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14:09:33 <tumbleweed> #topic Review of previous action items
14:10:13 <tumbleweed> stgraber to give cfalco PPU for btpd and mame
14:10:22 <micahg> that's done
14:10:23 <tumbleweed> micahg to add cfalco to ubuntu-dev
14:10:31 <micahg> done
14:10:39 <tumbleweed> micahg to create LP team related to the new packageset
14:10:42 <micahg> done
14:10:47 <tumbleweed> stgraber to create the packageset and make the new team the uploader of it
14:10:49 <micahg> done
14:10:53 <tumbleweed> micahg to document the packageset
14:10:56 <micahg> not yet
14:11:05 <tumbleweed> stgraber to review the freeze process with bencer
14:11:24 <stgraber> poked highvoltage about it, not sure of exact status
14:11:29 <tumbleweed> micahg to add bencer to zentyal packageset
14:11:50 <tumbleweed> tumbleweed to chair the next meeting <- doing
14:12:01 <tumbleweed> tumbleweed to fix membership monitoring script <- done
14:12:09 <stgraber> bencer has been added to the zentyal packageset
14:12:09 <micahg> added to packageset (done)
14:12:15 <tumbleweed> cody-somerville and bdrung to vote in early meeting poll
14:13:19 * tumbleweed doesn't have the link for that to hand
14:13:52 <Laney> they aren't here, so it probably doesn't matter to much :P
14:13:58 <Laney> too
14:14:11 <tumbleweed> aha, bt appears only cody-somerville still needs to
14:14:17 <tumbleweed> ok, on to applications
14:15:00 <tumbleweed> #chair stgraber
14:15:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: stgraber tumbleweed
14:15:19 * tumbleweed hands the chari to stgraber while I run down the road to a pub. will pick up from there
14:15:45 <stgraber> right, so applications (/me loads the agenda)
14:16:13 <stgraber> #topic Ubuntu Contributing Developer Applications - Juan Negron
14:16:14 <tumbleweed> jbicha first, I think
14:16:18 <tumbleweed> oh, too late :)
14:16:58 <stgraber> negronjl: around?
14:17:42 * stgraber gives negronjl a minute, then will go with jbicha
14:18:29 <stgraber> #topic MOTU Applications - Jeremy Bicha
14:18:46 <stgraber> jbicha: around?
14:18:50 <jbicha> hi!
14:19:32 <stgraber> hey, can you introduce yourself quickly? (I think we all know you, but still ... :))
14:19:42 <jbicha> I help package GNOME with the Ubuntu Desktop Team and I maintain ubuntu-docs.
14:21:16 <jbicha> I'm applying for MOTU because some GNOME-related stuff is in universe & not really suitable for the desktop-extra packageset
14:22:07 <jbicha> MOTU also is nice for getting new stuff into Ubuntu, and for the other interesting universe packages
14:22:11 <Laney> hrm, unofficial stuff I guess?
14:22:22 <Laney> Nothing you'd need for the new flavour, for example/
14:22:23 <jbicha> yes
14:23:26 <jbicha> the new GNOME flavor if approved would probably overlap with the desktop-extra set
14:23:58 <Laney> I hope we can keep it contained within main + desktop-extra
14:24:03 <jbicha> but there will still be universe stuff I'm interested in that won't be in either of those two sets
14:24:07 <Laney> sure
14:24:37 <micahg> jbicha: how much experience have you had with non-GNOME related packaging
14:24:58 <jbicha> what I mean is that I'm not sure we need the desktop-extra set if we have a "gnomebuntu" set
14:25:00 <micahg> well, also, if there's a new flavor, there's a new seed metapackage (and desktop-extra might disappear)
14:26:27 <Laney> if it comes with a fancy auto generated package set, that is very possible
14:27:55 <jbicha> micahg: most of what I've worked on has been GNOME, but I've occasionally worked with other things
14:28:51 <jbicha> my first Ubuntu upload was for moodle for instance & I worked with the kabikaboo maintainer to get that into Debian & then Ubuntu
14:29:16 <jbicha> kabikaboo is a python app for writing novels and such
14:30:30 <jbicha> the GNOME stuff usually uses cdbs but I'm fairly comfortable with dh7 as well
14:32:33 <micahg> jbicha: is there any reason why you only have one endorsement?
14:33:55 <jbicha> micahg: I didn't do a good job of finding endorsements
14:34:16 <jbicha> for universe stuff, it looks like dholbach did most of the sponsoring
14:34:58 * dholbach hugs jbicha :)
14:35:35 <dholbach> as long as i can remember I never had to ask jbicha to re-do any of his work
14:35:54 <dholbach> it was AFAICR tip top work
14:36:08 <Laney> jbicha: Do you think you'll get involved with other stuff MOTU does?
14:36:12 <dholbach> and he has had upload rights for desktop related stuff for quite a while
14:36:12 * ScottK feels comfortable with jbicha as MOTU as well.
14:36:26 <jbicha> Laney: what other stuff?
14:36:29 <Laney> mentoring initiatives, sponsoring and stuff like that
14:36:49 <Laney> QA activities especially nearer the release
14:37:17 * tumbleweed returns
14:37:56 <jbicha> yes I'd like to sponsor more stuff, getting new contributors included is important
14:39:18 <jbicha> I look at the nbs and ftbfs trackers and try to fix things where I can
14:39:22 <Laney> the active team is pretty small these days, so people are always needed to pitch in with the leg work
14:39:32 <barry> jbicha: what's the best python build helper to use these days?
