00:01:39 #startmeeting 00:01:39 Meeting started Wed Apr 11 00:01:39 2012 UTC. The chair is bodhi_zazen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 00:01:39 00:01:39 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 00:01:51 [topic]Re-defining Mission and Vision statement of UBT. 00:02:01 o/ 00:02:01 Are we re-defining it again ? 00:02:04 lol 00:02:14 Apparently 00:02:53 bodhi_zazen, We should change the Vision of BT. It should not be just helping the beginners enter the community. Moreover, we should make BT as the entry point for the whole community 00:03:32 Missions should be updated like milestones to be achieved for each six months or an year 00:03:32 I am not sure the BT is going to be the entry point, team is too isolated 00:03:49 forums, LP, IRC, and askubuntu are the most common entry points 00:04:15 current mission: The Ubuntu Beginners Team exists to enhance the initial experience of new Ubuntu users and to guide existing Ubuntu users to become part of the global Ubuntu community. 00:04:18 Mission is to guide those new to contributing to the community to the various team 00:05:02 Mission should likely be "To guide existing Ubuntu users to become part of the global Ubuntu community." 00:05:22 Okay 00:05:33 The first part of the mission "to enhance the initial experience of new Ubuntu users" requires you all to be active on forums, #ubuntu, LP, and askubuntu 00:06:00 So we are just nitpicking about formulation on the wiki? 00:06:23 Not always people are in #ubuntu, as it's too noisy. Also, askubuntu is a similar interface to LP, so mainly both of them are fine 00:07:28 The BT is what you all want to make of it really 00:07:35 JoseeAntonioR: I don't see how LP and askubuntu are similar in interface 00:08:10 Forums and LP are more similar afaik 00:08:20 If you want to greet new users, to me that means active on forums, askubuntu, #ubuntu, and LP 00:08:29 the 'to enhance the initial experience of new users' i thought was more for those who like to help out in #ubuntu-beginners 00:08:29 Well, in LP (for LP Answers) and in askubuntu you ask questions, and they're answered, the question being asked and tracked 00:09:13 I do not mind #ubuntu-beginners as a support channel, but I would suggest you *try* to enhance #ubuntu if you use IRC 00:09:24 whatever if we want to get rid of it fine 00:09:26 most of the members in -team are not even watching the support channel of our team. Everyone should idle in the support channel too, so that they can help the people with issues (something which you have already solved or you can try googling) and learn 00:09:36 +1 IAmNotThatGuy 00:10:04 I think that's the main point. #ubuntu is too noisy for new users, and they can't read/understand what's told. 00:10:21 well if we reduce the mission to guiding people into the community we do not nees #u-b 00:10:38 need* 00:10:39 +1 to reducing mission statement 00:10:52 If if you don't take a step to enter and 'watch the people'/ 'you doing' help, you are failing to help achieve the BT Mission 00:10:53 We can expand it if the team desires to expand it in the future 00:10:59 Okay 00:11:41 [vote] Mission statement "To guide existing Ubuntu users to become part of the global Ubuntu community." 00:11:41 Please vote on: Mission statement "To guide existing Ubuntu users to become part of the global Ubuntu community." 00:11:41 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 00:11:43 duanedesign, We can use #u-b, where people can learn how to help. ;) 00:11:44 +1 00:11:44 +1 received from bodhi_zazen 00:11:52 +1 00:11:52 +1 received from duanedesign 00:11:53 Can anyone vote for this? 00:11:53 +1 00:11:53 +1 received from IAmNotThatGuy 00:11:58 yes benonsoftware 00:12:00 benonsoftware, aye 00:12:05 +1 00:12:05 +1 received from benonsoftware 00:12:12 +1 00:12:12 +1 received from JoseeAntonioR 00:12:12 +0 00:12:12 +0 received from MrChrisDruif 00:12:20 any other votes ? 00:12:21 benonsoftware, remember, our team is open to everyone ;) 00:12:32 [endvote] 00:12:32 Voting ended on: Mission statement "To guide existing Ubuntu users to become part of the global Ubuntu community." 00:12:32 Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 00:12:32 Motion carried 00:12:55 [topic]Final decision about the Team and Focus Groups' Structure . 00:13:03 Are any of the FG active ? 