#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by stgraber at 19:03:06 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-06-18-19.03.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Review of previous action items *Ubuntu Contributing Developer Applications - Juan Negron *Ubuntu Core Developer Applications - Dmitrijs Ledkovs ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DmitrijsLedkovs/CoreDevApplication (xnox, 19:39:49) ''LINK:'' http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt comes to mind as a basis for transporting cookies over IP (micahg, 19:44:46) ''LINK:'' https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bZ4yQIVgGaUGSYu3qiUHnQt3ieBZoqunP_DcleHCr3I/edit#heading=h.v8wi3omt1z0 (xnox, 19:53:04) ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/AdvancedPartitioningSchemes#Ubiquity_Mockups (xnox, 19:54:11) *Select a chair for the next meeting ''ACTION:'' barry to chair the next DMB meeting (stgraber, 20:01:03) Meeting ended at 20:01:06 UTC. == Votes == * Core Dev Application - xnox For: 5 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 == Action items == * barry to chair the next DMB meeting == People present (lines said) == * xnox (43) * stgraber (38) * negronjl (36) * tumbleweed (17) * bdrung (17) * meetingology (14) * highvoltage (3) * micahg (3) * cody-somerville (3) * inetpro (2) == Full Log == 19:03:06 #startmeeting 19:03:06 Meeting started Mon Jun 18 19:03:06 2012 UTC. The chair is stgraber. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 19:03:06 19:03:06 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 19:03:07 aww, I was hoping to go to sleep :P 19:03:30 xnox: nope, both barry and Laney said they couldn't attend this one 19:03:39 #topic Review of previous action items 19:03:44 micahg to document the zentyl packageset 19:03:50 nope :( 19:03:58 stgraber to review the freeze process with bencer 19:04:09 still need to poke highvoltage about that... 19:04:15 cody-somerville to vote in early meeting poll 19:04:17 bencer has been really quiet recently 19:04:39 Hi 19:04:47 * highvoltage pokes him now 19:04:49 highvoltage: can you make sure that he's perfectly aware of the freezes before he uploads anything? 19:05:12 stgraber: I can explain it to him, the understanding part is up to him 19:05:21 highvoltage: ok :) 19:05:31 cody-somerville: did you have a chance to vote in that early meeting poll? 19:06:36 I don't believe so. Still not sure how since it seemed like I had to vote on specific dates or something, lol 19:06:56 cody-somerville: ok, I'll keep that action item on the list then 19:07:04 the two others have been done: 19:07:06 stgraber to add jbicha to MOTU (done) 19:07:10 stgraber to remove rodrigo-moya's PPU rights (done) 19:07:20 my schedule will change if we wait long enough 19:07:35 #topic Ubuntu Contributing Developer Applications - Juan Negron 19:07:49 negronjl: ping 19:07:52 * negronjl waves 19:08:00 i probably can attend the early meetings in 6 weeks and following 19:08:19 negronjl: can you introduce yourself and your application please? 19:08:38 hello all ... 19:08:46 My name is Juan L. Negron ( wiki.ubuntu.com/JuanNegron/UbuntuContributingDeveloper ) 19:09:13 I currently work as a Systems Integration Engineero for Canonical ( currently located in San Francisco, CA, USA ) 19:09:32 I mainly hang around the Juju guys and charm related things 19:10:21 I am currently applying for Ubuntu Contributing Developer 19:11:44 * negronjl not sure what else to add :/ 19:12:57 * xnox bribing with home-baked cookies always works like a charm ;-) 19:13:03 let me start the questions 19:13:22 negronjl: I have a fairly hard time judging this application, because I don't see much directly-ubuntu-related activity 19:14:11 tumbleweed: fair enough question ... I have been heavily involved in spreading the word on Juju 19:14:32 xnox: we will eat all your cookies, but this will have no effect on the result of your application (unless we get all ill and need to defer the vote) ;) 19:14:43 tumbleweed: that involves going to pretty much every conference, meeting that I can get into to spread the word there. 19:14:43 are you intending to do more work on ubuntu itself? 19:15:06 I se a bunch of uploads from june and august last year, but nothing since 19:15:14 tumbleweed: also have run a few charm-schools for it. 19:15:33 (orchestra-ish stuff, some of which hasn' tbeen touched since, and I don' tknow if that's good or bad) 19:15:34 tumbleweed: the majority of my work these days has been geared towards juju and charms. 19:15:47 tumbleweed: orchestra is no more ... now it's MaaS 19:15:56 tumbleweed: that's why it hasn't been touched. 