20:04:47 #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting 20:04:47 Meeting started Wed Mar 7 20:04:47 2012 UTC. The chair is gilir. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 20:04:47 20:04:47 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 20:04:57 hi :) 20:05:30 hiyas 20:05:31 hi 20:05:35 hello 20:05:36 Hi 20:05:39 hi. :) 20:06:03 as usual, aganda is here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda 20:06:35 if you havea weekly report, but nothing to ssay, please ping me outsite the meeting so I can move forward 20:07:04 o/ 20:07:23 #topic gilir Review ACTIONS from the last meeting 20:07:47 The only action item is the bug about gtk theming 20:08:19 I know rafael work on it, but he is working on the correction of the theme itself for now :) 20:09:10 #topic phillw - Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team 20:10:30 hi, apart from eagerly awaiting the theme, progress is being made on the Mac stuff. If I can just a ask people to take a look at the iso tracker page ready for beta 2 release candidate rtesting :) 20:10:59 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ 20:11:38 that's all :) 20:11:54 thanks phillw :) 20:12:09 * gilir will talk about the theme in the devs report :) 20:12:49 #topic Unit193 - Weekly report - Update from IRC OP's team 20:13:16 Right, was working on something else, but there is a session coming up. 20:13:41 Rescheduled for Monday 12th, calendars etc will be sorted out. 20:14:31 Unit193, what type of session ? 20:15:04 OP session, how to deal with people and teh tech side of it. 20:15:30 ok :) 20:16:19 Unit193, anything else ? 20:16:46 Unless I'm missing something, there's only another IRC team meeting coming up. 20:17:02 ok thanks Unit193 :) 20:17:28 unless phillw have something to add, I'll skip comm and support team 20:17:53 o/ 20:18:02 yes moergaes ? 20:18:04 I'm just waiting to hear back from the team re-doing theme fior ubuntu.net 20:18:21 as to if I am to install a drupal server for them, orr 20:18:38 or they're going to liase with mario about tansferring the theme over. 20:19:31 That was what I looked for... 20:19:33 How the project is going. 20:20:41 phillw, is the theme finished and ready to use ? 20:21:10 I think they're happy with it. It needs putting to the list for comments I think. 20:21:25 * MrChrisDruif has arrived 20:22:00 phillw, yes, I think some sort of annoucement is required 20:22:22 so everyone can comment and / or approve the new theme "officialy" 20:22:56 I'll get something organised :) 20:23:28 phillw, no need to be complicated, just a mail with 1 or 2 sentences is enough I think :) 20:23:38 The theme is ready and link is provided on the mailing-list/is implemented in 12.04? 20:23:42 That's the plan :) 20:24:10 If we could get this done in March it would be great. 20:24:12 * phillw goes though logs to find the link 20:24:22 I'll try and get it done tonight! 20:24:32 thanks phillw :) 20:24:35 I guess in April we will all be busy with the new release. 20:25:12 moergaes, it sounds good, we just need to check with Mario if it's technicaly possible 20:25:19 :-) 20:25:35 phillw, anything to add for the comm team ? 20:25:57 no, the fb area seems to be happily going along. 20:26:11 :) 20:26:27 #topic gilir - Weekly report - Update from Devs teams 20:26:43 2 main topics from the devs 20:27:05 1 : many patches and bug fixes was uploaded to precise this week 20:28:02 also, it would be appreciate if people can double check if the bugs they reported in previous version of Lubuntu still apply in precise 20:28:31 cleaning the bug tracker (launchpad) shoudl be one of the top priority of the dev 20:28:58 Is there an easy way to inspect all the bugs someone has reported? 20:29:36 MrChrisDruif, on the page of the people on launchpad, you have a link for this 20:30:06 for me : https://bugs.launchpad.net/~gilir/+reportedbugs 20:30:20 Great, thanks 20:30:24 just change my nickname by yours :) 20:31:10 any comment about a test on precise on the bug is welcome :) 20:31:22 2 : work on the theme is in progress 20:31:53 I'm working with raffael, adn progress are good 20:32:02 but you have a be patient a bit more :) 20:32:38 nothing more for devs report, any questions ? 