00:13:14 I think we should get rid of the FG 00:13:15 Not that I've seen 00:13:17 Ummm, well, why not give a shot with the vision statement bodhi_zazen ? :] 00:13:24 Not that I'm aware of 00:13:36 Anyone think we need them ? 00:13:45 We do not really need the structure, whatever it is, that the FG gives 00:14:10 We can still guide people to the appropriate places in the community without the burden of maintaining the FG 00:14:10 if we are planning to update the vision asn "an entry point to the community" we will need FGs 00:14:17 * benonsoftware has mixed opinions about that 00:14:18 [vote]abolilsh focus groups and work as a team in #ubuntu-beginners-team 00:14:18 Please vote on: abolilsh focus groups and work as a team in #ubuntu-beginners-team 00:14:18 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 00:14:19 I have an idea for the FG 00:14:35 +1 00:14:35 +1 received from duanedesign 00:14:41 +1 00:14:41 +1 received from JoseeAntonioR 00:14:47 I think FG should start with a group of contributing members, not an idea 00:14:53 +0 00:14:53 +0 received from benonsoftware 00:14:53 It was from back in the hay days that they needed some extra structure 00:14:54 We can abolish FG, but we can still be divided in specialities 00:14:55 -1 00:14:55 -1 received from IAmNotThatGuy 00:15:00 If you have an idea, present it in -team and build support 00:15:02 +1 00:15:02 +1 received from bodhi_zazen 00:15:25 However, we can set a base line to teach people with the help of the FGs :[ 00:15:28 If the team is so active so as to be disruptive to activity in -team, then, and only then, make a FG 00:15:38 any more votes 00:15:49 +0 00:15:49 +0 received from MrChrisDruif 00:15:51 Okay. As you say bodhi_zazen 00:15:52 [endvote] 00:15:52 Voting ended on: abolilsh focus groups and work as a team in #ubuntu-beginners-team 00:15:52 Votes for:3 Votes against:1 Abstentions:2 00:15:52 Motion carried 00:16:01 I think instead of funneling people into FG we move them into Documentation Team, MOTU, Bug Control etc 00:16:12 IAmNotThatGuy: FG need to be a lot more active 00:16:16 Yes, and we should still be 'divided' if that's the correct word in specialities 00:16:18 +1 duanedesign 00:16:38 I can't keep up on my phone, I'll leave you guys to it. 00:16:42 [topic]Task assignment to people 00:16:48 duanedesign, Is there any mentoring peocess going on in each teams or the people are directly put into contribution and self-learned ? 00:16:58 I am not really into assigning tasks 00:17:27 either the team is willing to step up and accomplish / contribute or it should be abolished 00:17:49 i think what we can do is say to the user. If you want to do bugs go to ubuntu-bugs. Then the BT member will be in that channel as well to continue to help the user 00:17:53 IAmNotThatGuy: ^ 00:18:03 +1 duanedesign 00:18:39 Right, or find another BT member that can "take over" in the sitting in with. (For example, I'd not do much good in a programming channel) 00:18:41 When the time comes could I please quickly say something about the team wiki? 00:18:58 Okay. I thought of making a proper channel of learning process through BT ;D If e get enough active members, I will put for this idea again ;] 00:19:04 any more comments about assignments ? 00:19:13 wiki is the big one 00:19:21 [topic]wiki 00:19:21 it needs a big update 00:19:38 +1 00:19:44 i will be happy to work on this on the weekend 00:19:46 +1 00:19:58 I was working on the FG pages. Now I have to stop it, remove and update the main wiki pages :] 00:20:04 I'm happy to work on it when I have the time (should be most of the week) 00:20:09 How about if we ask the team as the next task to update the wiki 00:20:15 everyone can contribute 00:20:21 aye 00:20:23 use -team for discussion if needed 00:20:37 got to start small, with something you can accomplish 00:20:38 IAmNotThatGuy: you can just unlink the pages 00:20:43 build on success 00:20:57 duanedesign, okay 00:20:58 IAmNotThatGuy: keep them in case they are ever needed again 00:21:00 you can also mark pages for deletion 00:21:17 or that :) 00:21:39 benonsoftware: did you want to say something? 00:21:57 Well, what should we do with the old FG pages? 