19:15:57 the packages still appear to be published in the archive 19:16:27 I wouldn't call that "no more" 19:16:41 tumbleweed: they are ... they are maintained but, no further development will happen on orchestra 19:17:00 tumbleweed: that development effort has been geared towards Juju now. 19:17:16 * xnox thought orchestra => juju + MaaS 19:17:28 xnox: not really 19:17:58 xnox: I am currently working on a demo for Structure/SF where I will deploy MaaS, Juju and such .... 19:18:18 xnox: MaaS is something different from orchestra ... A different approach with a diff. goal 19:20:20 MaaS intends to be a provider ( think Amazon/Aws ) 19:20:43 orchestra was something where you could deploy ready-made (puppet) work-loads to it 19:22:51 another big diff. between orchestra and MaaS is that orchestra was puppet based and MaaS is just a provider that Juju can manipulate and consume 19:23:16 interesting. thanks. 19:23:41 xnox: sure 19:23:49 negronjl: you stated that you dislike the package review process. why? something else besides it being slow? 19:24:28 bdrung: just slow ... 19:25:11 bdrung: I had to write something I didn't like after all ;) 19:25:49 negronjl: what did you have to write? 19:26:20 bdrung: .... just a joke about having to write what I liked least about Ubuntu 19:26:30 ah. :) 19:26:52 * xnox "If you tell me everything, you will not get into any type of trouble" - what a typical typical lie parents tell kids during upbringing ;-) 19:26:55 negronjl: what do you mean with package review process. the sponsoring queue? 19:27:14 xnox: I fell for that as a kid many times 19:27:47 xnox: we like to know what can be improved in Ubuntu. 19:28:09 bdrung: When i started with orchestra, the packaging process and review process took a lot of effort ( It was mostly because I didn't understand it at all ). .... 19:28:47 bdrung: As I work on this stuff more, I see that it's more of a misunderstanding of the process ( that explains why the sponsoring queue is the way it is ) ..... 19:29:25 bdrung: and the need for me to clean up my packages ( after all ... one of the things that we all like about Ubuntu is that we can install a package and expect it to just _work_ ) 19:29:39 negronjl: was it just a misunderstanding on your side or a lack of/wrong documentation? 19:30:10 bdrung: nowadays ... when I package stuff ( ie: ppa:cloudfoundry/daily ) I tend to look closer at those issues and see them as something that _I_ need to fix as opposed to something that the process needs to work for me. 19:31:13 bdrung: packaging and sponsoring and getting these things into the archive can be a daunting process for someone new. The help is out there ... I guess it could be put in a more concise manner but, I really would not know where to put it or how to go about making it better. 19:31:40 Once I started to get a better understanding of the process, I realized that it is only as complicated and lengthy as it needs to be 19:32:16 ... I guess I also got used to it so, at this point, I see it as just something that needs to be understood and worked through ... 19:32:52 bdrung: so the short answer is that it was daunting due to my inexperience with it. 19:33:29 ok, sorry had to multi-task a little and follow some discussions the DMB had on the side 19:34:00 many processes seem to be daunting/complex at the beginning 19:34:24 the DMB doesn't think that ubuntu contributing developer is the right fit for you as it's really meant as a step towards MOTU 19:34:56 instead, we'd highly recommend you apply through the regular Ubuntu Membership process where your contributions to the project through the juju charm schools and similar conferences will be considered 19:35:35 stgraber: ok. thx for the pointers 19:36:30 negronjl: no problem, and all the best for your ubuntu membership application! 19:36:31 "Ubuntu Contributing Packager" would be probably a better name instead of "Ubuntu Contributing Developer" 19:36:58 thx for your time all 19:37:07 you're welcome 19:37:10 #topic Ubuntu Core Developer Applications - Dmitrijs Ledkovs 19:37:15 xnox: your turn :) 19:37:22 hmm.... 19:37:34 oops... wrong channel 19:37:42 Hello everyone =) 19:38:07 My name is Dmitrijs. I am Ubuntu Contributing Developer and Debian Developer. 19:38:33 I am currently employed by canonical and work fulltime with Foundations Team on the filesystem's tasks. 19:39:22 Since my $dayjob is more closely aligned with ubuntu+1, my hobby time contributions have picked up as well. Hence I am applying for Core Developer status. 19:39:48 The wiki page for my application is here: 19:39:49 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DmitrijsLedkovs/CoreDevApplication 19:39:53 .. 