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16:00:58 <zul> so hi, i hope everyone has recovered from uds with their livers mostly intact
16:01:07 <utlemming> meh
16:01:09 <Daviey> o/
16:01:17 <zul> utlemming: i know you havent
16:01:40 <arosales> hello
16:01:46 <zul> #stubtopic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
16:01:52 <zul> #subtopic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
16:02:14 <jamespage> o/
16:02:17 <zul> so there isnt an topics from the previous meeting lets get right to it
16:02:19 <m_3> o/
16:02:39 <zul> #topic  Quantal Development
16:02:57 <zul> so last week was uds, and people should be getting their blueprints ready
16:03:15 <zul> this includes their work items for the blueprints as well
16:03:29 <jamespage> +1
16:03:34 <arosales> also note that we'll be trying the new template version
16:03:39 <jamespage> \o/
16:03:43 <zul> if you have never written a blueprint before you can ask for help as well
16:04:03 <jamespage> do we have the bzr/whiteboard integration working yet - maybe smoser or Ursinha` might know?
16:04:09 <s3h> sigh
16:04:10 <roaksoax> o/
16:04:22 <SpamapS> o/
16:04:29 <smoser> jamespage, Ursinha` and i talked a lot, but did not come to any real conclusion.
16:05:01 <jamespage> OK - suggest folk try out the template without a versioned whiteboard for the time being - we can swap over later.
16:05:12 <Daviey> sounds good
16:05:20 <s3h> where do we find the new template again?
16:05:27 <zul> jamespage: can you send an email to ubuntu-server with the new template stuff?
16:05:33 <roaksoax> +1
16:05:39 <jamespage> zul: ack - please action me for that
16:06:09 <zul> #action jamespage to send out an email to ubuntu-server about the new template
16:06:09 * meetingology jamespage to send out an email to ubuntu-server about the new template
16:06:33 <arosales> also it looks like we may need to update http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html for Quantal
16:06:40 <Daviey> ^^ action me
16:06:43 <arosales> or is that just the header text that needs updated from Precise?
16:06:51 <Daviey> nah, needs a change.
16:07:20 <zul> #action  daviey update release bugs for quantal
16:07:20 * meetingology daviey update release bugs for quantal
16:07:35 <zul> so looking at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html
16:08:16 <zul> there is possibly a good one or two SRU bugs that are good candidates for SRU of course they need to be fixed in quantal first
16:08:36 <Daviey> zul: How functional is the SRU tracker?
16:08:41 <zul> the one that jumps out at me is #880339
16:08:49 <Daviey> bug 880339
16:08:50 <zul> Daviey: havent touched it in a long time
16:09:32 <zul> it should be ressurected though
16:09:40 <jamespage> +1
16:10:17 <zul> does someone want to take that action?
16:10:41 <zul> if i show them again where everything is and clear out the database and possibly update it for precise
16:11:16 <arosales> zul: I can give that a try
16:11:17 <jamespage> zul: give it to me - kinda forms part of my holistic review of triage etc.. anyway
16:11:33 <zul> oooh...deathmatch
16:11:41 <zul> i though Ursinha` did something with it
16:11:44 <roaksoax> jamespage: and now that you mention it, where should we be trackingnew bugs from now on?
16:11:49 <arosales> zul ping jamespage and I offline
16:12:08 <arosales> I would be interested in knowing how it works even if jamespage takes the full action
16:12:09 <jamespage> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/triage-report.html
16:12:12 <zul> #action zul talk to arosales and jamespage offline about SRU tracker
16:12:12 * meetingology zul talk to arosales and jamespage offline about SRU tracker
16:12:26 <jamespage> for the time being at least
16:12:37 <zul> anything else to bring up?
16:12:40 <roaksoax> jamespage: thanks
16:13:23 <zul> jamespage/arosales/Daviey: is there anything im missing
16:13:39 <arosales> for Quantal I think that is it for now
16:13:44 <zul> cool beans
16:13:47 <jamespage> I don't think so - blueprints and then merges!
16:13:51 <Daviey> zul: how long do we have? :)
16:14:00 <zul> Daviey: none
16:14:05 <zul> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
16:14:11 <zul> hah hah!
