-lp-improvements extension should have had a unique id I just didn't realize that... 15:18:19 * slangasek nods 15:18:20 doko: 15:18:42 - the 'I hate multiarch' week 15:18:42 - got feedback for the gcc-multiarch patch from a fourth reviewer after pinging, having two valid 15:18:42 points, and contrary points to the other reviewers. fun ... 15:18:42 - looked at the upstream python3.3 build issue, which didn't have to do anything with the cross p 15:18:42 atches, but with an incomplete multiarch patch. 15:18:43 - binutils updates 15:18:45 - openjdk updates still pending 15:18:47 (done) 15:19:24 doko: put the reviewers in a room together, and whichever ones survive, implement their recommendation? :) 15:19:40 I would like to ... 15:20:42 xnox: still here? 15:20:44 Bits I did today: 15:20:44 * did an upload of ubiquity and partman-crypto to land automatic 15:20:44 recipe for full-disk encrypted installation. 15:20:44 * confirmed removal from quantal of: 15:20:44 - ichtux (meta-packages / derivative) 15:20:45 - boost1.46 15:20:49 (done) 15:20:50 Apparently yes. 15:21:02 xnox: hows that rdepends test suit coming 15:21:02 quite a lot for a vacation day 15:21:07 - worked on SRU and AA tasks 15:21:07 - worked with lamont on new Panda buildds some more 15:21:07 - helped look into CD size issues for 12.04.1 15:21:07 - did a couple of merges, and a bit of +1 fixing 15:21:07 - worked on eglibc updates for both quantal and precise 15:21:10 - possibly other stuff I've forgotten in my old age 15:21:12 [...] 15:21:31 2.16 for q? 15:21:49 stokachu: are you blocked on that? I thought we managed to manual rebuilds of the revdeps for our multiarch libs? 15:21:58 Customer cases took priority this week, still running rdepends on a few packages (libgnomevfs rdeps on libreoffice wtf..) 15:22:00 doko: That's still a maybe, but for now, just mirroring some SRU backporting. 15:22:02 slangasek: yea im doing it manually 15:22:09 stokachu: ah, is it still ongoing? 15:22:16 doko: I need to look at what aurel's done for 2.16 in Debian. 15:22:19 slangasek: yea gnome-vfs takes foreverrrrr 15:22:26 stokachu: note that for this purpose we *only* need test rebuilds of the direct reverse-dependencies 15:22:37 so none of the level2 and above stuff identified in xnox's report... 15:22:43 slangasek: im using a script stgraber sent me 15:22:44 * xnox hides 15:22:51 ok 15:23:04 so stgraber does that script show only direct rdeps? 15:23:14 i would love to trim this testing down 15:23:28 infinity: 2.16 in Debian> you mentioned something about experimental staging... I guess any of that is still in the VCS? 15:23:30 yeah, it's only direct rdeps for all binary packages built by the source 15:23:38 ok cool 15:23:45 you may be able to trim it down a bit by limiting the list of binary packages to only these that you care about 15:23:53 slangasek: so yea libreoffice is part of the direct rdeps which takes forever 15:23:56 slangasek: Right, aurel committed some bits to Debian SVN, haven't had a chance to see how far he got. 15:24:09 stokachu, stgraber: we only care about the ones that build-depend on libgnomevfs2-dev 15:24:31 slangasek: is that for all packages i want to test? 15:24:34 just -dev? 15:24:34 seems to be a much shorter list 15:24:37 infinity: ETA on eglibc in -proposed? 15:24:38 stokachu: yeah 15:24:54 stgraber: "real soon". 15:25:01 slangasek: awesome ill do that then... will trim the testing down big time 15:25:02 infinity: before tomorrow 21:00 UTC? 15:25:17 stgraber: I'll try my best to hit that for you. 15:25:32 lastly, doing another month of +1 15:25:34 (done) 15:25:36 stokachu: revised list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1136312/ 15:25:57 slangasek: that is a much better list 15:26:43 stokachu: sorry, didn't realize you were wasting time on other kinds of revdeps :/ 15:27:06 slangasek: thats cool i was merely just taking the script and running the tests didn't really dig into it 15:27:29 i should have those rdeps tested today then 15:27:36 stokachu: anything else from you for the lightning round? 15:27:37 * xnox off to volleyball =) bye 15:27:42 * slangasek waves to xnox 15:27:47 slangasek: im done 15:28:01 xnox: enjoy 15:28:03 * ogra_ fires up the livestream ... to make sure xnox is on time at the game :) 15:28:16 done: 15:28:16 * QA sprint http://ograblog.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/the-bamboo-feeder-automating-continuous-arm-image-tests/ (lots of positive feedback) 15:28:16 * started on flash-kernel vs live-installer fixes 15:28:16 * work started on transitioning all of flash-kernel bootloader handling to use /etc/default/flash-kernel as a source for the bootloader cmdline 15:28:17 * lots of jetlag 15:28:19 todo: 15:28:21 * finish live-installer vs flash-kernel fixing 15:28:23 * finish /etc/default/flash-kernel work 15:28:27 * set up a bamboo feeder locally (i brought a bunch of pandas home) to move on with script development 15:28:30 * make flash-kernel upgrades work with the new bootloader handling 15:28:32 * clean up spec items that wont make FF, work on the ones that will 15:28:34 EOF 15:29:18 bamboo feeder> heh 15:29:22 :) 15:29:50 * SRU processing, focused on 12.04.1 preparation 15:29:51 * reviewing upstart bugfix branches - now landed in quantal! 