19:40:19 * tumbleweed hasn't seen any mention of cookies for +1s yet 19:41:15 we first need to find a protocol to transport cookies over IP without loosing the taste ;) 19:41:17 * xnox prepared a ratatouille recipe for Laney & Barry which were making a fire for me at the last meeting. But they bailed. There was no time for cookies, sorry. 19:42:21 * xnox was considering airtight, vacuum containers, but was afraid of moisture turning into ice during air transportation. So I was thinking to make dehydrated cookies, but they are not as nice as soft baked once. 19:42:28 So, let's say we are the 27th of June and you want to fix a bug in python-gevent, can you upload it to the archive at that point? 19:42:50 * xnox goes to check the calendar, to see what 27th of june is 19:43:37 so there are no milestones for stable releases in the interlock. 19:43:44 only alpha 2 freeze for quantal. 19:44:17 it is seeded on the edubuntu dvd image 19:44:46 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt comes to mind as a basis for transporting cookies over IP 19:45:00 i would upload to -proposed, or better get in touch with release team to see if the bugfix is required for a respin 19:45:20 assuming that the seeding has not changed by the time we get into 27th of june 19:45:26 * xnox goes to check MIRs 19:45:47 good answer and well detailed answer :) 19:45:54 are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce? 19:46:08 yes, on RSS, NNTP & email 19:46:19 exotic 19:46:44 * xnox doesn't like missing *-announce stuff regardless what I happen to check first 19:48:03 xnox: so, how do we make RAID/LUKS/LVM rock in ubuntu? 19:48:22 * xnox doesn't see any MIRs for python-gevent, and I shouldn't miss any new new MIR since I am subscribed to ubuntu-archive m-l for component missmatch notifications 19:49:05 tumbleweed: to make RAID/LUKS/LVM rock this needs implemented: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-software-raid 19:49:13 as well as all dependencies 19:49:16 and all bugs 19:49:22 and of course https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-ubiquity-lvm-luks 19:49:33 and all bugs in ubiquity/installer related to that 19:49:40 * tumbleweed missed that session 19:49:54 tumbleweed: which one? there was no session for ubiquity-lvm-luks 19:50:09 it was discussed to death for many cycles in a row =) 19:50:24 there were hallway discussions about it at the UDS-Q 19:51:16 * tumbleweed seems to recall some scheduled related sessions at UDS-Q, but nm 19:51:56 xnox: is there a nice gui to create luks encrypted partitions? 19:52:39 bdrung: the design work is in progress. 19:52:44 * xnox hunts some links 19:53:04 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bZ4yQIVgGaUGSYu3qiUHnQt3ieBZoqunP_DcleHCr3I/edit#heading=h.v8wi3omt1z0 19:53:29 i needed to create the partition on the gui to then mount it with typing the password into the gui 19:54:09 right now you can use gnome-disks which is on the live cd to create LUKS encrypted volume 19:54:11 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/AdvancedPartitioningSchemes#Ubiquity_Mockups 19:54:32 is my "functional" mockups which will be enabled with `ubiquity --danger-do-not-use` 19:54:43 or some other more sensible command line flag 19:55:17 gnome-disks is fully gui. And encrypted usb drives are awesome. You plug it in, and a nice popup appears to unlock it. 19:55:19 alright, we have 5 minutes left to the meeting, so let's vote 19:55:49 #vote Core Dev Application - xnox 19:55:49 Please vote on: Core Dev Application - xnox 19:55:49 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 19:56:23 +1 19:56:23 +1 received from bdrung 19:56:48 +1 19:56:48 +1 received from micahg 19:56:56 +1 [[ it's a faily early core-dev application, but warranted ]] 19:56:56 +1 [[ it's a faily early core-dev application, but warranted ]] received from tumbleweed 19:56:58 +1 19:56:58 +1 received from stgraber 19:57:52 +1 19:57:52 +1 received from cody-somerville 19:58:03 #endvote 19:58:03 Voting ended on: Core Dev Application - xnox 19:58:03 Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 19:58:03 Motion carried 19:58:11 xnox: congrats! 19:58:17 * xnox \0/ 19:58:41 added to the team 19:58:50 xnox: congrats. now you can help bring down the sponsorship backlog :P 19:59:07 * xnox goes to break^W make ubuntu better ;) 19:59:28 sure, I can now do sponsorship 19:59:34 #topic Select a chair for the next meeting 19:59:47 * xnox votes barry 20:00:10 can't remember, do we also do alphabetical order of IRC nicks like the TB? 20:00:21 if so, it should be tumbleweed 20:00:36 IIRC, we do alphabetical on full names 20:00:37 alphabetical on first name 20:00:42 I was the last chair 20:00:53 ok, that's barry then 20:01:03 #action barry to chair the next DMB meeting 20:01:03 * meetingology barry to chair the next DMB meeting 20:01:06 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)