00:22:27 i say for know just remove links to them 00:22:34 Ask anyone even remotely interested in the FG to update the page 00:22:47 okay 00:22:49 If it is not updated within a month -> mark for deletion 00:23:52 you all as a team need to set some mutually agreeable goals and work together to achieve them, or there is no real team 00:23:54 start small 00:24:02 +1 00:24:03 discuss it among yourselves 00:24:09 on -team 00:24:12 build on success 00:24:27 anyone have anything else? 00:24:32 thanks bodhi_zazen 00:24:37 [topic]open floor 00:25:10 Next meeting on the 9th of May? 00:25:15 And what about Mentorship? Is it also going to be abolished, or it's going to remain open? 00:25:18 Is there anyone with any other topics to discuss ? 00:25:30 benonsoftware, yes 00:25:40 JoseeAntonioR: I like all these ideas, if you want to do mentorship => wiki page please 00:25:46 and build support on -team 00:25:57 I honestly do not think we need meetings 00:26:12 most all of this can be done on -team and a set of wiki pages 00:26:38 JoseeAntonioR: currently we do not have a mentorship. Membership in the team is open. 00:27:11 JoseeAntonioR: though we could do both i guess. Have an open team and have mentorshps if someone wanted the extra support joining the community 00:27:23 We sort of need the team to build on small accomplishments, then aim for the stars 00:27:57 Then, let's see if someone points to the channel for this, in the case this doesn't happens then it's out of the line. 00:28:21 JoseeAntonioR: I am not following you on that 00:29:08 You all have good ideas, but the perception I have is that we need to turn that energy into action 00:30:01 If not, then it'll stay as idle as it's now 00:30:02 yep 00:30:15 Exactly 00:30:19 true 00:30:23 the BT has great potential 00:30:45 convert the potential into action 00:30:49 start small 00:30:59 which is why the mission statement has contracted 00:31:19 Step by step. We're on the first one, which is setting our goals 00:31:22 Everyone wants to support beginners, on #ubuntu-beginners or elsewhere 00:31:23 okies 00:31:30 but we need to translate that into action 00:32:13 Any other comments ? 00:32:24 i think reducing the team structure back to the very basics will hopefully help. 00:32:25 I HIGHLY suggest ongoing discussions in -team 00:32:37 during the month == time for discussion 00:32:38 I think members are confused as to how things work 00:32:45 meetings = make a community decision 00:33:08 agreed. All discussion should mostly be done before the meeting 00:33:26 Some discussion is acceptable during meetings, but the majority of the discussion needs to happen between meetings 00:33:59 Example of what I see as a team effort ... 00:34:20 Let us assume IAmNotThatGuy is interested in improving IRC 00:34:38 IAmNotThatGuy: should join #ubuntu and serve as a facilitator to the channel 00:35:21 http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml 00:35:39 http://freenode.net/catalysts.shtml 00:35:58 IAmNotThatGuy: then can guide people interested in IRC to participate in IRC 00:36:12 Gotcha 00:36:15 If the channel is too big, people get overwhelmed , use #ubuntu-beginners 00:36:24 fine, very valid point 00:36:31 who now will help ? 00:36:44 Say JoseeAntonioR is interested in wiki 00:36:53 the $65,000 question 00:36:58 Join wiki team and facilitate new users on wiki 00:37:08 Who is willing to help JoseeAntonioR ? 00:37:15 and on 00:37:21 build a team 00:37:27 build community relations 00:37:41 duanedesign, why not a 1 billion dollar? ;] 00:37:52 high roller 00:37:55 :) 00:38:01 It's basically a group/team work. If anyone helps, we will make big, enormous things. 00:38:09 team means you all work together and support eachother 00:38:11 +1 00:38:17 _100 00:38:21 err +100* 00:38:40 start small, build on success 00:39:17 sure :] 00:39:30 * benonsoftware looks at scroll back :/ 00:40:14 And because you want to do IRC support doesn't really mean you have to be in #ubuntu, #ubuntu-beginners at least, and add whatever DE you also use (#lubuntu or #xubuntu), I personally can't help with 1 Unity question as I've never used it, but I can help with the others. 00:40:32 But don't just do it in #ubuntu-beginners 00:40:59 Plus, use google if you don;t know =] 00:41:00 +1 Unit193 00:41:17 I agree with that, too. 00:41:23 thank you everyone who attended 00:42:01 * duanedesign is going to watch the rest of NCIS :) i will be in -team if anyone needs me 00:42:09 bye duanedesign 00:42:22 See ya duanedesign 00:42:31 Anymore questions or topics to discuss before ending the meeting? 00:43:19 IAmNotThatGuy: But, quality, not quantity. 00:43:21 I am going to have to leave as well 00:43:37 bodhi_zazen, #endmeeting :] 00:43:38 I suggest we move the discussion to -team 00:43:43 #endmeeting