#title #ubuntu-meeting: Community Council meeting, agenda available at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda Meeting started by Gwaihir at 17:01:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-15-17.01.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Community Council meeting, Agenda available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda *America Regional Membership Board meet-up (Gwaihir, 17:04:41) *Reply to the Loco Council (Gwaihir, 17:23:58) ''ACTION:'' CC needs to review the the LoCo approval wiki page and provide an answer to the LC (Gwaihir, 17:26:56) *Review merge proposal to the CoC (Gwaihir, 17:30:08) ''LINK:'' https://code.launchpad.net/~akgraner/ubuntu-codeofconduct/proposedv2coc/+merge/97139 (dholbach, 17:30:16) ''ACTION:'' CC review merge proposal of the new CoC → https://code.launchpad.net/~akgraner/ubuntu-codeofconduct/proposedv2coc/+merge/97139 (Gwaihir, 17:35:51) *Reply to RMB candidate (Gwaihir, 17:37:55) ''ACTION:'' cprofitt to reply to the RMB email (Gwaihir, 17:41:11) ''ACTION:'' pleia2 to update wiki pages and reference links (Gwaihir, 17:47:01) ''ACTION:'' Gwaihir to chair next time (Gwaihir, 17:48:22) Meeting ended at 17:49:33 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * CC needs to review the the LoCo approval wiki page and provide an answer to the LC * CC review merge proposal of the new CoC → https://code.launchpad.net/~akgraner/ubuntu-codeofconduct/proposedv2coc/+merge/97139 * cprofitt to reply to the RMB email * pleia2 to update wiki pages and reference links * Gwaihir to chair next time == Action items, by person == * cprofitt ** cprofitt to reply to the RMB email * Gwaihir ** Gwaihir to chair next time * pleia2 ** pleia2 to update wiki pages and reference links * **UNASSIGNED** ** CC needs to review the the LoCo approval wiki page and provide an answer to the LC ** CC review merge proposal of the new CoC → https://code.launchpad.net/~akgraner/ubuntu-codeofconduct/proposedv2coc/+merge/97139 == People present (lines said) == * Gwaihir (76) * pleia2 (41) * czajkowski (34) * cprofitt (29) * dholbach (27) * YokoZar (13) * Pendulum (8) * meetingology (8) * greg-g (8) * cyphermox (5) * ubottu (1) == Full Log == 17:01:01 #startmeeting Community Council meeting, agenda available at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda 17:01:01 Meeting started Thu Mar 15 17:01:01 2012 UTC. The chair is Gwaihir. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 17:01:01 17:01:01 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 17:01:19 aloha 17:01:23 * pleia2 waves 17:01:23 hello 17:01:30 #topic Community Council meeting, Agenda available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda 17:01:36 hello everyone! 17:01:37 welcome to your first meeting as a CC member, cprofitt! 17:01:47 thanks pleia2 17:01:59 thanks all for being here 17:02:13 so, today we have on the agenda the Americas Regional Board meet-up 17:02:34 who do we have here from the RMB? 17:02:57 o/ 17:03:19 ok, nobody else? 17:03:28 Pendulum: ?? 17:03:39 cyphermox? 17:04:15 hiya 17:04:17 greg-g also said he'd make it, but may be a few minutes late 17:04:25 well, pleia2, floor is yours, do you have something in particular you would like to say? 17:04:25 Well, greetings pleia2 ;) 17:04:41 #subtopic America Regional Membership Board meet-up 17:05:11 in general I think things are going well, terms of severl of our board members expire in May so I think we're seeing some of the fatigue related to that 17:05:56 hi there 17:05:59 Has the rate of apps changed during your tour? 17:05:59 we now have a channel where members from all boards hang out, which has been super helpful in improving cohesion between the boards and recruiting volunteers from other boards as needed 17:06:22 It'd be interesting if we were getting more or fewer membership applications, for instance 17:06:29 Sorry, I'm here. 17:06:31 +1 YokoZar 17:06:43 the rate of new member apps seems about consistent, during my term 17:07:04 I've been on the board since they were created 4 years ago, if anything it's gone down some, but I think part of that is we've moved off some approvals to IRC and Forums in that time 17:07:20 and developer membership board 17:07:39 I'm there, sorry, had wifi issues 17:07:57 I've only been on for just under a year, but I'd say they've generally been consistant in that time. 17:08:00 Have you have had any issues with verifying potential members work in certain areas of the community such as askubuntu 17:08:41 cprofitt: we rely heavily upon testimonials for sections of the community or work that we may have trouble personally verifying 17:09:03 is the IRC process for membership approval an issue, or is it easy to reach quorum? 