16:14:33 <Daviey> no more travel please! :)
16:14:35 <zul> so summer is coming up, so that means stuff like oscon, velocity, linuxcon, etc, etc etc
16:14:36 <arosales> gluecon coming up for m_3
16:14:44 <arosales> 23-24 may
16:14:56 <s3h> i might go to linuxcon, but waiting to hear on that
16:15:11 <s3h> (plumber's, really)
16:15:11 <Daviey> s3h: oh, neat!
16:15:13 * zul hopes to stay home this summer
16:15:32 <zul> oh yeah OLS as well
16:15:33 <SpamapS> Daviey: actually we're going to have a sprint, just you and me, here in LA, for the next 3 weeks.
16:15:37 <s3h> (waitingn to hear from Daviey that is :)
16:15:45 <Daviey> SpamapS: sounds awesome.
16:16:11 <zul> moving on
16:16:14 <SpamapS> Velocity is coming up
16:16:15 <SpamapS> wait
16:16:20 <SpamapS> I think somebody is going to that
16:16:25 <SpamapS> (sorry I got majorly lagged out there)
16:16:27 <zul> im guessing m_3
16:16:39 <arosales> velocity is at the end of june
16:16:45 <SpamapS> Jorge and Hazmat I think
16:16:47 <arosales> 27-28 June
16:16:47 <m_3> no Velocity for me... I'll be out of pocket
16:17:02 <SpamapS> Oh and LISA talk submission deadline is this week
16:17:18 <SpamapS> so for all ubuntu server users, make sure you get your "Ubuntu server is awesome" talks submitted! :)
16:17:21 <SpamapS> that is all
16:17:28 * smb hopes to go to Plumbers and maybe XenSummit as it is just before that
16:17:49 <SpamapS> Isn't plumbers in San Diego?
16:17:50 <zul> mmm....more citrix marketing
16:17:52 <zul> it is
16:17:58 * m_3 just hopes Plumbers scheduling is working seamlessly atm :)
16:18:15 <m_3> yes, san diego... late august I think
16:18:25 <SpamapS> m_3: talk to the IS guys.. they wrote charms for the schedule boxes too
16:18:26 <smb> 29-31
16:18:49 <SpamapS> ok thats enough about events. :)
16:18:50 <m_3> SpamapS: that's the one on the summit charm.. don't think we're doing anything beyond that
16:19:03 <zul> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
16:19:25 <zul> hi hggdh
16:19:28 <zul> if you are around
16:19:40 <zul> lots of good qa sessions at uds as well
16:20:08 <SpamapS> Yeah QA were the rockstars of uds-q :)
16:20:32 <zul> i guess he is not here
16:20:41 <zul> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
16:20:43 <zul> hi smb
16:20:48 <smb> \o
16:21:01 <smb> Are there Questions ?
16:21:01 <zul> i didnt attend any kernel sessions at uds
16:21:15 <smb> As I don't think I have much to report
16:21:16 <zul> er...what kernel are we using for quantal? ;)
16:21:30 <smb> 2.6.24
16:21:33 <smb> :-P
16:21:51 <zul> how retro
16:22:00 <zul> any questions for smb?
16:22:21 <smoser> big news from kernel team was that -virtual may be going away.
16:22:30 <zul> yay!
16:22:42 <smb> Right, more of a packaging change
16:22:57 <zul> replacing it with a regular server kernel?
16:23:09 <smb> no, that does not exist anymore
16:23:19 <smb> generic or generic-pae
16:23:19 <zul> regular generic kernel
16:23:28 <zul> ah i see
16:23:40 <smb> And having a split between minimal and additional modules
16:23:50 <zul> cool
16:23:59 <zul> anything else for smb?
16:24:25 <rbasak> As an aside, currently we can get an indication of whether a reporter is using a "desktop" machine via the kernel in bug reports. With this going away, perhaps we should add information to see if X or ubuntu-desktop or something is installed?
16:25:08 <zul> rbasak: well they can still have a server with ubuntu-desktop installed
16:25:35 <rbasak> That's the thing - there's no real distinction in technical terms, but pragmatically the information is useful when triaging
16:26:06 <zul> right totally agree and thats been a problem for a long while
16:26:31 <SpamapS> rbasak: we get the install media
16:26:35 <smb> Hm, I may be wrong but potentially the linux-server meta package is still there
16:26:40 <SpamapS> rbasak: thats a good indication of what they intended at install time
16:27:13 <smb> Yeah, seems to be true
16:27:23 <zul> SpamapS: install media can be maas now as well though
16:27:35 <zul> anyways i dont think its going to be solved as well
16:27:37 <smb> rbasak, ^
16:27:41 <zul> er...solved now
16:27:49 <rbasak> We don't always get the install media, eg bug 999614.
