16:01:23 #startmeeting 16:01:23 Meeting started Mon Mar 12 16:01:23 2012 UTC. The chair is ara. 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Also, no point doing the work if it's not needed. Just something to consider. 16:10:09 maybe I should stop asking people to "run checkbox-qt" and start talking properly and say "run System Testing" 16:10:19 my mistake 16:10:20 :) 16:10:28 ara: +1 :) 16:10:55 besides, the command-line might give the impression that checkbox is not user friendly 16:11:17 ... which would be ironic for something so closely related to Ubuntu Friendly :) 16:11:26 :) 16:11:34 OK, anything else on this topic? 16:12:36 OK, let's move on 16:12:45 #topic Any Other Business? 16:13:30 o/ 16:13:36 roadmr, yes? 16:13:56 hehe :) just want to call attention to this bug 16:14:03 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkbox/+bug/951054 16:14:05 Launchpad bug 951054 in Ubuntu Translations "Most of the Checkbox UI is not translatable" [Critical,Triaged] 16:14:36 the new checkbox UI needs some work to make it translatable, and as you can see from the comments there's no clear-cut way to solve it 16:14:57 roadmr, can you give us a quick summary? 16:15:30 roadmr: does this apply to the composite jobs or is there more? 16:15:42 sure: basically the Qt frontend's strings are not imported into the pot file 16:15:56 thus they can't be translated 16:16:36 roadmr: isn't that trivial to fix? not that I would know, but there's plenty of precedent for C++ code to be translated 16:16:41 there have been a few suggestions on how to get the strings into the pot file and used by the frontend, but since most of our expertise seems to focus on Gtk apps, I notice a bit of uncertainty on how best to tackle it 16:17:02 some of the comments point to looking into how Unity or Ubuntu One do it. 16:17:29 cr3: yes, but there's also the issue of the .ui file. One option is to translate that to C++ and then pull the strings from that 16:17:39 roadmr, can you take the action item about talking to the u1 team about how they do it? 16:17:55 roadmr: sure, either I or tiago can handle that 16:18:01 er, ara ^^ 16:18:10 hehehe 16:18:29 roadmr is talking to himself again, we're fine as long as he agrees with himself 16:18:29 #action roadmr or tiagosh to talk to the U1 team to see how to handle translations 16:18:29 * meetingology roadmr or tiagosh to talk to the U1 team to see how to handle translations 16:18:35 cr3: and to answer your question, this is only about the checkbox-qt ui (new code), nothing else is affected (or at least wasn't reported as such) 16:19:39 so to sum up this topic, we need some work / help on translating the Qt UI, and since there's a bug filed about it (external, even, not by us) it should make it into Ubuntu, as long as we commit a fix before either feature or string freeze 16:19:57 OK, thanks roadmr for raising this critical issue 16:20:01 np :) 16:20:02 .. 16:20:03 Anything else? 16:20:06 roadmr: it can also be seen as a regression, so it should be FFe worthy 16:20:44 o/ 16:21:08 cr3, go ahead 16:21:29 will the comments in the frontend make it to Precise, or at least is a FFe intended to be requested? 16:21:32 .. 16:22:11 if we consider that a new feature, we might be able to sneak it as a regression too 16:22:21 cr3, I don't think it is a critical issue to request a FFe 16:22:25 * cr3 is in a sneaky mood today 16:22:36 but that's just my opinion 16:22:49 ara: it's pretty critical for the unity folks, they threatened to not use checkbox-qt because of that 16:23:21 ara: would you mind if we try to request a FFe but not hold our breath? 16:23:56 I am fine with it, but as a separate upload, to not delay the bug fixes upload in case it is not accepted 16:24:19 ara: good point! roadmr, you cool with that? 16:24:27 yes, sounds ok :) 16:24:32 that's it for me then 16:24:40 awesome! thanks :) 16:24:43 any other topics? 16:25:21 going once 16:25:31 going twice... 16:25:38 #endmeeting