17:09:08 so we do sometimes have to ask people to come back with testimonials 17:09:22 Gwaihir: it works fine for us 17:09:33 pleia2: does your board ever not meet quorum or do ye have enough members? 17:09:37 last meeting we borrowed someone from the Asia/Oceania board 17:09:44 but that's pretty rare 17:09:48 Gwaihir: quorum does not appear to be an issue, especially now that we notify across boards via the mailing list 17:09:54 What is the biggest challenge facing the RMB in the next cycle? 17:10:08 again, with a bunch of terms expiring in May I think a couple people have kind of checked out early 17:10:34 cprofitt: I don't really see any 17:11:02 making sure it remains clear what the expectations are for membership? but that's hardly a problem right now 17:11:32 For the board itself, the only thing I can think of is transition with the new members, but I don't see that being a problem either. 17:11:33 cool to hear 17:11:38 was missing testimonials the only problem which led to asking people to reapply? 17:11:39 with my CC hat on, the Americas board is never wanting for applicants to be on the board, unlike the other two boards, so I think Americas is fortunate there 17:11:41 goog to hear pleia2 17:12:02 (I think we had something like 10 applicants for the free spots last time!) 17:12:27 nice 17:13:06 pleia2: nice to hear 17:13:20 (sorry, had to hold a fussy baby for s econd) re: verifying: I think the separate boards for IRC/Forum helps with that but for AskUbuntu, given the highly badge-centric model, it works OK, as long as there is evidence of good interaction with the wider community as well 17:13:47 I'd say missing testimonials is the most common reason for asking people to reapply, but we have also asked people to do more work or spend more time in the community, among other things. 17:14:01 +1 to what Pendulum said 17:14:03 And then there are people that we suggest should apply through a different board 17:14:03 g/ 51 17:14:07 oops 17:14:29 Pendulum: +1 17:14:42 what about people who just focus on one task and are less interest in joining LoCo teams for example? is that a concern? 17:14:44 I'd like to minimize instances of "wrong board" sorry...just makes us seem a bit bureaucratic 17:14:52 Pendulum: on those cases when they came back have they done the extra stuff that was needed or shown great collaboration with teams and gotten testimonals ? 17:15:18 How flexible has the RMB been in evaluating contributions in new areas of the community? Is there anything you can think of that can be done better in regards to incorporating new areas of community contribution? 17:15:32 dholbach: not really, we tend to recommend joining locos when they are having trouble finding a community ("I can't get testimonials because I work by myself on $thing" for instance) 17:15:45 * dholbach nods 17:15:47 YokoZar, might be an idea to have just one "board" visible to the users, but internally structured in a different way, by timezones 17:15:49 nods 17:15:56 well, we always *recommend* joining locos because they are fun :) but we only recommend it as a way to help membership in the above case 17:15:59 cprofitt: we've been pretty flixible, I'd say, but I'm biased, of course :) 17:16:08 YokoZar: in what case would you have a wrong board? 17:16:10 I personally agree - LoCos *are* great :) 17:16:13 * cprofitt nods to greg-g 17:16:46 cprofitt: we've granted membership on one or two cases based largely on AskUbuntu contributions, IIRC 17:16:47 pleia2: +1 17:16:47 czajkowski: Pendulum: And then there are people that we suggest should apply through a different board 17:17:08 I think more generally the only major hurdle in the past year regarding "new areas" is our uncertainty over whether Unity is Ubuntu, or upstream 17:17:21 but I think that was resolved in a satisfactory manner (and Unity does count) 17:17:27 YokoZar: well, we don't want to make a determination on a person who does development only, that is better taken up by the dev board 17:17:50 Upstart, Launchpad and others also fell in to the "upstream or not?" category 17:18:29 but it's not hugely about "upstream or not" it's about "ubuntu community interaction or not" 17:18:36 cyphermox: good to hear 17:18:48 czajkowski: Generally they either come back the next month with testimonials and/or cheerleaders or take a few more months to do more work. We do get the occasional person who doesn't understand and reapplies without doing anything more, but it's not common. 