#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by soren at 21:00:27 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-06-21.00.log.html . == Meeting summary == ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda (soren, 21:00:54) *Action review ''ACTION:'' Soren to finish brainstorm review (soren, 21:02:31) *MRE for point release mythtv in LTS ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2012-August/001357.html (soren, 21:07:38) *check up on community bugs ''ACTION:'' cjwatson to look into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/174375 (soren, 21:29:26) *Any other business? Next meeting is set for Aug 20th, 2100 UTC. Chair is stgraber (soren, 21:33:57) Meeting ended at 21:34:04 UTC. == Votes == * Approve MRE for MythTV For: 3 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 == Action items == * Soren to finish brainstorm review * cjwatson to look into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/174375 == Action items, by person == * cjwatson ** cjwatson to look into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/174375 == People present (lines said) == * soren (66) * cjwatson (28) * superm1 (17) * meetingology (13) * stgraber (7) * mdz (6) * ubottu (4) * kees (3) == Full Log == 21:00:27 #startmeeting 21:00:27 Meeting started Mon Aug 6 21:00:27 2012 UTC. The chair is soren. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 21:00:27 21:00:27 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 21:00:49 Short agenda today: 21:00:54 #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda 21:01:10 pitti seems to be on holiday 21:01:21 here 21:01:31 boring agenda 21:01:35 I haven't seen apologies from anyone else. 21:01:56 #topic Action review 21:02:05 Soren: Brainstorm review 21:02:22 No progress. Vacation and conferences and whatnot. :( 21:02:31 #action Soren to finish brainstorm review 21:02:31 * meetingology Soren to finish brainstorm review 21:02:50 Anything else? Meetbot isn't very helpful from last meeting. 21:03:05 Guess not. 21:03:45 Gah, laggy connection. Crappy timing. 21:03:46 anything in IRC logs? 21:03:47 Sorry guys. 21:04:12 * cjwatson has a quick look 21:04:14 There's the thing abut gut 252368 21:04:18 gut? bug! 21:04:26 bug 252368 21:04:27 Launchpad bug 252368 in Launchpad itself "Automatically associate DD and DM accounts with GPG keys in keyring packages to allow DDs to use the Launchpad Email interface" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/252368 21:04:59 It seems mdz was to follow up to the mailing list. 21:05:13 IMO this is low priority and we should stop caring 21:05:13 I didn't 21:05:20 OK with me 21:05:30 I can't understand why we're continuing to worry about it; there are many other more important things to do on LP 21:05:42 Alright. Officially intentionally not going to carry this over. 21:06:01 I know we've been asked about it and there is some social importance to it 21:06:10 But there are lots of other things in a similar position 21:06:39 * cjwatson skim-reading last fortnight's logs 21:06:45 I see no other action items 21:07:18 Moving on 21:07:18 I don't see anything else carried over either 21:07:25 #topic MRE for point release mythtv in LTS 21:07:38 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2012-August/001357.html 21:07:59 It wasn't added to the agenda, but I guess we can still discuss it. 21:08:25 Is anyone here to represent this topic? 21:08:33 I've been pretty happy with the process (I use MythTV myself). 21:08:39 yeah, would be good to have this approved or rejected soon as they want to update mythtv for the 12.04.1 point release which is getting really close 21:08:46 I've found upstream to be good about doing fixes only. 21:09:10 I would be happy to approve a provisional MRE; though it would be nice if they had some kind of test suite. 21:09:32 superm1: Just in time :) 21:09:36 hey superm1 21:09:39 hi folks 21:09:57 superm1: we're discussing your MRE request at the moment 21:10:27 do you know what kind of testing is done upstream for their stable release? do they have any kind of automated testing or strong manual testing prior to release? 21:10:27 (/msg'ed relevant scrollback) 21:10:33 stgraber: yeah soren just shared with the scrollback, thanks soren 21:10:42 np 21:10:57 stgraber: they have automated build testing, but other than that it's strong manual testing prior to point releases 21:11:19 they heavily push the community to use their stable branch at all times when a problem comes up 21:11:52 Do they have multiple branches, so this is a maintenance branch while there's another one where the dev focus is? 21:12:14 yes 21:12:22 they have a fixes branch for every major release 21:12:26 and a master branch for development 21:12:44 no new features come to the fixes branch for any of the releases for any reason, it's solely bug fixes 21:13:06 How long are these branches usually maintained? 