14:39:43 <jbicha> barry: dh_python2 :)
14:40:24 <barry> jbicha: good answer :)  from a technical (not process) point of view, how would you convert from say py_support or py_central to dh_py2?
14:41:06 <jbicha> I basically follow the checklist at http://wiki.debian.org/Python/TransitionToDHPython2
14:41:56 <jbicha> remove pycentral and pysupport from debian/control and fix debian/rules
14:42:13 <barry> jbicha: two-for-two :)  from a process point of view, how would you handle cases where the debian package uses pysupport or pycentral, but the ubuntu version wants to use dhpy2?
14:43:26 <jbicha> generally I'd try to get the change into Debian first
14:44:24 <barry> jbicha: what if the debian maintainer doesn't want to use dhpy2, or doesn't respond after a reasonable amount of time?
14:46:29 <jbicha> well python-support and pycentral are deprecated so the Debian maintainer ought to consider switching
14:47:11 <jbicha> unless the package is shipped on a CD, I don't think dhpy2 alone is worth having a diff from Debian
14:47:13 <micahg> jbicha: do you know how to tell if images are affected by your uploads?  (MOTU can break everything except for Desktop and Kubuntu ATM)
14:47:56 <barry> jbicha: you're applying for motu, but do you think main v universe influences that decision?
14:48:00 <jbicha> I've just learned to use seeded-in-ubuntu for that
14:49:15 <jbicha> barry: yes, I don't think we want pysupport or pycentral in main at all and we would diverge from Debian to make that happen
14:49:27 <stgraber> jbicha: are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce and reading it at least daily?
14:49:28 <barry> jbicha: thanks for your answers
14:49:52 <jbicha> stgraber: yes, I'm on too many mailing lists :)
14:50:07 * barry thinks you can never be on too many mailing lists :)
14:50:21 * micahg subscribes barry to lkml
14:51:00 <stgraber> jbicha: good. Also, would you be allowed to upload non-critical changes to a seeded package in quantal today?
14:51:57 <jbicha> stgraber: it's probably a bad idea since we're trying to get Alpha 1 out the door this week
14:53:10 <stgraber> good :)
14:55:54 <Laney> vote?
14:56:31 <stgraber> sounds good
14:56:39 <Laney> go go co-chair
14:56:54 <stgraber> #vote MOTU for jbicha
14:56:54 <meetingology> Please vote on: MOTU for jbicha
14:56:54 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
14:56:58 <stgraber> +1
14:56:58 <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
14:57:03 <Laney> +1
14:57:03 <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
14:57:35 <micahg> +0, would've liked to have seen more endorsements and more non-GNOME related work
14:57:35 <meetingology> +0, would've liked to have seen more endorsements and more non-GNOME related work received from micahg
14:57:47 <barry> +1
14:57:47 <meetingology> +1 received from barry
14:58:53 <stgraber> waiting a bit longer for tumbleweed to reappear
14:58:56 <tumbleweed> +1
14:58:56 <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed
14:59:34 <stgraber> #endvote
14:59:34 <meetingology> Voting ended on: MOTU for jbicha
14:59:34 <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
14:59:34 <meetingology> Motion carried
15:00:12 <Laney> \o
15:00:24 <jbicha> thank you!
15:00:29 <barry> jbicha: congrats!
15:01:08 <stgraber> added to the team
15:01:19 <Laney> dholbach: get the publicity out!
15:01:24 <tumbleweed> #topic Any other Business?
15:01:31 <tumbleweed> negronjl still appears to be missing
15:01:38 <dholbach> yeehaw
15:01:41 <dholbach> congratulations
15:01:55 <tumbleweed> ~rodrigo-moya appears to have expired from ubuntu-dev
15:01:57 <xnox> well there isn't much time left anyway =)
15:02:01 <tumbleweed> stgraber: can you remove his PPU rights?
15:02:10 <tumbleweed> xnox: we have a nasty habit of running over
15:02:17 * Laney warms the fire for xnox next time
15:02:18 <stgraber> tumbleweed: yep
15:02:20 <tumbleweed> (by an hour or so)
15:02:46 <tumbleweed> next chair: stgraber?
15:02:52 * xnox notes down to bring olive oil and herbs for Laney
15:03:03 <Laney> sounds good
15:03:06 <stgraber> tumbleweed: sure
15:03:26 <tumbleweed> anything else?
15:03:32 <barry> xnox: are you cooking for us?  maybe we should make that a requirement for all applicants
15:04:02 <xnox> barry: I believe Laney is setting me on fire, during the next meeting....
15:04:04 <stgraber> tumbleweed: maybe I'm blind but I'm not seeing any PPU for jbicha, only membership in -desktop and -desktop-extra-dev
15:04:18 <tumbleweed> stgraber: rodrigo-moya
15:04:24 <stgraber> tumbleweed: ah!
15:04:44 * stgraber should read more than just the hilights
15:05:08 * tumbleweed mailed the list, abou tit
15:05:14 <stgraber> tumbleweed: rodrigo is also still in ubuntu-desktop
15:06:02 <tumbleweed> right. but he was in ubuntu-dev for PPU, so either we re-instate him into ubuntu-dev or remove the PPU rights
15:06:40 <stgraber> ok, removed
15:06:57 <stgraber> he just had two, couchdb-glib and evolution-couchdb
15:07:01 <tumbleweed> great, thanks
15:07:16 <tumbleweed> #endmeeting