15:29:51 * discussions around how to improve the crashdb client behavior for 12.04 15:29:53 * investigating EFI netboot support 15:29:56 * managing secureboot insecurities 15:29:58 * upcoming: 15:30:01 * more helping with 12.04.1 15:30:03 * doc appt. this afternoon 15:30:06 (done) 15:30:30 any questions? 15:31:51 #topic Ḃųǵṡ 15:32:09 * xnox there is a bug with slangasek irc client, or so it appears to 15:32:13 http://pad.lv/977964 - if someone has time to provide feedback to my latest comment i'd appreciate it 15:32:14 Launchpad bug 977964 in libart-lgpl (Ubuntu Precise) "Please transition libart-lgpl to multi-arch" [Medium,In progress] 15:32:50 hmph, frail bot 15:32:50 #topic Bugs 15:32:50 right, whatever :) 15:32:51 bdmurray: what's defective? 15:33:46 slangasek: I don't have anything specific today 15:33:54 ok 15:33:56 stokachu: I think ScottK is saying (and I'm inclined to agree) that any changes to precise should be based on the package in precise, not based on the package in quantal - you need to extract the necessary changes rather than just backporting the quantal package 15:34:07 s/that/is that/ 15:34:52 cjwatson: ok 15:35:48 * slangasek has a peek at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html 15:35:49 or should i target quantal and create a new precise bug 15:36:05 well, the changes need to go into quantal if they haven't already 15:36:35 but there's no need for a separate bug, since this one is already targeted to precise (and apparently fix-released in quantal ...) 15:36:48 ok ill fix the patch and re-submit for approval 15:36:53 thanks for the help 15:37:22 bearing in mind I don't know much about this package, this is just generalised sru advice 15:38:00 cjwatson: understood, i think this debdiff was originally done by another team member and i never did any proper inspection on it 15:38:19 hmm, bug #892370 continues to linger 15:38:21 Launchpad bug 892370 in OEM Priority Project quantal "The time zone for China should default to Beijing not Shanghai (when offline)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/892370 15:38:22 cjwatson: i believe its already in quantal 15:38:34 just need to specifics for precise and it'd be good to go 15:38:44 Good bug, that 892370! 15:40:16 cjwatson, stgraber, ev: any of you willing to take jmleddy's patch to tzdata and run with it? 15:40:28 -ENOTIME 15:42:34 maybe that bug is too much to digest in an IRC meeting :) 15:42:46 Even additions to tzdata should go upstream, IMO 15:43:06 should we ask jmleddy to do that, then? 15:43:24 Otherwise TZ is incompatible with other systems (e.g. chroots, ssh env forwarding, etc.) 15:43:44 * cjwatson tries to remember where the translations live 15:44:45 tzsetup maybe? 15:46:01 I'm honestly not sure at this point where that lives, and I'm not sure I can promise time to figure it out 15:46:18 Forwarding the tzdata patch upstream would be an easy way for jmleddy to move forward if he thinks that's correct 15:46:43 or convince china to just flip the names of the cities ? 15:47:28 Ah, Shanghai isn't translated in tzsetup because we force CN to Shanghai rather than offering all the possible choices there 15:47:39 ogra_: but then the etymology of Beijing would make no sense :) 15:47:48 So it'd have to be done in ubiquity if we were doing a translation hack 15:47:54 But Beijing is the capital 15:47:56 details :P 15:47:58 Which then wouldn't help the other affected applications, which IIRC there are some 15:48:04 smartboyhw: we weren't being serious 15:48:34 cjwatson: can you follow up to the bug (or on IRC) to ask jmleddy to get this upstreamed? 15:49:01 If you don't fix it, the Chinesee authorities won't allow Ubuntu to go into China. 15:49:29 slangasek: Done 15:49:36 smartboyhw: Please don't exaggerate 15:49:49 heh 15:49:53 cjwatson: thanks :) 15:50:02 since we are at bugs ... 15:50:03 #topic Blueprints 15:50:07 ogra_: too late! 15:50:11 http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/canonical-foundations.html 15:50:24 burndown's looking a bit rough :P 15:50:27 i'll try to move along with bug 1028905 myself, but i fear i'll need some cjwatson help at some point 15:50:28 Launchpad bug 1028905 in cdrom-detect (Ubuntu Quantal) "cdrom-detect in quantal omap4 hangs trying to look for install media on an extended partition" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1028905 15:51:07 http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/all-quantal-alpha-3.html shows some 80 WIs targeted to alpha-3 that didn't get in 15:52:30 I know 12.04.1 has pulled a lot of effort away from quantal development for this first part of the cycle, but please make it a focus for the next couple of weeks to get these back on track 15:52:56 and we'll discuss one-on-one if there are things that need cutting 15:53:31 questions/concerns? 15:54:26 oh... 80 WIs is across all teams, our outstanding count is < 10 ;) 15:54:46 I marked my one of those done earlier 15:54:53 cjwatson: groovy, thanks 15:55:51 #topic AOB 15:55:55 anything else? 15:56:17 I could use a snack. 15:56:19 Does that count? 15:56:33 * ogra_ hands infinity a snickers 15:56:37 only if it's a business snack 15:57:36 * cjwatson uploads the aptdaemon SRU candidate - can that still make it? 15:57:50 I think it should 15:57:54 cjwatson: yes 15:57:55 (should be in the queue in ~5 mins) 15:57:59 ~3 actually 15:58:05 \o/ 15:58:16 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)