21:13:20 up until the next major release 21:13:26 Is that time-based? 21:13:44 they're moving to time based now i believe 21:13:54 they were previously feature based (it'll be done when it's done) 21:14:08 but they're pushing features out for later releases if they're not going to be ready in time, and doing development in topic branches to merge 21:14:51 Cool. 21:15:22 I don't have any other questions. 21:15:26 Anyone else? 21:15:35 and to be clear, this is just for asking for the micro releases of the 0.25 release (which only one is expected), i don't think it will be appropriate to push to 0.26 ever to -updates, only maybe -backports 21:16:39 Oh, one more thing: 21:17:07 Is this just a single source package or do we need a list somewhere? 21:17:12 It sounds reasonable enough to me 21:17:15 single source package 21:17:38 it used to be multiple source packages, but was a mess to sync up with archive skew 21:18:02 Cool. 21:18:04 Alright. 21:18:32 #vote Approve MRE for MythTV 21:18:32 Please vote on: Approve MRE for MythTV 21:18:32 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:18:49 +1 21:18:49 +1 received from soren 21:18:51 +1 21:18:51 +1 received from stgraber 21:19:08 mdz, kees: 21:19:23 +1 21:19:23 +1 received from mdz 21:19:47 Going once.. 21:19:57 Going twice 21:20:02 #endvote 21:20:02 Voting ended on: Approve MRE for MythTV 21:20:02 Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 21:20:02 Motion carried 21:20:15 great, thanks guys 21:20:25 superm1: FWIW I'm also granting you a 12.04.1 exception, so if you want it in the point release, please make sure it's uploaded ASAP 21:20:37 stgraber: it's in the queue, just needs accepting 21:20:45 Lovely. 21:20:52 Moving on. 21:21:03 #topic check up on community bugs 21:21:54 So, given our discussion earlier, I'm going to go ahead an unassing us from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/252368 21:21:55 Launchpad bug 252368 in Launchpad itself "Automatically associate DD and DM accounts with GPG keys in keyring packages to allow DDs to use the Launchpad Email interface" [Low,Triaged] 21:22:27 As for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/174375 21:22:28 Launchpad bug 174375 in Launchpad itself "Distribution drivers permissions may need redesign" [Low,Triaged] 21:22:31 I'm having network issues right now 21:22:31 lagging a lot 21:23:19 I'm not sure what we need to discuss here still. 21:24:05 I guess I'm not the only one. 21:24:48 We still need to get ubuntu-release-nominators out of ubuntu-release somehow; that team is a hack 21:25:17 To some extent we've just moved the problem (albeit to somewhere less damaging) 21:26:15 I guess I'm not actually clear on what *we* are meant to do here. 21:26:35 Specify what should be done on behalf of Ubuntu 21:26:58 I think I might be able to take an action to progress this 21:27:24 Since I think I understand both the security model we want and the relevant bits of LP code 21:27:42 Perfect! 21:28:19 Given that the individual stakeholders are who they are, it seems a bit awkward for us to have to drive it. 21:28:32 But I currently have a toddler sitting on my lap so not so much right now 21:28:59 Well, this too has been sitting in LP for years. 21:29:09 Another day won't matter much. 21:29:11 Great. 21:29:26 #action cjwatson to look into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/174375 21:29:26 * meetingology cjwatson to look into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/174375 21:29:27 Launchpad bug 174375 in Launchpad itself "Distribution drivers permissions may need redesign" [Low,Triaged] 21:29:28 We can't in general assume that the LP team understands what Ubuntu wants to get out of their security model - we have to tell them 21:30:13 And the TB is the owner of the Ubuntu object in LP 21:30:37 cjwatson: Understood. I was rather thinking it would be delegated to the stakeholders on the Ubuntu side. 21:30:43 Please no 21:30:46 ..but if you're doing it, we're covered for sure. 21:30:49 We understand it better :) 21:31:00 Very well. 21:31:10 The stakeholders are liaisons, not necessarily decision-makers 21:31:17 (With that hat on, anyway) 21:31:30 (Or at least that's how I understand it) 21:32:10 Well, we'd certainly have final say in it, but it's hard for us as a group to actually drive this issue forward. 21:32:24 But this is all academic since you've accepted the action item :) 21:32:26 Yes; but nobody else really can either :) 21:32:28 Yeah 21:32:42 #topic Any other business? 21:32:58 We made excellent progress on it a while back in an in-person TB meeting, actually - we just haven't finished the job 21:33:05 Nothing else from me 21:33:08 none here 21:33:16 Who's the next chair? stgraber? 21:33:24 sounds right 21:33:57 #info Next meeting is set for Aug 20th, 2100 UTC. 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