16:27:50 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 999614 in php5 (Ubuntu) "new SoapClient() with connection_timeout = NULL breaks multi-dimensional arrays" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/999614
16:28:07 <rbasak> That may be a cloud image or something
16:28:36 <zul> so moving on
16:28:42 <zul> rbasak: good timing
16:28:52 <zul> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)
16:28:53 <rbasak> Calxeda demoed MAAS working on their hardware at UDS!
16:28:54 <rbasak> Work on ARM server and MAAS is ongoing.
16:28:54 <rbasak> Any questions for me?
16:29:01 <zul> i want one
16:29:15 <rbasak> That's not a question :-)
16:29:30 <zul> please can i have one?
16:29:38 <rbasak> No.
16:29:40 <rbasak> :-P
16:30:01 <rbasak> I don't think any ETA for general marketing availability has been announced yet.
16:30:08 <rbasak> *market
16:30:18 * zul sighs
16:30:50 <zul> #topic Open Discussion
16:30:57 <zul> anyone want to get something off their chest
16:31:04 <zul> how was uds for everyone?
16:31:19 <SpamapS> weird going back and forth for just 2 days
16:32:07 <arosales> SpamapS: did you collect some good feedback for remote participants?
16:32:14 <arosales> or was that handled pretty well?
16:32:37 <SpamapS> I think we should consider google hangouts
16:32:56 <s3h> we tried one for one talk.   didn't work well
16:32:58 <SpamapS> I see no reason to put people in a one-way audio bubble
16:33:05 <jamespage> I was in a couple of meetings where that worked OK
16:33:09 <SpamapS> s3h: what went wrong?
16:33:13 <smoser> google hangout swould be a useful addition. especially if integrated with the room.
16:33:14 <zul> need more bandwith i think
16:33:15 <s3h> choppy, delay
16:33:22 <SpamapS> Ah
16:33:27 <rbasak> I've found G+ to be choppy and delayed as well.
16:33:29 <SpamapS> Thats surprising
16:33:36 <rbasak> How about a SIP hardware phone on speakerphone?
16:33:47 <s3h> that would be aweseome
16:33:51 <s3h> how about just mumble :)
16:34:07 <jamespage> SIP hardware phone was avaliable on request
16:34:15 <s3h> did anyone try it?
16:34:16 <rbasak> The catch about two-way audio is that it relies on everyone being able to control their mute button
16:34:18 <SpamapS> well anyway, I find it very hard to "participate" from IRC+delayed audio
16:34:29 <jamespage> The DMB meeting used one - it worked OK
16:34:30 <s3h> SpamapS: +1, same here
16:34:35 <SpamapS> But it did "work" and I felt that I was able to chime in a bit.
16:34:41 <s3h> the delay makes it unusable if you're goign to be really involved
16:34:53 <SpamapS> rbasak: thats the catch IRL too ;)
16:34:54 <s3h> fine for just following along half-heartedly
16:35:02 <rbasak> The good thing about G+ is that someone managing things can identify who is causing an audio issue and remote mute him.
16:35:12 <s3h> good conf lines can do that too :)
16:35:22 <rbasak> The catch is that this needs someone to manage things.
16:35:31 <zul> asterisk
16:35:32 <s3h> i seriously didn't know about the sip lines.  we should try those for next time
16:35:48 <s3h> or yeah, asterisk to Daviey's server
16:35:50 <SpamapS> anyway, remote participation is probably worth improving, but all in all, it worked fine and etherpad especially made it easy to keep track of session notes in multiple rooms
16:35:58 <s3h> +1 for etherpad
16:36:24 <jamespage> just remember to save your notes....
16:36:32 <s3h> oh yeah - by when?
16:36:42 * jamespage shrugs
16:36:44 <s3h> "before that storm rolling in"
16:36:47 <jamespage> not sure but the sooner the better
16:36:56 <s3h> i would, but this meeting wont' end :)
16:37:00 <jamespage> lol
16:37:03 <zul> i think there was an email about uds feedback that you can do :)
16:37:18 <zul> so anything else so i can end the meeting for s3h?
16:37:33 <zul> if not
16:37:40 <zul> same time next week
16:37:44 <zul> #endmeeting