17:19:36 nods 17:19:36 thanks 17:19:38 pleia2: I think upstream or not may be an issue for new people coming in to the community too... it is not often easy for new folks to know that difference 17:19:41 Especially in the developer case, the question of what's Ubuntu vs what's upstream sounds like it could get quite dicey 17:20:40 * greg-g nods 17:21:01 well, everything seems to work pretty nicely here :) 17:21:28 does anybody have other questions? 17:21:43 I'm all set - I'm quite happy with what I've heard 17:21:46 nope am good thanks 17:21:52 I am good as well 17:22:01 sweet! 17:22:02 It sounds as though things are running smoothly 17:22:03 thanks all! 17:22:09 thanks :) 17:22:12 thanks to everyone taking on the RMB role!! 17:22:18 pleia2, greg-g Pendulum, thanks for being here today! 17:22:19 thanks 17:22:28 Indeed, membership is a fantastic part of Ubuntu 17:22:32 lovely chat :) 17:23:02 moving one, our agenda is quite empty, do we have any outstanding issue to discuss? 17:23:21 Gwaihir: we need to reply to the LC 17:23:27 yes, we need to review the CoC changes 17:23:29 dholbach: did you reply to the membership mail? 17:23:36 +1 czajkowski 17:23:46 ok, start with the reply to the LC 17:23:48 czajkowski, erm which? 17:23:58 #subtopic Reply to the Loco Council 17:24:31 mail is about the rewrite of the LoCo approval page 17:24:46 now, only cprofitt replied internally to the CC 17:24:58 we need to review the edited page, and provide an answer 17:25:06 I'm also good with it helped to write it and am happy with the edits in it 17:25:15 (ahhh ok, now - no, czajkowski, I didn't) 17:25:45 the only real change from the CC perspective is the recommendation being changed from 4 months to 8 months 17:26:13 * cprofitt nods 17:26:17 I think this is fine, when this was written 4 months was a much greater percentage of the life of Ubuntu 17:26:30 nods and locoteams were rather new then 17:26:35 * pleia2 nods 17:26:39 and we have more activities 17:26:41 * Gwaihir nods 17:26:42 everything else is a clean up -- and two pages will be replaced with one to avoid confusion 17:26:56 #action CC needs to review the the LoCo approval wiki page and provide an answer to the LC 17:26:56 * meetingology CC needs to review the the LoCo approval wiki page and provide an answer to the LC 17:27:15 can we do it by tomorrow? 17:27:29 I'll give my +1 now 17:27:46 I'm +1 also 17:27:52 I am also a +1 17:28:14 We have 3 members mia 17:28:18 we might want to wait a day 17:28:40 I will read it tonight and reply to the mailing list 17:28:43 * cprofitt nods 17:28:45 that is fair 17:28:50 if possible I'd like to read it first - I'm not quite sure what exactly changed and for which reason 17:28:55 but from a fast view at the page, looks good 17:29:11 I'll also do it tonight 17:29:16 and reply to the mail czajkowski mentioned 17:29:18 thanks guys 17:29:32 cool 17:29:51 sweet 17:29:52 can we move to the next topic? 17:29:57 yes 17:29:59 sure 17:30:08 #subtopic Review merge proposal to the CoC 17:30:16 https://code.launchpad.net/~akgraner/ubuntu-codeofconduct/proposedv2coc/+merge/97139 17:30:25 has anybody had the chance to look at it? 17:30:33 unfortunately, I hadn't yet 17:30:37 I did... it looked good to me. 17:30:50 Amber's revision had a change missing which Matt Z put in some time ago, so I added that in my own branch 17:30:56 looks fine, although it's a bit long. 17:31:02 ahh shall review that 17:31:08 didnt see it missing thanks dholbach 17:31:24 czajkowski, yeah, it is a bit long now 17:31:37 in the merge proposal I added links to wdiffs, so you can see which words changed as opposed to seeing line changes (if that's helpful) 17:31:41 wondering if people will really read it all... 17:31:52 I do think that's a bit of an issue as for starters the CoC isn't translated and I for one would love to see this happen somewhere 17:31:58 even on a wiki page so people could reference it 17:32:08 dholbach, has a branch for that I think 17:32:08 * czajkowski hugs dholbach 17:32:15 but on the other hand many won't have to read the LCoC in their