20:33:30 #topic MrChrisDruif - Weekly report - Update from Docs team 20:33:39 Yes, much to report 20:34:26 First major one is that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp has all it sub-pages moved and redirected to [help] 20:35:31 I'd like to request to send an email to the lubuntu-users mailing-list to check if I've got all the pages (more eyes can spot things one pair can't) 20:35:55 With a 5 day period to report mishaps 20:36:16 After that I'd like to redirect https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp to [help] as well 20:36:19 #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp 20:37:24 MrChrisDruif, looks like a good plan :) 20:37:58 Secondly I've updated https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/RemoveOldKernels with more useful commands and even an automated command to remove all unused kernels 20:38:02 #link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/RemoveOldKernels 20:38:30 I've put a major warning in there that it removes ALL kernels except the current one 20:39:42 And I've also updated https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall with references to the packages pages to let users know what they are getting with the different packages 20:39:44 #link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall 20:39:52 MrChrisDruif, do you test this automatic command on your own system ? :) 20:40:02 gilir; Yes 20:40:15 It worked without a flaw 20:40:30 ok, with the warning, it should be ok 20:40:37 I could explain how the command worked, but would need some time to rework it 20:40:48 o/ 20:40:59 I got it from some site, webupd8 I believe 20:41:02 michaelrawson? 20:41:09 I don't like the idea of leaving only one kernel 20:41:21 that applies to all *buntu, surely? Better as a global page? 20:42:06 I think the warnings need to be stronger with a suggestion that two kernels is safer. 20:42:10 Yorvyk; It is properly mentioned on the page that it removes all but the current and should only be used by experienced users that know what they are doing 20:42:12 Yorvyk, as long as the one you keep is tested, and work fine, I don't see it as a problem 20:42:28 michaelrawson; agreed, but currently there isn't a page for that on the wiki 20:42:29 Hmm. What happens if a user needs an older kernel in order to install drivers? 20:42:44 Or some sort of unprecedented regression issue occurs? 20:43:04 MrChrisDruif-okay by me. 20:43:41 MrChrisDruif: we can look to move it to main help-wiki area. 20:43:53 jalcine; again, it's properly mentioned on the page that it should only be used by users knowing what they are doing 20:44:08 And installing older kernels can still be done with synaptic afaik 20:44:32 phillw; that would be nice, but I think it needs some work before it can be moved 20:44:36 Alrighty, then I'm for it. 20:44:57 Well, I'm talking before loading of said kernel, like at post-Grub. 20:45:51 thanks MrChrisDruif, anything to add ? 20:46:03 +1 from me, but I really think someone should at least understand what that code does. Otherwise something could unexpectedly break... 20:46:05 jalcine; if you check that page, it'll reference to a page for people who've even removed ALL kernels with the manual way 20:46:20 This automatic command is safer if you ask me 20:46:33 Hmm. okay. 20:46:41 +1 I wrote that page when someone did that! 20:47:05 I'm not against it in principal, people just don't take warnings as seriously as they should. 20:47:06 michaelrawson; If you want, I can reverse engineer the code to prove that it is a solid command 20:47:24 Not my decision-but it might be a good idea IMO. 20:47:46 Apt should do this anyway. 20:47:57 I appreciate that it works-I just ran it, but it's kinda fiddly to debug. 20:48:20 #action MrChrisDruif Reverse engineer the command for automatic old kernel removal 20:48:20 * meetingology MrChrisDruif Reverse engineer the command for automatic old kernel removal 20:48:54 Nothing else to add from me gilir =) 20:49:17 Questions? 20:49:27 MrChrisDruif, I think Yorvyk is right, an apt command may do it without the need of a sed + dpkg 20:49:50 any kernel no necessary is marked as obsolet in synatic 20:50:08 doesn't autoremove do it? 20:50:14 so it should be possible to remove them with apt 20:50:16 I got the command from webupd8 if I remember correct, if anyone has a command with apt with the same function 20:50:32 michaelrawson: no, autoremove is not trusted with kernels :) 20:50:34 michaelrawson; linux-image is blocked from autoremove 20:50:49 michaelrawson, probably, but you need to only autoremove the kernel, not sure it's possible in a 1-line command 20:50:51 ahah, fair enough. I stand corrected. :) 20:51:07 Auto remove only works with the header files. 20:51:48 I have the apt command some where, I'll hunt it down. 20:52:02 ok, let's search for it after the meeting :) 20:52:14 Appreciated Yorvyk 20:52:18 #topic Any Other Business 20:52:34 we need to book the next meetings on the fridge :) 20:52:42 I'll be looking om Friday when I have time :) 20:52:44 +1 20:52:47 It's not on there? 20:53:05 MrChrisDruif, I check before the meeting, they was gone 20:53:18 All? 20:53:36 I see what happened, anyhow 20:53:46 What channel for the double booked ones? 20:54:11 I think -offtopic is best placed, to keep main support channel free 20:54:19 +1 20:54:41 phillw, ok let's go for it 20:55:12 any other topics ? 20:56:09 ok, let's finish th emeeting 20:56:13 thanks everyone :) 20:56:15 As always, thanks for chairing, gilir :) 20:56:21 #endmeeting