first days yet, but now that it exists 17:32:21 at one UDS we were talking with david about that 17:32:31 Gwaihir, yes, but dpm and I never finished it I think 17:32:39 I can't remember what exactly the issue was with it though 17:32:42 Honestly I feel like I might still be able to cull it for wordiness 17:32:52 dholbach, do not remember either 17:32:55 maybe we should first concern ourselves with getting 2.0 out, then do the i18n bits :) 17:33:00 might take a look for this UDS 17:33:08 when I write essays I come back to them 4 or 5 times over the course of many weeks and still find things to shorten them 17:33:09 yeah, better 17:33:26 YokoZar, if you could add a few ideas to the merge proposal that'd be nice 17:33:32 dholbach: aye my only conern with 2.0 is it's a tad long 17:33:36 Yeah, agreed 17:33:39 Will do dholbach 17:33:49 so I am clear this is in relation to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/392976 17:33:51 Launchpad bug 392976 in ubuntu-community "Launchpad only supports one CoC - the Ubuntu Leadership CoC is not supported." [Medium,In progress] 17:34:59 so it'd be good if we could all have a look over it again 17:35:06 (myself included :-)) 17:35:08 * cprofitt nods 17:35:18 * Gwaihir nods 17:35:35 * pleia2 nods 17:35:42 that I think is all I had to discuss 17:35:51 #action CC review merge proposal of the new CoC → https://code.launchpad.net/~akgraner/ubuntu-codeofconduct/proposedv2coc/+merge/97139 17:35:51 * meetingology CC review merge proposal of the new CoC → https://code.launchpad.net/~akgraner/ubuntu-codeofconduct/proposedv2coc/+merge/97139 17:36:19 hmmm... was there something else we need to discuss? 17:36:32 from me, just a quick additional thanks to akgraner for serving on the council, wrapping up her outstanding tasks and setting a good example by stepping down when she realized she didn't have the time for it 17:36:40 +1 17:36:41 reply to RMB candiate 17:37:01 great example of following the LCoC! 17:37:10 +1 for akgraner 17:37:11 yes, thanks alot for your work on akgraner! 17:37:18 o/ 17:37:33 czajkowski, yep 17:37:40 czajkowski: good catch, we discussed that all privately 17:37:41 Gwaihir: think that's it all tbh 17:37:55 #subtopic Reply to RMB candidate 17:38:38 I think the mailing list thread summed up our expectations well, we just need to draft a reply 17:39:10 +1 pleia2 17:39:19 * Gwaihir nods 17:39:42 who would like to write the reply? 17:39:51 at least draft it 17:40:12 I'd rather it come from a CC member who is not also a membership board member (not me :)) 17:40:36 ;) 17:40:43 I can take that on 17:40:56 awesome cprofitt 17:40:58 thanks 17:40:59 pleia2: :) 17:41:11 #action cprofitt to reply to the RMB email 17:41:11 * meetingology cprofitt to reply to the RMB email 17:42:04 if this is the last topic, and nobody would like to discuss about something else 17:42:13 all good thanks 17:42:17 I am set; thanks. 17:42:21 excellent chairing Gwaihir :) 17:42:29 we just need to take care of the bureaucratic stuff 17:42:46 thanks czajkowski 17:43:02 who is going to chair next meeting? 17:43:17 ar we gonna try this rotation again this time properly :) 17:43:33 why not :) 17:43:38 cool 17:43:42 so who's next after you 17:43:54 maybe better set up a wiki page with the rotation thing 17:44:28 by nick name, should be pleia2 17:44:30 sounds good, but with the exception of sabdfl as at uds he said he wouldn't be able to do it due to work 17:44:34 which is fine 17:44:40 yeah, np 17:44:40 Gwaihir: I can't chair 17:44:53 (this meeting is during work for me, I can get pulled away at any time) 17:45:05 pleia2, no worries 17:45:36 we get back to this one later... 17:45:44 who can update the wiki pages then? 17:46:06 I can do it 17:46:42 thanks pleia 17:47:01 #action pleia2 to update wiki pages and reference links 17:47:01 * meetingology pleia2 to update wiki pages and reference links 17:47:20 for the chair, I might to it again as well 17:47:28 s/to it/do it 17:48:04 if somebody else would like to do it at the last minute, I wouldn't block him/her :) 17:48:13 so, be it 17:48:22 #action Gwaihir to chair next time 17:48:22 * meetingology Gwaihir to chair next time 17:48:46 ok, that should be all folks 17:48:52 awesome 17:49:16 thanks everyone! 17:49:23 next meeting will be on 29th March, same time, same place as the last one :) 17:49:23 thanks all 17:49:29 thanks all! 17:49:33 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)